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| 09:44.27 | brolin_empey | I used my N900 again to test the composite video input of a greyscale composite video monitor from 1998 I have that may have been powered off for at least a decade until tonight: |
| 09:44.27 | brolin_empey | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YTiaAkg7UbY/XO5SF9YKapI/AAAAAAAACuU/GtMG9TdmCMAaV5z-TN9T-WlwY1nr3HXUACK8BGAs/s0/2019-05-29.jpg |
| 09:53.54 | dreamer | wow the keys on that one are properly worn out o.O |
| 09:54.11 | dreamer | what's that thing with all the dots in the icon bar? |
| 10:02.32 | brolin_empey | The keys are not worn out, only the paint (?) is worn/scraped off from my fingernails. |
| 10:02.32 | brolin_empey | It is a 24-hour binary clock (not BCD). I learned to quickly read it whilst I still used the N900 every day because I use my handheld computer as a pocket watch. |
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| 11:08.10 | sicelo | on the subject of phones capable of using external dispalys, those that support HDMI - do they also output audio via HDMI, or generally video-only? |
| 11:08.39 | KotCzarny | if pinephone goes to fruitition, it will be with audio |
| 11:08.59 | KotCzarny | cant comment on androids or samsungs |
| 11:11.26 | sicelo | nice - about pinephone |
| 11:11.56 | CcxWrk | Had two Xperias with HDMI out but both died before I had chance to try it out. (Doesn't really work with contemporary kernel anyway) |
| 11:12.46 | KotCzarny | sicelo, but i assume they go with audio |
| 11:12.50 | KotCzarny | otherwise it wouldnt make sense |
| 11:12.55 | sicelo | KotCzarny: now that you're on Android, areyou going to try porting oscp? |
| 11:13.15 | KotCzarny | sicelo, it's in the todo from the very beginning |
| 11:13.15 | sicelo | right, it makes sense for both audio & video |
| 11:13.49 | KotCzarny | but it will be quite a rewrite, so only protocol will remain the same |
| 11:14.02 | bencoh | KotCzarny: wait, you moved to android? |
| 11:14.37 | KotCzarny | bencoh, had to, i need few apps available on droid, but as i've said before, i still carry n900 as a tablet/ssh/linux/media player |
| 11:15.18 | bencoh | :) |
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| 11:16.04 | sicelo | but i think termux might cover those uses too, no? |
| 11:16.15 | KotCzarny | nah, i like n900 |
| 11:16.27 | KotCzarny | both the os and design |
| 11:16.52 | sicelo | :-) |
| 11:17.10 | KotCzarny | and ability to write/compile tools on the go |
| 11:17.14 | bencoh | :) |
| 11:17.31 | KotCzarny | that's why there is 'linux' along the uses |
| 11:18.25 | KotCzarny | maybe pinefolks could be convinced to do pinephonekb model ;) |
| 11:18.37 | KotCzarny | but i guess that depends on the success of pinephone |
| 11:19.22 | sicelo | someone was saying thee will be something done in connection with hwkbd |
| 11:19.28 | bencoh | KotCzarny: if anything, I'd rather buy a droid4 tbh |
| 11:19.39 | KotCzarny | bencoh, i like allwinner too |
| 11:19.40 | bencoh | mainline linux works there |
| 11:19.50 | KotCzarny | and i hate pvr |
| 11:20.02 | bencoh | I hate pvr as well tbh |
| 11:20.11 | bencoh | I don't use it thus far (on droid4) |
| 11:20.45 | sicelo | on the droid you're using Android then? version? |
| 11:20.54 | KotCzarny | 6.0 |
| 11:21.01 | bencoh | uh? |
| 11:21.07 | KotCzarny | got the phone for free and replaced screen for ~20usd |
| 11:21.15 | KotCzarny | asus_x007d |
| 11:21.17 | sicelo | i wanted to say, bencoh, on the droid4 |
| 11:21.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:22.00 | bencoh | devuan + patched mainline (from ~4.18) |
| 11:22.13 | KotCzarny | what wm? |
| 11:22.15 | bencoh | I don't use it as a phone thus far though |
| 11:22.17 | bencoh | wmii :] |
| 11:22.19 | sicelo | is there an LOS build for your phone KotCzarny |
| 11:22.26 | KotCzarny | is it touch friendly? |
| 11:22.32 | KotCzarny | sicelo: los? |
| 11:22.41 | bencoh | wmii is a keyboard-driven tilingwm |
| 11:22.51 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 11:22.53 | sicelo | nice @ bencoh. how is the battery consumption? |
| 11:23.00 | bencoh | you could run maemo-leste though |
| 11:23.03 | bencoh | sicelo: awful |
| 11:23.06 | KotCzarny | not without pvr |
| 11:23.27 | sicelo | KotCzarny: lineage OS (LOS) |
| 11:23.47 | bencoh | KotCzarny: well, that's the leste show stopper on droid4 yeah. one would have to either find a way to disable compositing, or bringup pvr on recent kernels |
| 11:24.28 | bencoh | sicelo: a day at most |
| 11:24.33 | KotCzarny | sicelo: nice to know about los, although for now all the needed apps work without a problem |
| 11:24.42 | KotCzarny | no need to sideload etc |
| 11:24.57 | bencoh | it's more of a pocket computer for now |
| 11:25.01 | KotCzarny | missing gps is a slight ugh |
| 11:25.41 | bencoh | talking about gps, it looks like I have a fix for the n900/maemo5 gps issues |
| 11:25.48 | bencoh | (allowing to use supl.google.com) |
| 11:26.06 | sicelo | i'm happy with that kind of functionality @ bencoh - i hope to get a droid4 sometime in the future, so it's good to hear from others |
| 11:26.34 | sicelo | seems pavel is using his droid4 as a daily driver |
| 11:26.36 | bencoh | well then as a pocket computer it's pretty nice and handy |
| 11:26.40 | bencoh | yeah |
| 11:27.05 | sicelo | bencoh: n900 - gps - i guess many of us are now all ears. :) |
| 11:27.07 | bencoh | I don't think it's stable/mature enough for that though, but ... :) |
| 11:27.28 | bencoh | n900/gps - it involves running supl-proxy |
| 11:27.47 | bencoh | I thought it didn't work at first, but as a matter of fact it might very well be working |
| 11:27.59 | KotCzarny | bencoh, maybe prepare package ? |
| 11:28.15 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I want to patch supl-proxy first to allow daemonizing |
| 11:28.18 | KotCzarny | i suspect it's something that might need perpetual support |
| 11:28.34 | bencoh | for now it exits after first connection |
| 11:28.55 | sicelo | this is good news. |
| 11:29.05 | bencoh | (meaning I run it manually everytime I want to use gps) |
| 11:29.56 | bencoh | I'm still not certain it does everything needed to get the full expected info from supl, but since I started using it I haven't had gps fix issues |
| 11:31.50 | sicelo | i would like to test this too |
| 11:32.38 | bencoh | you can already install the supl package |
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| 11:33.07 | bencoh | and setup cert as explained at https://www.tajuma.com/supl/supl-proxy-ex.html |
| 11:34.33 | bencoh | for some reason you need to create a cert for a domain with a valid-ish domain.tld form |
| 11:34.54 | bencoh | (I used a subdomain of a personal one) |
| 11:45.08 | bencoh | oh and, maemo.muarf.org is down for the moment, I'll have to run a mirror until main server gets back up |
| 11:45.59 | sicelo | thanks lots. will test it. |
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| 12:30.02 | i336 | wow, more people here than I expected :) |
| 12:30.32 | i336 | hi everyone. I seek to acquire some hens' teeth! |
| 12:30.53 | i336 | I am trying to get OS200x running in qemu-system-arm. |
| 12:31.45 | KotCzarny | masochist, eh? |
| 12:31.48 | i336 | haha |
| 12:32.04 | i336 | I'm quite happy to info-dump what I've done/tried thus far, but want to start first with a question: which would be better, here or t.m.o? |
| 12:32.23 | KotCzarny | better start with 'what are you trying to achieve' |
| 12:32.42 | i336 | I've just realized I can best explain this with screenshots |
| 12:33.11 | i336 | give me about 3 minutes... actually make that 5, I kind of need to close some tabs lol and everything's swapping |
| 12:42.58 | i336 | OK, here is the answer to "what are you trying to achieve" in 7,000 words :) https://imgur.com/a/JsqQPzr |
| 12:43.17 | i336 | TL;DR: the Garnet VM for x86 is a stupid simulator. |
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| 12:43.30 | i336 | but the ARM version... well, it's just a Linux armel binary. |
| 12:43.38 | i336 | so, if you give it Linux armel, it will run. |
| 12:43.49 | i336 | as demonstrated in the screenshots. and it's the "real" version of GVM. |
| 12:44.25 | i336 | it runs real actual ARM Palm 5.x applets and everything. |
| 12:45.45 | i336 | about... 4-5 days ago I went "...hang on a minute, surely this must work??", downloaded a debian squeeze ARM image from https://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/, and tried it. |
| 12:45.56 | i336 | it promptly crashed with "Illegal instruction" :) |
| 12:46.30 | i336 | so then I learned about armv7 and downloaded the debian wheezy image and tried to make that work... except now I wasn't using debian squeeze :/ |
| 12:47.20 | i336 | so I converted the squeeze disk image from ext3 to ext4 so it would work with the debian wheezy kernel (yes, also copying /lib/modules over), and had a working armv7 debian squeeze system |
| 12:47.28 | i336 | which boots GVM just fine! |
| 12:47.47 | i336 | ....and now to the problem: "hi I mushed a bunch of random things together" isn't maemo. |
| 12:48.18 | i336 | in the 2nd-to-last screenshot, in the Settings window, I'm about to click on "background image" |
| 12:48.41 | i336 | when I click that, it tries to talk to the hildon file manager process, fails somehow, and asplodes. |
| 12:50.00 | i336 | so, for the past ~day or two I've been scp-ing random directories and files from this random scratchbox VM I found into the debian armel environment |
| 12:50.06 | i336 | and progressively getting more and more things working |
| 12:50.24 | i336 | but unfortunately I am completely stuck at: (let me see if I still have the terminal open) |
| 12:50.34 | i336 | # maemo-invoker /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch |
| 12:51.03 | i336 | "Tidy - unable to load shader: GLSL shaders not supported" // "ClutterEGL - clutter_stage_get_configs: eglChooseConfig failed" // "ClutterEGL - clutter_stage_egl_realize: Unable to create an EGL surface" |
| 12:51.16 | i336 | and several tons of Pango - ... assertion ... failed |
| 12:51.28 | i336 | how do I opengl? :< |
| 12:53.14 | i336 | I found http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/18-N900-running-on-Mac-OS-X.html but it mentions that the version of QEMU with n900 support doesn't support SGX graphics emulation |
| 12:53.28 | i336 | I'm honestly happy to run OS2008 in an emulated N810 |
| 12:53.33 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 12:53.42 | KotCzarny | another idea would be finding n8x0 ? |
| 12:53.51 | i336 | hmmmmm |
| 12:53.56 | i336 | laughs |
| 12:54.05 | KotCzarny | and i think some people ran garnet on n900 too |
| 12:54.28 | i336 | yeah the version of GVM I "found" is "for" OS2009 |
| 12:54.44 | i336 | garnet-vm-1.0.6b-itos2009-armel.deb |
| 12:54.51 | KotCzarny | ~garnet |
| 12:54.57 | KotCzarny | ~ping |
| 12:54.57 | infobot | ~pong |
| 12:55.03 | i336 | ~gvm |
| 12:55.03 | infobot | Generic Virtual Machine for Perl. URL: http://www.sabren.com/code/gvm/ |
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| 12:55.06 | KotCzarny | ~garnetvm |
| 12:56.42 | i336 | the idea about finding an n[89][10]0^W n8x0 is an interesting one, because my actual goal is to see how semi-portable GVM can be |
| 12:56.56 | i336 | which means sandboxing whatever things it expects |
| 12:57.36 | i336 | gvm itself works; gvmlauncher is what's crashing. so on the one hand if I can get gvmlauncher running in the environment it expects (maemo inside qemu), it'll be easier to see if/how I might port everything over |
| 12:59.20 | KotCzarny | i think you can install those debs you have in n900 too |
| 13:01.33 | KotCzarny | you might get working n900 for ~20-30usd |
| 13:02.17 | KotCzarny | although in australia it might be tad more |
| 13:08.40 | i336 | something to keep in mind, yeah (both things :) ) |
| 13:08.49 | i336 | also I found the .deb online, it's floating around :D |
| 13:09.14 | KotCzarny | i suspect there is no other way to get it now, company might be defunct |
| 13:16.00 | i336 | yep, ACCESS stopped mentioning it years ago. kind of sad |
| 13:17.52 | i336 | I actually just started thinking about this about 3-4 days ago or so, surprised it was easy as it was to get it like 70% or so working (the other 30% being that there's no mouse cursor \o/, I don't have audio redirection working (probably easily fixed), the launcher (which also does hotsync) crashes, etc) |
| 13:18.39 | i336 | I think I'll do a t.m.o post and dump all the links/references I've found thus far, since the forum is better at async communication than IRC is |
| 13:18.44 | i336 | I'll post the link here in a bit |
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| 15:14.59 | sicelo | bencoh: did you have to specify the mcc, mcn, lac, and ci info, or supl.google is forgiving? |
| 15:15.35 | sicelo | (i haven't yet got around to configuring the server and certs, but reading through the documentation) |
| 15:15.52 | bencoh | supl.google isn't too forgiving, you need specify gsm 'position' |
| 15:15.57 | bencoh | +to |
| 15:18.27 | sicelo | interesting. :) |
| 15:23.22 | bencoh | that's for supl-client though |
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| 16:46.31 | sicelo | the supl-client is good though ... i just tested with the gsm details and the location it returns is good enough. must move on the the proxy now |
