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| 03:35.57 | Vajb | my friend baked his xbox 360 in regular oven and got it working again. |
| 03:36.35 | Vajb | hmm maybe I should bake my "self-booting" N900... |
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| 05:06.24 | buZz | i've seen ppl repair a bricked PS3 with a paintstripper and alufoil |
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| 06:54.05 | sixwheeledbeast | Not good for you oven if you plan to use it for food again. Also the "paintstripper" technique is sometimes only a very temporary fix on the PS3 |
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| 09:04.23 | bbxtr | hello,I am having problems accessing talk.maemo.org with VPN on |
| 09:04.59 | sixwheeledbeast | ~unbanip |
| 09:05.00 | infobot | rumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it, or tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam |
| 09:05.16 | bbxtr | thank You |
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| 11:17.17 | KotCzarny | fun fact, devuan ascii is too old to build firefox-56.0.2 |
| 11:24.48 | inz | Blame SystemD! â oh wait |
| 11:28.11 | KotCzarny | nah, it's just that debian is old as it is |
| 11:28.12 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 11:28.22 | KotCzarny | same would happen on scratch |
| 11:28.53 | KotCzarny | s/scratch/stretch/ |
| 11:30.16 | inz | Somehow that thinko made my head sing "etch(y) and stretch(y) show" with itchy and scratchy show tune |
| 11:30.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:30.44 | KotCzarny | buster is coming, some day |
| 11:31.24 | inz | Now matter how hard adam and jamie tried to kill him |
| 11:37.21 | bencoh | "etchy and stretchy" <3 |
| 12:15.24 | pabs3 | I noticed the website is giving a 403 error, anyone else getting the same? |
| 12:15.33 | KotCzarny | which website? |
| 12:16.43 | pabs3 | maemo.org |
| 12:16.55 | KotCzarny | soa#1 |
| 12:16.58 | KotCzarny | ie. works for me |
| 12:17.28 | KotCzarny | im not logged in though |
| 12:19.40 | bencoh | works here, even when logged in |
| 12:20.29 | pabs3 | hmm |
| 12:21.21 | pabs3 | talk.maemo.org works but maemo.org prompts me to login |
| 12:21.33 | KotCzarny | try without https |
| 12:23.31 | pabs3 | huh, interesting |
| 12:37.38 | sixwheeledbeast | It's one reason people use other distros more so in a desktop environment. I suppose there is a ESR available? |
| 12:38.15 | KotCzarny | swb: context? |
| 12:40.01 | brolin_empey | Apparently the logo of LG AirDrive is very similar to the logo of MasterCard. |
| 12:41.13 | sixwheeledbeast | Common complains are most packages are very old unless you are on sid. |
| 12:41.28 | sixwheeledbeast | ESR for firefox BTW |
| 12:41.48 | brolin_empey | sunshavi: Apparently there are no Wikipedia meetups in South America, at least not on en.wikipedia.org . It only goes as far south as Mexico. |
| 12:41.54 | KotCzarny | nah, firefox esr has moved already far past 56.0.2 which i want |
| 12:42.08 | KotCzarny | compiled it without a problem on slackware |
| 12:42.15 | KotCzarny | but devuan is just too old |
| 12:42.27 | KotCzarny | at least devuan-ascii |
| 12:42.37 | sixwheeledbeast | oh. not helpful |
| 12:43.51 | KotCzarny | i wouldnt be using such old release, but 2 reasons.. 1/ alsa, 2/ lots of missing useful extensions on 57+ |
| 12:44.07 | sixwheeledbeast | I suppose having less updates provides a more stable platform is the idea which is better for upstream distros. |
| 12:44.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh pre Quantum |
| 12:44.33 | KotCzarny | they shot themselves in the foot with it in my opinion |
| 12:44.38 | sixwheeledbeast | I forgot that 57 was Quantum |
| 12:44.48 | KotCzarny | most people wouldnt even notice, because they just click the internet |
| 12:44.55 | KotCzarny | but anyone using firefox for customizability.. |
| 12:45.09 | KotCzarny | extensions in 57+ just suck |
| 12:45.52 | sixwheeledbeast | I have got used to it TBH. Seems to have reduced customisability a little but improved performance/stability greatly. |
| 12:46.16 | KotCzarny | nah, i see otherwise, it's more memory hungry |
| 12:46.51 | KotCzarny | which leads to big slowdowns at times |
| 12:47.32 | sixwheeledbeast | It seems to use little memory in the main process but other processes are a little heavier. |
| 12:47.50 | KotCzarny | and they've enabled multiprocess in background |
| 12:47.59 | KotCzarny | which results in bigger memory footprint |
| 12:48.49 | KotCzarny | i still remember pre 4.x firefox when they had a rule that installer has to fit under xxx megabytes |
| 12:49.13 | sixwheeledbeast | My only complaint is a can't find anything in preferences anymore |
| 12:49.42 | KotCzarny | that too, although once you set prefs, you dont have to do again |
| 12:53.39 | sixwheeledbeast | yep |
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| 13:06.06 | Maxdamantus | I pretty much hate the idea of extensions anyway. |
| 13:06.21 | KotCzarny | nah, they are good if done right |
| 13:06.28 | Maxdamantus | It's a fucking horrible system. |
| 13:06.41 | KotCzarny | its fucking horrible system when one-size-fits-all |
| 13:06.51 | Maxdamantus | It's just like encouraging people to run a bunch of random software on their computer. |
| 13:07.12 | KotCzarny | so, why are you modding your n900? |
| 13:07.24 | Maxdamantus | I was using basically two extensions on Chromium at work. It turned out one of them was sending all of my history to some Israeli company. |
| 13:07.50 | KotCzarny | bad extension you got burned by != all bad |
| 13:08.08 | Maxdamantus | It was a fairly legitimate looking extension. It's still very popular and is highly rated on the store. |
| 13:08.21 | Maxdamantus | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylish/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe//Aqui |
| 13:08.24 | Maxdamantus | over 4 stars |
| 13:08.36 | Maxdamantus | 1.7m users |
| 13:08.48 | Maxdamantus | but it sends all of your browsing history to the owner. |
| 13:09.32 | Maxdamantus | There's an unfucked version too, so I've just been using that instead, but it's not like the original version is removed from the store or anything. |
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| 13:10.00 | Maxdamantus | I don't want to imagine what stupid shit people are running when they're using 20 random extensions or whatever that look cool |
| 13:10.29 | KotCzarny | well, applestore/google store isnt any better in that regard |
| 13:10.36 | KotCzarny | not even starting with windoze |
| 13:10.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:11.12 | bencoh | tbh I've been staying on old firefox because of vimperrator |
| 13:11.46 | Maxdamantus | I'm pretty sure that's *FAR FAR* better, since by running applications installed through those stores, you're not giving them access to things like all of your browser usage, or access to any other application running on your system. |
| 13:12.09 | KotCzarny | firefox basically switched to chromium |
| 13:12.11 | Maxdamantus | Since applications installed on iOS/Android are properly sandboxed. |
| 13:12.24 | Maxdamantus | extensions are not sandboxed from all web content |
| 13:12.46 | Maxdamantus | but they really should be. You shouldn't be running random code that has access to everything in your web browser. |
| 13:14.40 | Maxdamantus | This basically applies to all software people run on typical desktop OSes too. |
| 13:14.47 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 13:15.02 | KotCzarny | now show me how many users create standard account in windozes |
| 13:15.25 | Maxdamantus | the only place that seems to actually address this afaik is in phone OSes, particularly iOS and Android. |
| 13:16.01 | Maxdamantus | on Linux there's supposedly Flatpak, but I haven't looked too much into that. |
| 13:16.17 | Maxdamantus | I think the macOS store might also work similarly. |
| 13:16.52 | Maxdamantus | anyway, bed. don't use extensions. |
| 13:18.10 | sixwheeledbeast | Part of quantum is that permissions are asked for before you use the plugin and any updates that require permissions changes too. |
| 13:18.16 | Maxdamantus | regarding that Stylish extensions, it's even really unclear whether or not it does it just by Googling for information on it. |
| 13:18.19 | KotCzarny | ones i use: classic theme restorer, compact menu 2, download manager tweak, google search link fix, google translator for firefox, image zoom, noscript, nuke anything, open in browser, tineye reverse image search, toggleDocumentColors, user agent overrider, view cookies, web developer |
| 13:19.01 | Maxdamantus | sixwheeledbeast: so how does an extension like Stylish work while the user gets to choose what it does? |
| 13:19.08 | KotCzarny | and honestly, i think only 1 or 2 got rewrite for 57+ |
| 13:20.06 | Maxdamantus | (also, just to be clear: I'm pretty sure Stylish still works that way; every time you load a page, it makes a request to something like `https://userstyles.org/blah/whatever?url=https:%2f%2fgoogle.com%2f` |
| 13:20.10 | sixwheeledbeast | CTR is not available but you just have to tweak or find other extentsion to do similar. Many extentsion are now complete rewrite so are not the same name or have new devs. |
| 13:20.10 | Maxdamantus | ) |
| 13:20.52 | KotCzarny | swb, yeah, but the fact people have to start from 0, means they are often limited, incomplete and/or buggy |
| 13:21.00 | Maxdamantus | also, when I looked into it, it was made by a company that intentionally collects data that way, so it's not coincidental |
| 13:21.15 | KotCzarny | i wasnt even able to find sensible 'dark page colors' type extension |
| 13:21.57 | sixwheeledbeast | the issue is the API is less flexible from what i can gather not all things are possible. but equally something that where done in extentsion before where hacky and not good for performance. |
| 13:22.24 | KotCzarny | sure, and im using firefox with all those extensions on thinkpad x40.. |
| 13:22.36 | Maxdamantus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimilarWeb |
| 13:22.56 | Maxdamantus | > SimilarWeb is a website which provides web analytics services for businesses. The company offers its customers information on their clients' and competitors' website traffic volumes; referral sources, including keyword analysis; and website "stickiness" (e.g., time on site, page views, bounce rate), among other features. |
| 13:23.34 | Maxdamantus | makes a totally useful browser extension that just happens to have the minor side effect of sending visited URLs back to its owner .. hmm, wonder why |
| 13:23.55 | sixwheeledbeast | I mean if you want to continue with FF I suppose you will have to switch to quantum at some point. |
| 13:24.26 | KotCzarny | swb, only if it gets functionality i need. otherwise i probably start looking for alternatives |
| 13:24.37 | sixwheeledbeast | All google product do similar |
| 13:25.21 | sixwheeledbeast | i am not sure which addons you are struggling to find replacements for. |
| 13:25.27 | KotCzarny | and there is really little choice, either mainline 2-3 engines, or some incomplete-specs-that-dont-render-web2x |
| 13:25.38 | KotCzarny | swb: all of the mentioned ones |
| 13:26.02 | KotCzarny | it's a list that evolved with me for many years |
| 13:27.04 | KotCzarny | i miss toggleDocumentColors the most though, if i had to rate |
| 13:27.16 | sixwheeledbeast | As i say CTR isn't going to happen you can just modify the userchrome file and use other plugins. |
| 13:27.29 | KotCzarny | the ones that are for quantum are quirky and not doing their job well |
| 13:27.58 | sixwheeledbeast | noscript is available but i switched to privacybadger/umatrix |
| 13:29.30 | KotCzarny | btw. situation is similar to extras-devel |
| 13:29.49 | sixwheeledbeast | user agent switching is possible i have that |
| 13:30.11 | KotCzarny | either you get useful software that's sometimes unsafe, or stick to old extras that's rarely updated |
| 13:31.26 | sixwheeledbeast | i also had a list that has evolved from 3.x but I found replacements for 60% and oither solutions or drop the latter 40% |
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| 14:02.36 | brolin_empey | I cannot use Firefox for my use case with a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad CPU, SATA SSD, and 8 or 16 GiB of main memory, never mind on a ThinkPad X40. |
| 14:05.22 | brolin_empey | Vivaldi still works well on my Core 2 computers, though. |
| 14:05.24 | sixwheeledbeast | quantum runs ok on my 2 core laptop and spinning disk drive. |
| 14:06.32 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: With between 40 and 50 documents open at once? |
| 14:07.42 | sixwheeledbeast | well no, you are not far off maximum resources with an email client and word processor open too. |
| 14:09.48 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: Now you know why I use Vivaldi instead of Firefox? |
| 14:10.54 | sixwheeledbeast | 50 documents is not a normal use case for your average desktop |
| 14:13.30 | brolin_empey | Many of these âdocumentsâ are actually applications with a Web front end, not normal documents. |
| 14:18.00 | brolin_empey | Incidentally: Trying to use an Android application to send an image via fax seems to be easier said than done. Scanbot claims to have this ability but this function seems to be broken. |
| 14:20.59 | brolin_empey | Also, who cares what is ânormalâ or average? |
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| 14:22.41 | brolin_empey | Also, so far me not having superuser access to the Android OS installation on my LG G5 seems to not matter in practice. |
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| 16:02.18 | sixwheeledbeast | It is not about caring more about not expecting old tech to preform as good with new ideals. I can't believe anyone 15 years aog would have enough memory to open 50 documents full stop. nor expect to have to work on 50 documents at one time. |
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| 16:26.38 | sicelo | < brolin_empey> "I cannot use Firefox for my use case ... never mind on a ThinkPad X40" - that's exactly where I'm using it. system has 1GB RAM. |
| 16:28.34 | brolin_empey | sicelo: Not relevant unless you have at least 40 documents open at once in Firefox. |
| 16:46.39 | sicelo | one thing i can't find is a way to make the default zoom be 80% instead of 100. i seem to recall it was there in older versions of FF |
| 16:47.35 | sicelo | goes on to a search engine |
| 16:48.40 | KotCzarny | you change the pixel size |
| 16:48.45 | sixwheeledbeast | just change default size ? |
| 16:48.49 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 16:48.49 | sixwheeledbeast | text size |
| 16:48.52 | KotCzarny | change the pixel size |
| 16:49.01 | KotCzarny | x40 has low resolution of 1024x768 |
| 16:49.10 | KotCzarny | it has to be done at pixel render level |
| 16:49.32 | KotCzarny | forgot exact name but it has pixel/dot/size in it |
| 16:49.42 | KotCzarny | 0.85 is fine for most pages in my case |
| 16:50.29 | sicelo | yes i think 0.85 would be good for me too. this one, perhaps? layout.css.devPixelsPerPx ? |
| 16:50.55 | sicelo | although it seems that will also affect FF's icons, etc. |
| 16:51.23 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 16:51.46 | KotCzarny | and affecting ui is a good thing too |
| 16:51.53 | KotCzarny | since it adds more screen estate |
| 16:56.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Ctrl - shortcut isn't too hard to do each time if that's all you need? |
| 16:56.59 | KotCzarny | nah, too repetitive |
| 16:57.32 | KotCzarny | and with such small screen you would be resizing most pages |
| 16:59.10 | sicelo | yeah. Ctrl+- ends up being tedious. layout.css.devPixelsPerPx seems to be working good |
| 17:00.16 | sicelo | later in the year (hopefully) i can afford something with better cpu, ram, and screen, e.g. T460 :-/ |
| 17:01.13 | KotCzarny | look for dell e6440 |
| 17:01.17 | KotCzarny | those are really nice |
| 17:01.37 | sicelo | let me check. |
| 17:03.59 | KotCzarny | grab one with intel card and i5-4300M cpu, those are kinda sweet spots |
| 17:04.14 | KotCzarny | 4310M is little bit better but also more rare |
| 17:04.31 | KotCzarny | weak point is display |
| 17:04.39 | KotCzarny | but watchable still |
| 17:04.44 | KotCzarny | and quite bright |
| 17:06.03 | sicelo | for the used prices i'm seeing (in South Africa), seems a thinkpad with 5th-7th gen core i5 is still better option |
| 17:06.18 | sicelo | but will keep checking. thanks for suggesting it |
| 17:07.55 | KotCzarny | i bought mine for ~200usd |
| 17:08.00 | KotCzarny | with 16gb of ram |
| 17:09.09 | sicelo | i'll check more sites around here. i'm not too choosy when it comes to screens |
| 17:09.59 | KotCzarny | and thinkpads usually come with U cpu |
| 17:10.07 | KotCzarny | which is nice for temps, but lower perf |
| 17:10.34 | KotCzarny | ie 1,7ghz vs 2.7ghz |
| 17:14.20 | sicelo | buying stuff on a shoestring budget can be hard :) ... all the options to weigh, etc. |
| 17:15.12 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 17:15.34 | KotCzarny | my weight landed on that e6440 being cheap, yet powerfull enough |
| 17:15.59 | sicelo | how's the trackpoint experience on it? |
| 17:19.29 | KotCzarny | too touchy |
| 17:21.36 | bencoh | can't you set sensitivity? |
| 17:22.09 | KotCzarny | \yeah, but didnt bother yet |
| 17:22.16 | KotCzarny | using it with mouse most of the time |
| 17:22.26 | KotCzarny | as it's my tf2 machine |
| 17:22.27 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 17:22.59 | bencoh | team forteress? |
| 17:23.14 | bencoh | -e |
| 17:23.58 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 18:22.44 | brolin_empey | sicelo: KotCzarny: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DPT2WK3/ref=sspa_dk_detail_7?psc=1 This fanless notebook computer looks very nice for the price but it is missing a Scroll Lock key and integrated Ethernet connectivity. |
| 18:30.53 | sicelo | i've never really had a chance to see how capable (or incapable) those processors are .. |
| 18:32.59 | KotCzarny | 1.1ghz pentium? seriously |
| 18:33.05 | KotCzarny | although probably better than atom anyway |
| 18:33.14 | KotCzarny | for 400usd you can have quite capable machine |
| 18:33.48 | KotCzarny | or chromebook, if you insist on low power |
| 18:53.44 | buZz | brolin_empey: i got a amazing lowpower fanless supermicro motherboard |
| 18:53.49 | buZz | https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/atom/A2SDi-8C-HLN4F.cfm |
| 18:54.05 | buZz | 8 core atom , ~25W total draw with 2x dimms, 1x 2.5" 3TB and 1x 500GB NVMe |
| 18:55.40 | KotCzarny | buzz: what freq on cores? |
| 18:55.53 | KotCzarny | and what's the price |
| 18:56.15 | buZz | https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97926/intel-atom-processor-c3758-16m-cache-up-to-2-20-ghz.html |
| 18:56.21 | buZz | KotCzarny: -expensive- |
| 18:56.54 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 18:57.13 | buZz | https://www.twp.nl/index.php?task=2&pid=MBD-A2SDI-8C-HLN4F-O&name=Supermicro-MBD-A2SDI-8C-HLN4F-O-mainboard |
| 18:57.20 | buZz | 420 ex tax |
| 18:57.21 | buZz | :) |
| 18:57.45 | KotCzarny | not that nice then |
| 18:57.45 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 19:00.07 | buZz | its nice in that its ~xeon performance for ~atom powerdraw |
| 19:00.07 | brolin_empey | 420 EUR? |
| 19:00.19 | buZz | 420 for motherboard + cpu yeah |
| 19:00.52 | brolin_empey | Is there a lower cost CPU that works with this motherboard? |
| 19:03.03 | brolin_empey | Yikes, XE says that 420 EUR is currently approximately 629 CAD. |
| 19:03.27 | buZz | brolin_empey: the cpu is soldered on |
| 19:03.35 | buZz | they do make 2core versions of the board though |
| 19:03.49 | buZz | https://www.twp.nl/index.php?task=2&pid=MBD-A2SDI-2C-HLN4F-O&name=Supermicro-MBD-A2SDI-2C-HLN4F-O-mainboard |
| 19:03.52 | buZz | 200 eu ex |
| 19:04.21 | buZz | 16core version is 700 eu ex |
| 19:04.25 | buZz | :) |
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