IRC log for #maemo on 20190225

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00:26.53Wikiwidesicelo: Yes, date is wrong, somehow. As in, changing Time from "Settings->Date and time" does change date, but date stubbornly thinks that date's LWST timezone has to be half an hour ahead of "Settings->Date and time" timezone, regardless of which timezone is chosen in "Settings->Date and time"
00:27.26Wikiwidedate's LHST * timezone, not LWST - misprint
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04:30.06brolin_empeyFor me, the date command uses a 24-hour clock with AM/PM. 0_o
04:31.32brolin_empeyAre new BL-5J/BL-4J batteries still made?  I am assuming that they are still available on eBay and whatnot but are they all years old by now?
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05:17.51Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: polarcells seem to still be made.
05:18.47MaxdamantusHm, says they're sold out atm
05:19.58Maxdamantusbought two last time, one's unused.
05:25.04Maxdamantusor maybe they just don't use ebay anymore: http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_x1-00_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2092_0.htm
05:26.36MaxdamantusAh, it is on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PolarCell-Batteria-per-Nokia-C3-00-X6-00-5230-5800-XpressMusic-N900-5228-BL-5J/392245931311?hash=item5b53aded2f:g:tfUAAOSw8ihccNUB:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true
05:27.20Maxdamantus(probably easier to navigate there, and know that they deliver to your country, if you don't know German)
05:27.43MaxdamantusThey delivered to NZ, so surely they will to Australia too.
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08:00.12sixwheeledbeast~polarcell
08:00.13infobot[polarcell] BL-5J Replacement - Wannasee Electronic on Ebay or http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_n900_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2090_0.htm
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10:59.01Wikiwidelibc6 contains timezone data. Does it have any modifications between CSSU-Testing and CSSU-Devel?
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11:03.09WikiwideUnder what circumstances is upgrading kernel likely to end up with a bricked device? Keep in mind that USB port is broken.
11:04.04WikiwideNo, multiboot is not installed.
11:04.38unrestif you have no way of altering the kernel line in the bootloader and if no safe kernel is still available
11:05.08unrestidk how maemo handles kernel updates or whether it retains a "failsafe" kernel
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11:06.05KotCzarnyif you dont have uboot installed, it's written directly to nand space
11:06.27WikiwideSo, I should install uboot first?
11:06.30KotCzarnyso no, writing bad kernel will get you a brick, which requires usb to fix
11:06.42KotCzarny~uboot
11:06.42infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
11:07.12KotCzarny~multiboot
11:07.12infobotwell, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot
11:08.03WikiwideIf I already have kernel power 2.6.28.10 installed, is it safe to install uboot?
11:08.30Wikiwide~maemo-multiboot
11:08.30infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
11:08.54KotCzarnyread the thread about uboot
11:09.14KotCzarnysince you have broken usb port it will be tricky to fix if you do something wrong
11:09.24WikiwideI remember it in connection with having one device that doesn't work because of combination of multiboot, kernel upgrade and broken USB port
11:09.39KotCzarnyforget about multiboot
11:12.02WikiwideReading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613
11:12.56WikiwideHAM is the safest, regarding dependency hell. But it will not protect against empty battery...
11:15.16WikiwideIn HAM, kernel power 2.6.28.10 is the closest, but it is 53, not 52.
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11:28.00WikiwideI don't get it. I can find http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb , but I do not see anything like "u-boot-flasher for power kernel v52", yet
11:29.42KotCzarnyextras-devel. its not what you want.
11:30.44WikiwideNo idea. I just want to get system into working, consistent state where date doesn't disagree with GUI about what the timezone is.
11:31.36KotCzarnyhow is wrong timezone related to kernel in your case?
11:32.09WikiwideI know that current kernel is power v52, and ham has been nagging me for ages to upgrade to v53 or something.
11:33.10KotCzarnyv53 here
11:33.28KotCzarnyif you dont have uboot/multiboot, then i guess upgrading to v53 should just work?
11:33.33WikiwideWrong timezone might be coming from a disagreement between some libraries. I don't know. So I want to get ham's question out of the way and see that yes, with everything upgraded, date is still not consistent.
11:34.13WikiwideShould just work... At what voltage is it safe to upgrade without having nand flashing interrupted mid-way?
11:35.15KotCzarnysince you are charging your battery outside, just charge it fully?
11:35.57WikiwideOkay... Anything about free space on rootfs, homefs or MyDocs?
11:36.42sixwheeledbeastif uboot is installed it should just work with kp53
11:37.06KotCzarnyswb: does order of installing uboot and kp53 matter?
11:37.08WikiwideI have available : 44MB on /, 63MB on /home, 38MB on MyDocs.
11:37.26sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't expect so, but IDK
11:37.33WikiwideU-boot is not installed, at the moment. kp52 is installed.
11:38.21sixwheeledbeastit's a separate package kernel-power-bootimg
11:38.53sixwheeledbeastvia HAM it would be "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 and Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-Boot)"
11:40.33WikiwideI have kernel-power               1:2.6.28-10power52 , flasher and modules too. I don't have kernel-power-bootimg installed. HAM has U-Boot with kpv53.
11:43.00sixwheeledbeastAs for battery I have no idea, it's not easy to stay either because each battery is in a different state. Normally full to maybe half is recommended
11:43.35sixwheeledbeastFor any serious update/upgrade
11:44.17WikiwideSo, if I install u-boot-flasher and kernel-power-bootimg v52, it should work?
11:45.17WikiwideNay, apt-get disagrees.
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11:48.53WikiwideSo, get full battery and just upgrade everything.
11:52.52MaxdamantusDo you have a second device to experiment with?
11:53.14Maxdamantusso you don't just brick your only one by doing something you don't quite understand?
11:53.51Maxdamantus(I wouldn't claim to understand it either; I've only ever flashed over USB, not from the device)
11:53.57WikiwideNot sure. I might have one device with working USB port somewhere...
11:54.33WikiwideI am not a fan of flashing in general.
11:54.57Maxdamantus(though I know how my boot sequence works, and it involves having a u-boot that looks first on the SD card, so I can always recover using that if my USB stops working)
11:55.20MaxdamantusYeah, that's why you just install u-boot once and don't touch it again.
11:55.41WikiwideWhy cannot a device have only memory cards, instead of solder-on memory chips?
11:55.46Maxdamantussince u-boot should then look on SD/eMMC for configuration.
11:55.59sixwheeledbeastspeed
11:56.03KotCzarnyprice
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11:56.40WikiwideI have no memory card, yet. And my eMMC doesn't have much space on it...
11:56.56WikiwideSpeed is a valid argument. Price isn't.
11:57.13KotCzarnyit is when you cut costs
11:57.29KotCzarny(from manufacturer side i guess)
11:57.41KotCzarnyalso in support costs/time
11:57.45WikiwideI guess...
11:57.49KotCzarnywhen people start buying cheapest sh*t sdcards
11:57.55KotCzarnyand they die after few weeks
11:58.11sixwheeledbeastreliability ^
11:58.13WikiwideBut support costs would have been minimised by using memory card for booting
11:59.04sixwheeledbeastPlus it wasn't a common idea until RPi
11:59.22KotCzarnyswb: many allwinner tablets used sdcard for rootfs
11:59.28KotCzarnyin the A10 era
11:59.38WikiwideQuality... That's tricky. Don't factories have quality control these days?
11:59.50KotCzarnybut those were most often nonames, with no support from vendor at all
12:00.07KotCzarnywikiwide: quality control nowadays is controlled by profits
12:00.17KotCzarnyand you dont get profits if users dont buy more
12:00.26KotCzarnyie. cars breaking just after 3-4 years
12:00.28sixwheeledbeast^ QC will have tolerance
12:00.54KotCzarnyso basically its 'push it out, sell them more'
12:01.42sixwheeledbeastCertainly in a consumer market it is.
12:03.23MaxdamantusI imagine there shouldn't be an inherent reason why it should be faster.
12:03.32sixwheeledbeastI have just replaced some capacitors that where clearly fitted due to price.
12:03.54MaxdamantusIf the interface used by the eMMC chip is better, why not just sell cards with that chip?
12:04.05sixwheeledbeastTo anyone else the device was throw away it's done 6 years
12:04.17KotCzarnyprice/size
12:04.32KotCzarnyeven seen emmc on a subcard with pins?
12:04.36KotCzarnythey are bulky
12:05.00Maxdamantusas in a NAND chip?
12:05.10KotCzarnyas in emmc expansion card
12:05.11MaxdamantusI thought the eMMC chip was already kind of encapsulated.
12:05.12sixwheeledbeastSwapped Decon for Jamicon, yer not the best replacements but there are other components that will likely fail first.
12:05.32KotCzarnyMaxdamantus: but you still have to connect to the system somehow
12:05.44KotCzarnyand if you want faster interface, it needs more lines
12:06.23KotCzarnyhttps://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=209
12:06.26KotCzarnyan example
12:16.01DocScrutinizer05folks, this looks not all bad: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cosmo-communicator#/
12:16.45DocScrutinizer05though the SoC... well nowadays you have to be happy if your SoC *allows* multiboot
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