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| 08:01.16 | Juesto | Hello. |
| 08:01.35 | Juesto | How have everyone been? |
| 08:23.50 | brolin_empey | The en.wikipedia.org article on the BlackBerry Electron said that the Electron was the first use of an Intel processor by the BlackBerry brand, which I initially thought meant the Electron uses an x86 platform but it actually meant an Intel XScale ARM processor so I edited that section of the article to be clear that the Electron was the first use of an ARM processor from Intel by the BlackBerry brand. |
| 08:24.18 | Juesto | Interesting... |
| 08:31.32 | brolin_empey | en.wikipedia.org seems to say that the son of Nikolaus Otto, the eponym of the Otto engine and Otto cycle used by a spark-ignition engine, was one of the founders of BMW. |
| 08:35.16 | brolin_empey | It just occurred (spelling?) to me that, if Microsoft has reconfigured their public Web site so that it can no longer be accessed by Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP, then someone who is still using Windows XP and has IE as their default Web browser can presumably no longer access the page on the Microsoft public Web site about the end of support for Windows XP and trying to persuade the user to upgrade to a newer version of Windows. |
| 08:37.40 | Juesto | Well, it is outdated; Technology advances, there's some other browsers that are unable to access microsoft websites for instance, and IE8 also is unable to access some popular sites too, brolin_empey |
| 08:41.51 | brolin_empey | I realise that but it seems strange in a way because, if I recall correctly, the update Microsoft pushed to Windows XP users about the end of support for Windows XP in 2014 installed something that opens a page on the Microsoft public Web site, which implies that a goal of pushing this update was to have Windows XP users read this Web page, but now Windows XP users would presumably no longer be able to read said Web page unless they have a third-party/non- |
| 08:41.51 | brolin_empey | Microsoft Web browser. |
| 08:44.22 | Juesto | Because Internet Explorer 8 is Outdated technology. Microsoft moved forward like everyone else |
| 08:54.12 | brolin_empey | It seems to me that services that require HTTPS, like countries such as the PRC that censor the Internet connection of the country, make the World Wide Web not universal and not worldwide in practice because requiring HTTPS breaks forward compatibility with old client software, such as a GUI Web browser from 1994, which predates many now common Web technologies such as JavaScript and CSS and even HTML tables, that can still access current Web sites using |
| 08:54.12 | brolin_empey | HTTP when using an HTTP proxy such as http10proxy.pl from jwz. The Web was intentionally designed with both backward compatibility and forward compatibility in mind but requiring HTTPS seems to break forward compatibility. |
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| 09:01.40 | brolin_empey | By comparison, a Nokia 1011 from 1992 can still function on a 900-MHz GSM network in 2019 if you are still able to power the computer and a push-button wired POTS corded telephone from 1980 with an acoustic bell instead of an electronic tone generator, which uses electronics but is not a computer, can still function on the PSTN in 2019. |
| 09:04.36 | brolin_empey | I meant that the POTS telephone from 1980 uses electronics but is not a computer. Word order is annoying when writing long sentences in English, especially when editing the sentence after initially writing it. |
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| 09:08.59 | Halftux | Vajb: purple-protocol-telegram 1.4.1-1 is broken? What does not work exactly is it only this server.tglpub file? |
| 09:10.28 | brolin_empey | I guess requiring HTTPS is analogous to requiring tone dialing and the HTTP user agents that lack HTTPS support are analogous to the telephones that only support pulse dialing although apparently an adapter that converts the pulse dialing to tone dialing was commercially available. |
| 09:11.43 | brolin_empey | I guess CDMA2000 equipment in Canada is now becoming electronic waste. |
| 09:13.14 | sicelo | Vajb: Halftux - it seems to be working for me |
| 09:14.37 | sicelo | yes it's working. i can write messages and receive |
| 09:15.48 | Halftux | hmm ok maybe some other function like encryption does not work? |
| 09:16.43 | sicelo | secret chat? |
| 09:17.06 | Halftux | yes |
| 09:17.48 | Halftux | it is the public key |
| 09:18.03 | sicelo | just tried to initiate one with my sister. i'm able to send her. will see if she replies |
| 10:02.38 | sicelo | Halftux: interesting .. she receives my texts, but i don't see her replies. when i write her again, it shows her that i've read her messages, but nothing shows in pidgin |
| 10:06.50 | Halftux | sicelo: ok I see |
| 10:07.29 | brolin_empey | sicelo: That happens with the messenger.com Web version of Facebook Messenger too when the software malfunctions. The client state of the application becomes outdated and inconsistent with the server state until the page is manually reloaded in the Web browser. |
| 10:10.05 | brolin_empey | Speaking of Web browsers, I have new email from Vivaldi Technologies saying that Vivaldi Beta for Android is released. |
| 10:17.11 | brolin_empey | Juesto: You can argue that HTTP cookies are outdated technology because the problem for which they were originally created to solve can now be solved without using HTTP cookies. |
| 10:27.14 | brolin_empey | Or maybe even that the ARM architecture is outdated technology because modern x86 processors use RISC too. ;-) |
| 10:28.40 | brolin_empey | Well, not outdated but maybe less necessary now. |
| 10:30.17 | brolin_empey | That is one of those words that I seem to have never learned to correctly spell without using a spell checker. |
| 10:35.09 | Halftux | purple-protocol-telegram doesn't use server.tglpub anymore see: https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple/commit/53c92303a274f08bd608abdc9ba0b23b9fde15be |
| 10:36.14 | Halftux | sicelo: thx for testing there is a new version 1.4.2 maybe I will pack it in the evening but don't know if it will fixes this issue |
| 10:49.56 | sicelo | sure. ping me when it's ready for testing |
| 10:53.57 | Vajb | Halftux: yes. It whines about that missing file and refuses to log in to network |
| 11:16.58 | Halftux | Vajb: are you sure the package installed correct? Because this file is not needed anymore. |
| 11:18.18 | Halftux | sicelo: do you have in "/etc/telegram-purple/" this "server.tglpub" |
| 11:28.19 | sicelo | nop |
| 11:28.34 | sicelo | that directory is empty |
| 11:28.36 | Vajb | Halftux: I installed via ham and reinstalled via apt. No difference |
| 11:29.31 | Vajb | for me the directory is empty too |
| 11:30.22 | sicelo | Vajb: so you cannot talk to anyone with telegram? |
| 11:31.24 | Vajb | sicelo: I can't sign in even |
| 11:31.46 | sicelo | odd |
| 11:32.07 | Vajb | annoying too |
| 11:33.45 | sicelo | network problems perhaps? telegram seems to maintain reasonably good backward compatibility. even the old telegram-cli is still working on n900. just tested |
| 11:34.38 | Vajb | well, irc and facebook chat are working properly + I can brovse internet |
| 11:34.48 | Vajb | browse* |
| 11:37.51 | Vajb | did you just update telegram plugin and it worked? |
| 11:38.59 | sicelo | was there an updated? |
| 11:39.34 | sicelo | i've had this 1.4.1-1 for a long time, and yes, it worked first try |
| 11:39.57 | Vajb | ham showed me that update |
| 11:40.19 | sicelo | where do you get the message about server.tglpub? |
| 11:41.08 | Vajb | pidgin pops it when I try to sign in |
| 11:43.03 | sicelo | maybe remove any old configs for the telegram account and start it all over |
| 11:44.10 | Vajb | maybe. Was there some password thing or it just sends me sms for confirmation? I forgot... |
| 11:44.44 | sicelo | should send sms, or if you have the account signed into elsewhere, it will send a message to that other instance |
| 11:45.38 | Vajb | ok. Probably I can't test this 'till tomorrow |
| 12:12.22 | Vajb | no difference |
| 12:12.53 | Vajb | I removed telegram plugin and deleted all the folders related to it |
| 12:13.18 | Vajb | restarted pidgin and made sure telegram is gone |
| 12:14.27 | Vajb | installed it and as soon as I set up account it pops out message about missing .tglpub file |
| 12:16.50 | Vajb | I guess that's all I can do |
| 12:21.16 | sicelo | try installing the deb from tmo .. maybe the problme is with the version in repos? dunno |
| 12:21.45 | sicelo | but i've also removed my telegram account entirely, and was able to re-add it without any issue |
| 12:22.55 | Vajb | umm which deb? |
| 12:23.04 | Vajb | ah that file from there |
| 12:25.33 | Vajb | i purged it from apt and it says that libwebp is nolonger needed |
| 12:26.15 | Vajb | should I remove it? |
| 12:33.10 | sicelo | i wouldn't remove it. you'll need it installed anyway when yoyu reinstall telegram-purple |
| 12:35.22 | Vajb | ok |
| 12:35.43 | Vajb | i'll download the deb then |
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| 13:03.38 | brolin_empey | When I connect a Nokia brand of AC to microUSB power supply (with fixed cord with microUSB plug) to the LG G5 using a microUSB to USB Type C adapter, the screen on the G5 comes on but the G5 does not show that the battery is charging even though the battery was reported as being below 100% charged before I connected the Nokia power supply. When I connect a Samsung brand of AC to USB power supply with a full-size USB Type A socket, using a full-size USB Type |
| 13:03.38 | brolin_empey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:05.31 | sicelo | i'm interested in the the answer to that as well |
| 13:07.42 | brolin_empey | Is it that the Samsung power supply supports Qualcomm Quick Charge, which is used by the G5, but the Nokia power supply does not (and maybe even predates the Qualcomm Quick Charge standard)? |
| 13:12.39 | Vajb | can't install the deb from maemo.org |
| 13:13.01 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.35 | brolin_empey | I guess not because the cheap 12 VDC vehicle power to full-size USB Type A socket adapter I use in my car charges the G5 even though this power adapter does not support Qualcomm Quick Charge as far as I know but I use a different model of USB cable in my car so I should try using that same model of USB cable in my office with the 120 VAC to USB power supplies. |
| 13:16.45 | brolin_empey | What is this cheap power adapter I use in my car? Just a linear 12 VDC to 5 VDC power supply? Or is it actually a switching power supply? Or are these things I am listing only used for AC to DC power supplies and something else is used in DC to DC power supplies? |
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| 13:17.26 | sicelo | Vajb: install libssl1.1 from the repos |
| 13:21.01 | brolin_empey | It it just a regulator like a drive uses to reduce the 5 VDC from the power supply in an x86 computer to 3.3 VDC or lower? Is that still categorised as a linear power supply? Linear regulator? I do not know this stuff well enough to be certain even though I work in the electronics/embedded computer industry. |
| 13:26.05 | Halftux | Vajb: I think libssl1.1 is in community-devel |
| 13:28.05 | Halftux | So there is probably a problem with the old openssl deb on tmo is compiled with cssu environment |
| 13:46.41 | brolin_empey | What I said I should do does not make sense because the Nokia brand of power supply has a fixed cord so I cannot try using it with a different USB cable. The model of USB cable that I use in my car, not the same cable, though, seems to behave the same as the previous USB cable with the Samsung brand of power supply and the G5 but that does not really matter because that functioned as expected with the original cable and adapter. |
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| 14:52.24 | sicelo | "You should be able to dial a PPPoE connection from the ethernet port (or bring an alternate CE device for doing that)." ... what does CE mean in that sentence? |
| 14:54.35 | sicelo | Consumer Equipment maybe? |
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| 15:35.53 | brolin_empey | Maybe a mistyping of CPE = Customer Premises Equipment? |
| 15:43.37 | sicelo | here's a screenshot of the whole thing, https://paste.pics/783706b3cfd44b38d046a41ce368a683 |
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| 16:02.50 | Vajb | what is community-devel repo? |
| 16:03.42 | Vajb | I have all the repo's from Doc's repo script, but I don't have ssl1.1 |
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| 16:33.55 | Halftux | Vajb: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/o/openssl/ |
| 16:34.52 | Halftux | be careful with cssu-devel maybe try to install libssl1.1 with dpkg -i |
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| 17:12.01 | sixwheeledbeast | Halftux: I relocated your genwall wiki page, feel free to expand it if you wish. |
| 17:12.26 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Genwall |
| 17:31.38 | Vajb | ok, installed libssl1.1 and telegram. Same failure message when I try to enable account |
| 17:31.57 | Halftux | sixwheeledbeast: ok thx but I guess I will need my time so it will take some days |
| 17:32.00 | Vajb | gonna purge telegram once more and clean it from pidgoin |
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| 17:33.33 | sixwheeledbeast | Halftux: That's fine. If you need any help let me know. Packages can have there own page "namespace", makes it easier to find on the wiki. |
| 17:33.37 | xmn | So is this libssl1.1 an updated ssl? I missed the context. |
| 17:34.38 | xmn | Or you guys just helping Vajb get telegram working? |
| 17:35.05 | Halftux | helping for the new purple telegram |
| 17:35.24 | xmn | ah, I see. |
| 17:36.23 | Halftux | ..and it depends on the latest cssu-devel libssl |
| 17:37.42 | Vajb | it installs fine with dpkg -i, but problem persists |
| 17:37.50 | xmn | yeah, not ready to go cssu dev on my main phone. And my tester is down-ish. Still works but the magnet switch is dead. |
| 17:37.56 | Vajb | so still can't use my telegram |
| 17:38.53 | Halftux | Vajb: maybe it is some kind of fallback because something is different on your system |
| 17:39.00 | xmn | was it working fine before? |
| 17:39.20 | Vajb | it was working fine before |
| 17:39.47 | Vajb | then I fired up ham and it prompted me of update, which turned things to south |
| 17:39.52 | xmn | And you can't restore from a back up. then block the updates the messed it up? |
| 17:40.24 | xmn | I use backup-menu for stuff like this. |
| 17:40.26 | Vajb | apt-cache policy only shows one version of telegram for me |
| 17:40.48 | Halftux | Vajb: we can try to copy the missing file maybe then it works |
| 17:41.46 | xmn | Vajb you never use FAM for installing? |
| 17:42.24 | Vajb | nope, i use ham |
| 17:42.37 | Vajb | fam is said to be breaking system |
| 17:42.39 | sicelo | Vajb: pidgin -d may give you a clue ... disable all other accounts you may have in pidgin |
| 17:44.16 | xmn | Vajb, really interesting I've never really had a problem. Only use HAM for deb sometimes and cssu. Everything else FAM. But doesn't matter since this is not your concern. |
| 17:45.09 | Halftux | xmn: he is doing good it was uploaded by me to extras-devel |
| 17:45.21 | xmn | The only think I would suggest is backup-menu or something else to beable to restore your system when thing like this happen. Sadly I can't really help you more. |
| 17:46.09 | xmn | Halftux I see. I'll shut my mouth now :P, I jump into the middle of a conversation.. lol |
| 17:55.06 | Vajb | 20:53:48) prpl-telegram: trying global pubkey at /etc/telegram-purple/server.tglpub |
| 17:55.10 | Vajb | (20:53:48) prpl-telegram: trying local pubkey at /home/user/.purple/telegram-purple/server.tglpub |
| 17:55.12 | Vajb | (20:53:48) prpl-telegram: both didn't work. abort. |
| 17:55.13 | Vajb | pidgin -d |
| 17:55.49 | Vajb | removed account, removed account from .xml file. Reinstalled, but no |
| 17:57.28 | Vajb | thx for trying to help. Im off now. |
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| 17:59.55 | Halftux | Vajb: ok bb will put for you the old file to my homepage |
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| 21:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: >>a push-button wired POTS corded telephone from 1980 with an acoustic bell instead of an electronic tone generator, which uses electronics but is not a computer, can still function on the PSTN in 2019.<< afaik all PSTN analog lines anywhere (getting fewer by the day) are supposed and usually do acept even pulse dialing as found in a rotary dial PSTN phone from say 1950 |
| 21:50.18 | Juesto | hey joe |
| 21:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~FAM |
| 21:51.45 | infobot | well, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 21:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hamvsfam |
| 21:52.33 | infobot | somebody said hamvsfam was https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 |
| 21:52.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyHAM |
| 21:52.50 | infobot | hmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. |
| 21:53.25 | Juesto | Huh |
| 21:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 21:54.05 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: :) |
| 21:54.25 | xmn | wasn't aware of speedyHAM! will have a look, thx! |
| 21:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 21:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 21:54.45 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 22:06.30 | xmn | where do I find speedyHAM? |
| 22:10.43 | Juesto | xmn: It is part of CSSU as it was mentioned. |
| 22:12.43 | xmn | ah, I missed that somehow. So currently part or in an upcoming release. I'm running 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo12 testing |
| 22:16.34 | xmn | getting warmer :D, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1425997&postcount=24 |
| 22:17.46 | xmn | or am I just missing the boat, is the built in HAM in cssu speedyHAM? |
| 22:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:19.59 | xmn | ah, I see that's would be why I didn't hear about it as a separate install. |
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| 22:20.19 | xmn | Thx guys for the knowledge. |
| 22:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw, that's why we're here |
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| 22:23.57 | xmn | :) |
| 22:24.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal speedyHAM |
| 22:24.50 | infobot | "speedyham" is "30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU." |
| 22:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, speedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there |
| 22:25.46 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 22:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, speedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in ~CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there |
| 22:26.07 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 22:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 22:26.18 | infobot | from memory, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in ~CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there |
| 22:26.37 | Juesto | Hmm |
| 22:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: ? |
| 22:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't agree? |
| 22:30.01 | Juesto | oh, hey just got back so yeah, there goes my interest in maemo lol |
| 22:30.06 | Juesto | yeah, thats better actually |
| 22:32.17 | xmn | that wording does make more sense from someone who's not following all the changes. |
| 22:32.29 | Juesto | Indeed |
| 22:32.30 | xmn | "now included in ~CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there" |
| 22:32.41 | xmn | thank for that change! |
| 22:32.51 | xmn | *thanks |
| 22:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>push-button wired POTS corded telephone from 1980 with an acoustic bell instead of an electronic tone generator<< intriguing smartass idea :-D |
| 22:37.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you know infobot also known as apt, thanks to which we got all that nice "expert system" |
| 22:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks apt |
| 22:37.21 | infobot | no worries, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:37.53 | xmn | lol |
| 22:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's try some leete aptness |
| 22:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dfind dbus |
| 22:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh |
| 22:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | [10 Sep 2019 00:40:08] <infobot> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [10 Sep 2019 00:40:13] <infobot> failed. |
| 22:41.00 | xmn | haha, should have stopped while ahead ... lol |
| 22:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a command to tell apt/infobot _which_ debian release to update and search |
| 22:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never use it so... no idea about the details |
| 22:42.45 | xmn | heh, love all the useful bot stuff. Though I never use them much. |
| 22:43.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help ddesc |
| 22:43.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~query |
| 22:43.56 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 22:44.49 | xmn | lol |
| 22:46.06 | Juesto | lol |
| 22:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity I can't use ~die like other normal users ;-D She takes my word literally |
| 22:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the bot has quite some "Eliza" qualities ;-D |
| 22:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack xmn |
| 22:47.50 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing xmn |
| 22:48.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya! |
| 22:48.19 | xmn | haha, xman runs away |
| 22:48.33 | xmn | see yah |
| 23:01.09 | *** join/#maemo Halftux (~pi@i577A6D38.versanet.de) |