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| 03:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: really 2G-only? I was about to suggest to trys 3G-only since 3G has way less burst currents torturing battery |
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| 04:18.03 | Vajb | I locked my device to 3g only, but it didn't help. |
| 04:19.37 | Vajb | does anyone have a solution for my backupmenu issue? |
| 04:23.21 | Vajb | would copying all the files over ssh from device to another device achieve the same thing as normal backup? |
| 04:26.15 | Vajb | I guess all the file could not be overwritten on a running system. |
| 04:26.20 | Vajb | files* |
| 04:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ that |
| 04:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see why BM doesn't install |
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| 04:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a clean PR1.3 or 4 flash of rootfs, then fix the repos, then one-click install BM |
| 04:31.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: please copy (or take a picture) the detailed error messages of HAM |
| 04:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and provide them |
| 04:51.25 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: backupmenu installs and my phone boots in the boot menu provided. I can chhose to boot to maemo kernel, bootmenu or power off. If I choose bootmenu, my phone tries to load something and reboots. |
| 04:53.18 | Vajb | if I try with my other phone it shows what it loads and backupmenu works as expected. While other phone just shows booting () and staring (). It is like it doesn't have info where to boot and what |
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| 06:21.57 | sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: the problem is only on 3G, sadly. on 2G, it's rock stable - it has been connected for almost 2 days now |
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| 06:31.36 | KotCzarny | interestingly i have my network set to 3g too |
| 06:31.41 | KotCzarny | maybe i should try 2g |
| 06:35.04 | Maxdamantus | fwiw, my connection normally goes away on 3G, but my operator doesn't have 2G anymore. |
| 06:35.33 | KotCzarny | could it be some 3g feature that bugs the modem? |
| 06:35.55 | Maxdamantus | goes away as in after 10 seconds or so of not sending things over the network, something seems to disconnect, so it won't be able to send things after that. |
| 06:36.09 | Maxdamantus | but other cellular activity consistently wakes it back up. |
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| 06:36.42 | Maxdamantus | I sometimes send an SMS to myself to wake it up again. |
| 06:37.02 | Maxdamantus | or if I'm reading through some stuff on IRC, I'll normally hold backspace to make sure I'm constantly sending something. |
| 06:37.42 | Maxdamantus | or I'll just start pinging 8.8.8.8 in another window, but I try to avoid that since I sometimes forget until it's wasted a bunch of battery energy pinging. |
| 06:38.05 | Maxdamantus | it seems to also correlate with the "3.5" icon. |
| 06:38.34 | Maxdamantus | in general, 3.5 = internet works, 3 = internet is stuck |
| 06:38.39 | KotCzarny | i very rarely use data connectivity, so must be something else |
| 06:39.07 | KotCzarny | some 'bad packet/command -> modem hung' |
| 06:39.26 | KotCzarny | or just power surge as doc suggests |
| 06:39.45 | KotCzarny | gonna stay on 2g for a week and see if i get any hung cellular |
| 06:40.33 | KotCzarny | funny as it is im on 2.5g even without data enabled |
| 06:47.55 | Vajb | never seen 2.5g |
| 06:48.07 | KotCzarny | 2.5g is edge |
| 06:48.13 | KotCzarny | 2g is gprs |
| 06:48.41 | KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G#Evolution |
| 06:48.58 | KotCzarny | erm or not |
| 06:49.04 | sicelo | Maxdamantus: as you may remember, i used to have that too, but it has gotten a bit better now. it's still there, but no longer as bad. tbh - it quite obvious the operator must share part of the blame, if not the most |
| 06:50.02 | Maxdamantus | sicelo: hm, but it only seems to affect network. |
| 06:50.25 | Maxdamantus | sicelo: any anything else will wake something up so that the network actually works. |
| 06:50.42 | sicelo | it is not power surge afaict - even when connected to charger it's there. plus, same battery setup has zero issues with the other operator |
| 06:50.53 | sicelo | Maxdamantus: yes. |
| 06:51.07 | Maxdamantus | sicelo: so my presumption is that there's some sort of ping or something missing from maemo to make sure that the modem is usable when you happen to be using the network. |
| 06:51.15 | KotCzarny | i wonder if old battery could affect it even on charger |
| 06:51.35 | sicelo | Maxdamantus: exactly that. i wonder what you will find if you were to try a different operator :) |
| 06:52.06 | sicelo | KotCzarny: and how does that premise explain the fact tha there are zero problems on 3G with the other operator? |
| 06:53.26 | KotCzarny | different part of modem pressed by battery bulge? |
| 06:53.51 | sicelo | when on different operator? :) |
| 06:53.53 | KotCzarny | but it could be a compund effect |
| 06:54.08 | KotCzarny | we all could observe different bugs combo |
| 06:54.31 | sicelo | fwiw, no bulge on battery - in fact, it is not old. bme-replacement sees 1293mAh |
| 06:54.50 | KotCzarny | mine sees ~1230, yet its not as flat as new |
| 06:55.15 | sicelo | right |
| 06:58.16 | Maxdamantus | sicelo: something that I think would be useful to try would be just using ofono instead of csd. |
| 07:01.08 | sicelo | yes, that's an idea. i don't know to to do that one fremantle though. i've wanted to setup uboot on this device to check ofono on Leste. i should do that sometime. it's just - other operator works well, so i just switched ... it's only in the last week that i used the 'troublesome' one again, but will switch back today (when my data package is depleted) |
| 07:01.12 | Maxdamantus | also, when this happens to me, I get these messages: https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/a5c4ecb48dc5d61665b5c09b042db892 |
| 07:01.35 | Maxdamantus | Feb 19 19:52:32 orcus daemon.notice cellular: csd[858]: ISI_SMS .126047> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0 |
| 07:01.38 | Maxdamantus | Feb 19 19:52:32 orcus daemon.notice cellular: csd[858]: ISI_SMS .126352> set_timeout(): Timeout 3547 s event type:-1 |
| 07:01.56 | Maxdamantus | then the messages after that are me sending an SMS to myself. |
| 07:02.07 | Maxdamantus | and when I did that, the pings started working. |
| 07:02.37 | sicelo | i get those too |
| 07:02.49 | Maxdamantus | Wonder if there's some sort of cellular ping functionality that I can make csd perform. |
| 07:03.16 | Maxdamantus | because if sending an SMS wakes it up, surely there'll be other things the modem can do to wake it up. |
| 07:04.26 | KotCzarny | maxd, ping -s8 8.8.8.8 ;) |
| 07:04.58 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: yes, that would obviously help, but it also wastes the battery. |
| 07:05.12 | sicelo | Maxdamantus: although you should find that those messages are always there, even if your connection was working fine |
| 07:05.33 | KotCzarny | maxd: but sending sms switches modem from data to gsm mode |
| 07:05.44 | KotCzarny | that could be a hint? |
| 07:06.18 | KotCzarny | and switching back to data relogins modem on network? |
| 07:06.59 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: maybe. |
| 07:09.37 | Maxdamantus | sicelo: gonna leave it pinging for a while and will see if I get those messages still. |
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| 08:01.52 | ontime | so maybe switch it to 2g by: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.set_selected_radio_access_technology byte:1 |
| 08:02.07 | ontime | and to 3g by: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.set_selected_radio_access_technology byte:2 |
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| 09:04.50 | Maxdamantus | Been pinging for almost 2 hours, only message from csd is "isiclient_sms_timeout(): Request TIMEOUT" (occurred once) |
| 09:05.25 | Maxdamantus | and shortly after stopping, I get those other messages again. |
| 09:06.09 | Maxdamantus | first one being "ind_req_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0" |
| 09:07.27 | Maxdamantus | s/req/reg/ |
| 09:07.45 | KotCzarny | might be tower breaking some standard |
| 09:08.09 | KotCzarny | and dropping idle clients forcibly |
| 09:08.58 | Maxdamantus | So what do other phones do about it? |
| 09:09.25 | sicelo | they are always active :) |
| 09:09.55 | sicelo | android phones are really noisy on the net. they almost never 'rest' |
| 09:10.10 | sicelo | so they never have a problem |
| 09:11.06 | sicelo | it's just that my usb ports are all dead, i would test with a 3G modem on my laptop - i won't be surprised if i get same problem |
| 09:12.22 | sicelo | i will test on my BBB or CHIP |
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| 09:16.04 | KotCzarny | maxd: running ping keeps time slots allocated for your device |
| 09:16.18 | KotCzarny | that's why it appears to work |
| 09:16.51 | sicelo | i recall i did experience it with a modem in the earlier days, but, to be fair, the modem itself seems to be rubbish. i can get a better huawei/zte |
| 09:17.18 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: but I can claim one of these slots immediately by getting the modem to reconnect? |
| 09:17.30 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: great, that's what I suspect it should be doing anyvay. |
| 09:17.39 | sicelo | yes, |
| 09:17.45 | KotCzarny | maxd, but it would deactivate after an idle period (1-2s) |
| 09:17.56 | KotCzarny | or some more |
| 09:18.08 | Maxdamantus | It normally takes around 10 seconds. |
| 09:18.23 | Maxdamantus | I could probably get a precise timing. |
| 09:20.17 | Maxdamantus | Will see what csd looks like in strace soon. |
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| 10:21.45 | Maxdamantus | unrelated: does anyone know how to refer to individual phone plugs of the sort that you'd likely find in commercial cables? |
| 10:21.55 | KotCzarny | rj11 ? |
| 10:22.16 | Maxdamantus | So not the ones with the large tabs for soldering onto and the male thread for a cover. |
| 10:22.22 | Maxdamantus | No, phone plug. |
| 10:22.30 | KotCzarny | what's a phone plug then |
| 10:22.46 | Maxdamantus | Like what goes into the audio jack on an N900 |
| 10:23.06 | Maxdamantus | but just TRS or TS, not TRRS |
| 10:23.08 | KotCzarny | mini-jack and cinch ? |
| 10:23.26 | KotCzarny | 3.5" mini-jack ? |
| 10:23.29 | Maxdamantus | 2.5mm phone plug .. that's what the plug itself is called. |
| 10:23.48 | KotCzarny | you mean the one used on nokia n-gage |
| 10:23.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:23.54 | Maxdamantus | but whenever you buy such plugs from an electronics shop, you get them with a male thread and large tabs |
| 10:24.17 | Maxdamantus | I just mean normal audio plugs. |
| 10:24.30 | Maxdamantus | the ones on the end of headphones |
| 10:25.12 | Maxdamantus | just wondering about where to get ones where the part you solder the wires onto is lower-profile. |
| 10:25.44 | Maxdamantus | which is what you get if you just break apart some commercial cable, but that seems like a waste |
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| 10:26.29 | Maxdamantus | and I'd quite like some 1.5mm mono plugs where I can make a low-profile wire attachment. |
| 10:34.53 | Enrico_Menotti | Maxdamantus The best plugs you may find around are manufactured by Switchcraft. |
| 10:37.09 | Enrico_Menotti | http://www.switchcraft.com/Category.aspx?Parent=3 |
| 10:38.54 | Enrico_Menotti | http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/35hd_series_cd.pdf |
| 10:39.19 | Enrico_Menotti | Probably those are not "Low profile" as you mean. |
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| 10:48.56 | Maxdamantus | Enrico_Menotti: I intend to just put epoxy over the solder joints, so don't need an entire case thing. |
| 10:49.19 | Maxdamantus | (and the case thing is why there's a thread on it wasting space) |
| 10:49.24 | KotCzarny | im sad most producers stick to standards |
| 10:49.33 | KotCzarny | which tell how much space to leave etc |
| 10:49.41 | KotCzarny | prohibiting really low-profile plugs |
| 10:53.02 | Maxdamantus | Here's what I mean by low-profile: https://maxdamantus.eu.org/lppp.jpg |
| 10:53.52 | Maxdamantus | the one on the left is just taken from a commercial plug (they're usually encased in some sort of plastic), while the one on the right is what you'd get from an electronics shop (with a screw-on case above) |
| 10:54.21 | Maxdamantus | (I've also encased the one on the left in epoxy) |
| 10:54.48 | Maxdamantus | but the plug on the left seems to be pretty much the same in all commercial cables. |
| 10:55.44 | Maxdamantus | where you see the three conductors as shells of different diameter, with a single piece of plastic (black) separating them. |
| 10:56.05 | Maxdamantus | and some holes in the plastic for access to the conductors |
| 10:57.19 | Maxdamantus | note: that's a 2.5mm plug, so the sort that fits into an N900 |
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| 10:59.43 | Maxdamantus | The sort on the left seems a lot better-quality than the one on the right, possibly because the sleeve and the part to the top of it are just the same piece of metal. |
| 11:00.02 | Enrico_Menotti | Maxdamantus https://www.mouser.it/datasheet/2/670/sp-2533-01-1374779.pdf |
| 11:00.50 | Anasko | GSM/UMTS antenna on my N900 is worn - not black, but with a patch of yellow and green. Does it decrease quality of 3G signal for me, in Australia? Or does N900 have another 3G antenna hidden away somewhere? |
| 11:01.18 | Maxdamantus | the one on the right has the thread and the sleeve being two different pieces of metal, and in my experience, you can often just rotate them such that you lose conductance between at least one of the tabs, before even applying any heat. |
| 11:02.30 | Anasko | GSM is 2G, and 2G isn't available in Australia. UMTS is a subspecies of 3G. Question is, does 3G in Australia on Nokia N900 work on UMTS, or on something else, with some other internal antenna? |
| 11:03.56 | Maxdamantus | Enrico_Menotti: thanks, I think that might have helped. |
| 11:05.00 | Enrico_Menotti | Maxdamantus Is that one what you're looking for? |
| 11:05.04 | Enrico_Menotti | (More or less?) |
| 11:05.45 | Maxdamantus | Enrico_Menotti: pretty much. I was at least able to use the part number to find a site that sells those sorts of plugs. |
| 11:05.54 | Maxdamantus | https://www.digikey.co.nz/products/en/connectors-interconnects/barrel-audio-connectors/434?pkeyword=&sv=0&pv29=1&pv575=6&pv1954=12&sf=0&FV=ffe001b2&quantity=&ColumnSort=0&page=1&pageSize=25 |
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| 11:09.24 | Enrico_Menotti | Maxdamantus Mouser sells them as well. The link I provided is for the data sheet on Mouser, but I passed through the page for buying. |
| 11:10.16 | Maxdamantus | Probably better to just buy them from a local store like above. |
| 11:10.35 | Maxdamantus | since they already supposedly have thousands in stock, so they're not wasting money shipping something like 10 at a time. |
| 11:10.58 | Maxdamantus | (NZ is quite far from the rest of the world) |
| 11:11.10 | KotCzarny | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Vention-Aux-Cable-3-5mm-Jack-To-Jack-90-Degree-Right-Angle-Flat-Aux-Cord-For/32828129070.html |
| 11:11.14 | KotCzarny | this one seems quite low |
| 11:11.22 | Enrico_Menotti | I usually buy electronics from Mouser, in my opinion it's got the greatest choice. Also quite cheap (the cheapest probably). You only should buy at least some 50 dollars in order to get free delivery. |
| 11:12.04 | Enrico_Menotti | Here in Italy, when I can't spend at least 50 euros, I buy from RS online, whose shipping fees are the lowest for tiny purchases. |
| 11:12.55 | Maxdamantus | I don't really need a huge amount .. just gradually trying to reach my goal of having the ultimate earphone cable. |
| 11:13.28 | KotCzarny | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RAXFLY-3-5mm-AUX-Cable-For-Car-Gold-Plated-90-Degree-Right-Angle-Flat-Jack-For/32839427330.html |
| 11:13.36 | KotCzarny | this one seem a 1mm smaller |
| 11:13.49 | KotCzarny | with a bonus of flat cable |
| 11:13.50 | Enrico_Menotti | Honestly, I don't think any store has this kind of plugs in stock. These plugs are very specialized, it seems to me, so you can only find them from big sellers. |
| 11:14.17 | KotCzarny | although both are 3.5" |
| 11:14.19 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 11:14.50 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: I don't like the idea of having that cable attached pretty much directly to an apparently rigid piece of plastic/metal. |
| 11:15.24 | KotCzarny | maxd: why? you would be stressing soldered part otherwise |
| 11:15.51 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: in my design above the solder joints are not stressed, since it's all under epoxy. |
| 11:16.13 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: and there's heatshrink around the cable where it joins into the epoxy. |
| 11:16.33 | Maxdamantus | (the epoxy adheres a lot better to heatshrink than to the cable) |
| 11:17.51 | KotCzarny | my guess, best bet would be cannibalizing and modding regular plug |
| 11:17.55 | KotCzarny | by cutting it short |
| 11:19.28 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, that's what I've done. |
| 11:22.42 | Maxdamantus | and as for "why?", I'm pretty sure the fault is never with the solder joint. |
| 11:23.15 | Maxdamantus | the solder joints are usually encased in plastic anyway, similar to how they're encased in epoxy on my one. |
| 11:23.39 | Maxdamantus | it's a matter of not having the cable directly up against a rigid piece of plastic. |
| 11:24.09 | Maxdamantus | that's why the screw-on case in my picture has a flexible bit at the end where the cable comes out, and why the metal versions often have springs there. |
| 11:25.33 | Maxdamantus | if the cable is directly up against something rigid, you'll end up bending the cable at sharp angles there, so you instead have some spring, or bit of bendy plastic, or heatshrink so that it tends to curve instead. |
| 11:27.14 | Maxdamantus | also, don't like the exposed metal cases, since it provides a path to ground if I touch the case. |
| 11:27.21 | Maxdamantus | (assuming I'm grounded) |
| 11:27.52 | Maxdamantus | That's definitely noticable using my earphones. |
| 11:29.49 | Maxdamantus | (and assuming I'm using them on my computer, rather than my phone, which is normally isolated from ground anyway when in use) |
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| 13:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>but it would deactivate after an idle period<< yes, that's one of the reasons why 3G is power greedy. A single byte out *or in* keeps TX active for a BTS-defined period of several seconds |
| 13:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | >><sicelo> KotCzarny: and how does that premise explain the fact tha there are zero problems on 3G with the other operator?<< different operator = different BTS location, signal strength, TX power level; different freq/band; different implementation of the eadio stack firmware |
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| 21:03.35 | sunshavi | sicelo: do you have deb package for telegram on n900? |
| 21:04.46 | sicelo | there is on tmo |
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| 21:09.29 | sicelo | https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1522324&postcount=196 |
| 21:09.43 | sicelo | i don't see the file though :-? |
| 21:09.52 | sicelo | https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1501151&postcount=179 |
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| 21:12.36 | sicelo | i have the tar.gz for 1.3.3 .. let me know where i can save it for you |
| 21:15.41 | sunshavi | i am reading about it. |
| 21:17.46 | sunshavi | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11747350/TelegramN900.tar.gz |
| 21:24.57 | sunshavi | i have a dumb thinking |
| 21:25.10 | sunshavi | sailfish have a layer or emulator for running apk's |
| 21:25.33 | sunshavi | perhaps that layer could be ported to n900? or perhaps the processor is too weak for it |
| 21:26.05 | sunshavi | that way we could have a proper telegram app :) |
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| 23:02.25 | brolin_empey | sunshavi: You can already run Android applications on Maemo 5 but I never did it myself and I do not remember the specifics. |
| 23:03.30 | brolin_empey | What connector on the N900 is 2.5 mm? The audio/video connector is 3.5 mm. |
| 23:05.17 | brolin_empey | Are Windows XP and earlier in the same situation as Maemo 5 of not being able to access some Web sites due to lack of support for current version(s) of TLS? I could test on Windows XP myself if I was at my office but I am at home. |
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| 23:40.43 | sunshavi | brolin_empey: good to known. Perhaps someone remembers the specifics on this list |
