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| 12:25.07 | sicelo | heh, i have FF 67.0.4, yet https://www.taskrabbit.com/ says the browser is too old because they "built TaskRabbit using the latest technology. This makes TaskRabbit faster and easier to use. Unfortunately, your web browser does not support these technologies. Download one of these great browsers and you will be on your way" - the browsers offered are, of course, FF, Chrome, and IE11 |
| 12:26.17 | KotCzarny | there are user agent extensions |
| 12:26.42 | KotCzarny | unless they really use some latest technology |
| 12:27.06 | sicelo | they provide a download link for FF, which is what i'm using |
| 12:27.28 | KotCzarny | that's what they get for checking user agent and failing to accomodate for the future |
| 12:27.28 | sicelo | so sounds like just some misconfig |
| 12:27.38 | KotCzarny | check with user agent switch first |
| 12:28.23 | KotCzarny | fun fact, my old firefox 56.0.2 doesnt trigger that warning |
| 12:28.27 | sicelo | will do. otoh it was just a random site i happened upon, nothing i really need from it |
| 12:28.30 | sicelo | oh wow |
| 12:28.32 | sicelo | heh |
| 12:29.04 | KotCzarny | welcome to the internet2.0 doing 30 years old idiot things again |
| 12:30.21 | KotCzarny | it might be also their 'latest technology' got blocked by default for security reasons in some firefox release and onward |
| 12:30.55 | brolin_empey | The original Sound Blaster was introduced 30 years ago. |
| 12:32.45 | brolin_empey | Same with the Intel 80486 and Apple Macintosh SE/30 and lots of other things. |
| 12:33.14 | sicelo | does any of you know a pdf program for linux which supports forms which have formulas (like in excel)? the tax returns forms here auto-calculate some of the values for you depending on some of your entries, and most of what i've tried on linux so far can't deal with that. |
| 12:33.32 | KotCzarny | isnt there adobe reader for linux? |
| 12:33.56 | KotCzarny | or libreoffice with pdf plugin maybe |
| 12:34.47 | sicelo | i've heard about adobe reader for linux, but have never got a chance to use it. will look for it. |
| 12:35.04 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Yes, Adobe released Acrobat Reader for GNU+Linux but the last release is still from around 2013. |
| 12:36.08 | KotCzarny | Adobe® Reader disabled its download link for Linux several years ago. Its last update for Linux was in May 2013 |
| 12:36.09 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 12:36.44 | KotCzarny | but there might be some packs available, which wouldnt be too old to run your forms |
| 12:37.19 | brolin_empey | I mean for GNU+Linux for x86. sicelo: Do you mean GNU+Linux on x86? |
| 12:38.25 | KotCzarny | you may also try pdf reader built in chrome or firefox too |
| 12:39.19 | brolin_empey | Adobe released Acrobat Reader even for MS-DOS, in around 1994. |
| 12:39.22 | sicelo | brolin_empey: yes i'm using a Thinkpad X40, so x86 |
| 12:39.42 | KotCzarny | another thing to try on the list is evince, was quite fine pdf reader |
| 12:40.39 | brolin_empey | sicelo: OK, I thought you may have meant for the N900 or some other non-x86 computer. |
| 12:40.49 | sicelo | evince couldn't do it |
| 12:41.44 | sicelo | let me check again though .. maybe things are updated now |
| 13:13.26 | sicelo | no luck with evince. been checking about libreoffice, which i had tried in the past but didn't succeed. however it might be because i didn't have libreoffice-draw installed. will see after installing it |
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| 13:36.14 | brolin_empey | sicelo: Why not install acroread instead of using third-party PDF viewers? |
| 13:40.35 | sicelo | i'll look for it |
| 14:07.06 | brolin_empey | sicelo: https://www.fosslinux.com/1776/how-to-install-adobe-acrobat-reader-in-ubuntu-and-linux-mint.htm |
| 14:10.25 | sicelo | i've just finished installing it from deb-multimedia.org repository. however, even evince is miles ahead of this version 9.5.5 from 04/26/2013. this can't do forms at all. |
| 14:11.51 | sicelo | seems i need to go back to LibreOffice, or just stick with evince/qpdfview. those can edit the form, but they don't auto-calculate the fields with formulas. |
| 14:12.10 | KotCzarny | you might also try wine+recent adobereader |
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| 14:18.11 | sicelo | libreoffice-draw has some nice features, wow. but it's not good enough for this form. i guess i'll just fill this form from dad's windows pc. most forms i need to work with are handled well in evince/qpdfviewer |
| 14:18.46 | KotCzarny | try wine, for a one time job it might be enough, even if slow |
| 14:20.00 | bencoh | wine isn't even slow tbh :) |
| 14:20.09 | bencoh | it does a pretty good job nowadays |
| 14:20.33 | sicelo | when i have more space. my 60GB SSD is almost full. only 6.6GB remaining |
| 14:20.48 | KotCzarny | bencoh, on pre-vt extensions cpus it is slow |
| 14:21.02 | bencoh | how is wine related to vt? |
| 14:21.08 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 14:21.18 | bencoh | you're referring to qemu/vbox/vmware |
| 14:21.20 | bencoh | not wine :) |
| 14:21.20 | KotCzarny | you are right, messed up that one |
| 14:22.03 | KotCzarny | sicelo: for wine+adobereader 6gb is more than enough |
| 14:22.09 | KotCzarny | it will take ~200-500MB |
| 14:23.48 | brolin_empey | Someone who uses a ThinkPad X40 or similar hardware should be used to things being slow. ;-) Or an N900 for that matter. |
| 14:24.03 | sicelo | :) |
| 14:25.35 | sicelo | yes, i'm generally quite patient when it comes to those things. i'll look at wine |
| 14:26.06 | brolin_empey | Anyway, the primary/authoritative source for acroread for GNU+Linux is ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/ . |
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| 14:37.16 | brolin_empey | sicelo: acroread 9.5.5 for GNU+Linux does support forms and seems to work with the claim form for the insurance company my company uses. I usually use a newer version of acroread on Windows but I just tried this PDF form document in acroread 9.5.5 on Debian GNU+Linux 7 for x86-32 on another computer. I can email the PDF file to you if you do not believe me. |
| 14:41.02 | sicelo | interesting. let me test other PDFs here |
| 14:47.27 | sicelo | let me uninstall what i have then, and install the one from primary link. this one really isn't working for even simple forms. it is version 9.5.5, so not sure what could be different with mine |
| 14:54.48 | brolin_empey | sicelo: What is your email address? I can email you the PDF form document I have that seems to work in acroread 9.5.5 for GNU+Linux so you can see if it works for you too. |
| 14:58.17 | sicelo | thanks brolin_empey. the one from ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/ works with my pdf file. it does auto-calculate some of the values. |
| 15:02.47 | brolin_empey | sicelo: You are welcome but I wonder how your previous version of acroread 9.5.5 can be different because acroread is closed-source. Anyway, apparently the automatic calculations in the document I was going to send you work in the PDF viewer included with Vivaldi on Windows but Firefox on Windows says âThis PDF document contains forms. The filling of form fields is not supported.â when I open this document. |
| 15:04.25 | sicelo | yes, i also get the same message on FF here on linux |
| 15:06.17 | sicelo | about acroread being closed source, that's also what i understood, and hence i was quite 'sure' that the acroread i had would be the same as the one from the link. maybe the version from deb-multimedia left out some plugins/addons |
| 15:07.51 | bencoh | funny |
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| 22:02.31 | brolin_empey | Does anyone have a copy of the en.wikipedia.org database including the User: namespace from between 2019-04-25 and 2019-07-07 inclusive? I need to recover part of my user page after it was apparently irreversibly deleted by a user who seems to have more editing privilege than understanding. |
| 22:04.37 | brolin_empey | A lesson learned from this experience is that I should keep a local copy of my user page on public wikis. |
| 22:06.59 | brolin_empey | I already checked the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. The only copy of the page it has is from 2015. |
| 22:07.10 | bencoh | ipfs maybe |
| 22:07.29 | bencoh | although I somehow doubt they'd keep old stuff |
| 22:07.36 | bencoh | but it might still be pinned somewhere |
| 22:09.47 | bencoh | https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/ |
| 22:09.52 | bencoh | dunno if they have namespace |
| 22:10.05 | bencoh | err, the user:* namespace |
| 22:10.22 | bencoh | (I somehow doubt it, but ...) |
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| 23:20.23 | brolin_empey | bencoh: Apparently they do not have the user: namespace. |