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| 02:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: sorry, apt illiterate here |
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| 08:34.03 | sixwheeledbeast | apt-cache policy tomcat7? Can see anything obvious but I normally use apt-mark hold foo over pinning. |
| 08:34.17 | sixwheeledbeast | s/Can/Can't/ |
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| 12:33.31 | Wikiwide | Very nice: https://www.tctmagazine.com/3d-printing-news/nano-dimension-technologies-successfully-prints-pcbs-dragonfly-2020/ Not particularly repairable (unless you happen to have such a 3D printer readily available), but then, replacing a chip isn't particularly easy either way. |
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| 16:17.04 | timeless | DocScrutinizer05: no worries |
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| 20:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | the adverse effects of using a highly intuitive GUI tool for software-, user-, service- management, |
| 20:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no incentive to learn the cmdline tools |
| 20:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got no idea about useradd and friends, vim, apt/rpm, systemd... |
| 20:19.36 | sixwheeledbeast | vim? |
| 20:20.05 | sixwheeledbeast | systemd makes zero sense to me anyway |
| 20:26.50 | KotCzarny | fun observation, my device lost network today,once |
| 20:27.00 | KotCzarny | after i connected it to computer via usb cable for charging |
| 20:39.07 | sicelo | mmm, so skype for web no longer supports FF |
| 20:40.11 | sicelo | not that it matters too much but, for those odd moments i needed to use skype, this helped. i'm not abou to start using chrom(ium) |
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| 21:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: vi(m), as I use true GUI "WYSIWYG" editors, like mcedit, kate, openoffice, even nano |
| 21:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemd actually makes zero sense to me too. I hardly know how to stop or start a service |
| 21:31.36 | sixwheeledbeast | I like vi, but I do admit sometimes you can't beat a GUI text editor. gedit (pluma) here, nice features like syntax highlighting help. |
| 21:33.16 | sixwheeledbeast | I agree. upstart made sense, "stop foo" "start bar". I believe systemd is "systemctl start foo" |
| 21:36.53 | sixwheeledbeast | As for making services I have no idea. Something about "units" and targets |
| 21:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that bad thing: literally every time I need a `systemctl stop foo` it takes me 15 to 30 minutes to find out about the systemd command to list the names of valid services to start/stop. and when I'm not instantly certain about the right name from mere looking at it, it takes me another 1 or 2 hours to figure which file and where to look at, to gather some details about what that service named "foo" actually does |
| 21:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no `ls -l /etc/init.d`, no `grep -r "nutmon" /etc/init.d` |
| 21:45.05 | sixwheeledbeast | "systemctl list-dependencies --all" ? like 25k lines of confusing dependency trees |
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| 21:47.26 | sixwheeledbeast | terminals aren't designed to display this type of tree data. |
| 21:49.21 | sixwheeledbeast | As for finding things in journalctl, meh. Bring back tail -f foo file |
| 21:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | 25k? 37k!!! |
| 21:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL *cry* |
| 21:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I still run syslog on my system, so fuck journalctl |
| 22:18.18 | sicelo | debian, with systemd/journalctl, still has tail -f /var/log/syslog, etc., by default |
| 23:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | suse ^^^ +1 |
| 23:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody thinks journalctl is a smart idea |
| 23:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemctl list-dependencies https://i.imgur.com/JRIu3Xv.png -- systemctl list-dependencies|less ROTFL what a crappy tool https://i.imgur.com/NzaN42z.png |
| 23:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | -r makes less at least show bullets, but still no colors |
| 23:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | -R helps |
| 23:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | however not when piping, only when systemctl calls less directly |
| 23:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/i6hJ5fS.png systemctl list-dependencies; "-R" |
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