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| 12:09.38 | Wikiwide | Time synchronisation is still an issue. The tiny circular battery is literally rusty, the change of the main battery results in "Set the time and date" wizard, half of the reboots. The cellular operator is off by three or four minutes, and often tells me that it's the first of January 2000 (which doesn't mesh well with my Calendar of appointments). GPS Data is off by exactly half an hour (time zone?). "Sync clock now" is a disastrous |
| 12:09.40 | Wikiwide | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.29 | Wikiwide | Sydney, GMT+10: is it 21:40 or 22:10? |
| 12:11.59 | Maxdamantus | 22:10 |
| 12:12.10 | Maxdamantus | Sat Apr 13 02:12:09 GMT 2019 |
| 12:12.15 | Maxdamantus | er |
| 12:12.34 | Wikiwide | https://www.timeanddate.com/ says 22:10. And yet GPS Data and pool.ntp.org say 21:40? |
| 12:13.19 | Maxdamantus | GPS data and NTP are independent of timezone |
| 12:14.12 | Maxdamantus | anyway, personally, I just run ntpd from my debian root rather than whatever's in maemo. |
| 12:14.14 | Wikiwide | Hmm, could it by any chance correlate with cellular provider's claimed timezone of Adelaide? |
| 12:15.29 | Maxdamantus | What timezone does `date` indicate you're using? |
| 12:16.36 | Wikiwide | And could somebody please tell Calendar to stop shifting my appointments around just because of timezone changes? Regardless of timezone currently set up on my phone, appointments are fixed in Sydney time, and should not move around at all. |
| 12:17.03 | Wikiwide | Date indicates CST |
| 12:17.29 | Wikiwide | What is CST? |
| 12:17.56 | Maxdamantus | Central Standard Time, used in the US. |
| 12:18.02 | Maxdamantus | UTC-6 |
| 12:18.52 | Maxdamantus | So what does it say the time is in CST? |
| 12:19.00 | Wikiwide | Sounds weird. Because date matches GUI where hours and minutes are concerned. And GUI says Sydney, GST+10. |
| 12:19.01 | Maxdamantus | Sat Apr 13 12:19:01 CST 2019 |
| 12:19.29 | Wikiwide | Sat Apr 13 22:18:23 CST 2019 |
| 12:19.59 | Maxdamantus | eh, nvm my date output, I think I'm using the TZ variable incorrectly. |
| 12:20.22 | Maxdamantus | try `date --utc` |
| 12:20.41 | Maxdamantus | Sat Apr 13 12:20:41 UTC 2019 |
| 12:20.56 | Maxdamantus | If your clock is set correctly, regardless of timezone, it should have that output. |
| 12:21.03 | Wikiwide | I have changed /etc/timezone from Adelaide to Sydney. What should I restart to get date to see this? |
| 12:21.20 | Maxdamantus | I imagine hildon-status-menu |
| 12:21.55 | Wikiwide | No such thing as date --utc |
| 12:22.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Date and Time Setting is where the timezones are set via ui |
| 12:23.02 | sixwheeledbeast | automatically should use cell towers AFAIK |
| 12:24.00 | Wikiwide | Well, cell towers are worse than malicious - they are unpredictable in their unreliability. |
| 12:25.51 | sixwheeledbeast | My device says that Sydney is the same local time as Brizy which i don't believe is correct? this is using world clock function BTW |
| 12:26.22 | Maxdamantus | Well, they're both on the East cost. |
| 12:26.27 | Maxdamantus | s/E/e/ |
| 12:27.07 | Maxdamantus | looks like they should be the same atm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australia-states-timezones.png |
| 12:27.27 | sixwheeledbeast | Brizy ignores DST tho, whereas I believed Sydney do |
| 12:27.30 | Maxdamantus | since I suspect DST has ended for Sydney. |
| 12:27.41 | Maxdamantus | right, but DST should have ended by now, I imagine. |
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| 12:28.50 | Wikiwide | ACST is GMT+09:30 aka Adelaide. Question is, how do I get date to acknowledge that /etc/timezone is Sydney? |
| 12:32.01 | Wikiwide | World Clocks does say that GMT/UTC is 13:00. So, UTC is fine. But how do I get it to know that I am in Sydney, not Adelaide? |
| 12:32.14 | Maxdamantus | The `date` command should recognise it immediately, but given that you said "--utc" doesn't work, maybe your date command is not very good. |
| 12:32.32 | sixwheeledbeast | UTC is currently 1232 |
| 12:32.44 | Maxdamantus | I'm using some "power" version of busybox, so maybe that's why it works for me. |
| 12:34.30 | Wikiwide | Ah, yes. My head is going in circles, nearly dizzy. |
| 12:35.39 | sixwheeledbeast | After playing about my device seems to think I am in Sydney and will not change, so no idea without rebooting |
| 12:36.15 | Wikiwide | Alright. If I "Sync clock now", then I get UTC of 12:36 |
| 12:36.18 | Maxdamantus | sixwheeledbeast: what about `killall hildon-status-menu`? |
| 12:36.31 | Wikiwide | But how do I tell my device that I am in Adelaide? |
| 12:36.52 | Maxdamantus | Wikiwide: presumably through the settings GUI. |
| 12:37.11 | sixwheeledbeast | Time and Date disalbe automatic and select Adelaide |
| 12:37.32 | sixwheeledbeast | it's not h-s-m that showing the wrong place |
| 12:38.00 | Wikiwide | If I tell Time and Date that I am in Adelaide, then I get 21:37 :P |
| 12:38.04 | sixwheeledbeast | also killall isn't ideal for hildon as it don't come back up cleanly |
| 12:38.39 | Wikiwide | Aka UTC+9, where it should be UTC+09:30. Some more global re-read of timezone is needed. |
| 12:49.12 | sixwheeledbeast | Adelaide is GMT +9.30 in world clock for me |
| 12:52.23 | Wikiwide | /etc/localtime is the one behind date! Not /etc/timezone . But even though date does show 22:52 AEST correctly, GUI still shows 22:22 |
| 12:53.30 | sixwheeledbeast | So to reset I went to Date and Time disabled auto, changed the time zone to the correct one "Save". Then went back in an set update automatic which fixed the time. |
| 12:54.33 | sixwheeledbeast | Changing your timezone automatically moves the clock by the amount +/- GMT |
| 12:59.48 | Wikiwide | When I go and set automatic, I get 22:58 (correct time) in GUI, but 23:28 EST in date and 13:28 in UTC |
| 13:04.03 | Wikiwide | So, even with timezone and localtime both set to Sydney, I still see UTC at 13:32, date at 23:32 and GUI time at 23:02 |
| 13:04.34 | Wikiwide | Where Does GUI Time come from? |
| 13:05.09 | Wikiwide | It's worse than time-turners. With time-turners you at least know when you are. |
| 13:06.05 | sixwheeledbeast | utc is 1305 right now |
| 13:07.01 | Wikiwide | Sync clock now brought UTC to 13:05, date to 23:05, but GUI Time is 22:35 |
| 13:09.00 | sixwheeledbeast | I would assume one is using ntp and the other cell tower info but IDK? |
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| 13:12.01 | Wikiwide | I do not use cell tower - automatic updates of date and time are off, due to the wrecking effects they have. But somewhere might be a remaining ruin that still remembers cellular suggestion of Adelaide. |
| 13:12.29 | Wikiwide | Sync clock now uses ntp, yes. It's a once-off, not regular updates. |
| 13:13.00 | Wikiwide | I should sue cellular provider for that. |
| 13:13.51 | sixwheeledbeast | cellnet-info from extras would show you what time your operator believes it is. |
| 13:16.07 | sixwheeledbeast | GPS data would show GPS time, which has overflowed twice now since it was first implemented. |
| 13:17.04 | sixwheeledbeast | timezones are hard enough to implement without different systems having there own designs to store it.... |
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| 21:35.23 | Wikiwide | Besides /etc/timezone (?) and /etc/localtime (date), there is /home/user/.clockd.conf . But replacing Adelaide with Sydney in it, and restarting clockd, didn't seem to change anything. |
| 21:41.27 | Wikiwide | date and worldclock agree! Now, how do I smoothly restart hildon-status-menu?.. |
| 21:46.13 | Wikiwide | I don't like how osso-app-killer-rfs.sh proceeds, instead of complaining about being run not as root. |
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| 21:48.46 | Wikiwide | I did killall hildon-status-menu, in the end. |
| 21:55.17 | Maxdamantus | ime `killall hildon-status-menu` works fine |
| 21:55.53 | Maxdamantus | just have to make sure not to do it multiple times close together, since I think the system will automatically reboot if it sees the same service dying frequently or something. |
| 22:02.20 | Wikiwide | Works!!! I have to make sure to use "Sync clock now", from now on, instead of automatic update - cellular towers here are insane. |
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| 22:53.57 | Wikiwide | It's... Exhausting. Looking for a ghost. |
| 22:56.30 | Wikiwide | As in, trying to find telephone number of a person when it's not written down in Contacts. |
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