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| 03:00.18 | Wikiwide | If there is a problem (and I don't think there should be), then Qml-browser defaults to duckduckgo, regardless of searchengines. |
| 03:11.15 | Wikiwide | I don't know where order of search engines is hijacked to have DuckDuckGo always at the first place in the list? |
| 03:11.33 | Wikiwide | Could be in the binary. |
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| 08:43.47 | Vajb | huh, I might have fixed my device. |
| 08:44.08 | Vajb | as simple as bending those golden leaf springs slightly backwards. |
| 08:44.18 | Vajb | in sim slot |
| 08:45.01 | KotCzarny | which one? |
| 08:45.18 | KotCzarny | those 6 that touch sim? |
| 08:45.26 | sicelo | yes |
| 08:45.50 | KotCzarny | might do that as well, i guess |
| 08:46.04 | Vajb | all seven |
| 08:50.20 | KotCzarny | i guess fix didnt work 100% |
| 08:50.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:51.25 | sicelo | haha |
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| 08:53.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:58.35 | Vajb | do you happen to know my good frien Mr. Murphy? :p |
| 09:03.35 | KotCzarny | we do. |
| 09:03.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 09:09.47 | KotCzarny | seems worse than ever? |
| 09:09.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:19.13 | Vajb | this is kind of amazing problem. It works for few hours and all of sudden stops working |
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| 09:19.37 | sicelo | what operator is this? |
| 09:19.45 | Vajb | but there was external event which triggered it |
| 09:19.50 | Vajb | Elisa |
| 09:20.01 | Vajb | Finnish operator |
| 09:20.04 | sicelo | external event? |
| 09:20.39 | Vajb | external thing that I refered to was that I came back in after spending half an hour outside |
| 09:21.02 | Vajb | temperature change from -1 to +23 |
| 09:21.24 | inz | Your sim card is trying to tell you to spend more time in the great outdoors. |
| 09:21.53 | Vajb | I think I will bend those spingy things a bit more since it helped some |
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| 09:23.40 | KotCzarny | how much charged is your battery? |
| 09:23.43 | KotCzarny | currently |
| 09:24.01 | sicelo | what is the problem by the way? non-working internet, or no gsm connection at all? |
| 09:25.12 | KotCzarny | in my case 'cellular network not available' and sometimes 'no sim' |
| 09:25.22 | KotCzarny | but i suspect sim troubles |
| 09:25.29 | KotCzarny | since the card itself is old |
| 09:27.18 | sicelo | oh you still have issues KotCzarny as well :-0 |
| 09:27.42 | KotCzarny | well, no-sim problem stopped |
| 09:27.51 | KotCzarny | but in last few weeks it happened 2-3 times |
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| 15:11.25 | Kabouik_ | Hey lads, is there anything in the works regarding the SSL certificate of TMO? |
| 15:13.06 | Kabouik_ | My website with probably 1000 times fewer daily visits than TMO still is on https. Why is it not deemed important for TMO? |
| 15:15.18 | Kabouik_ | "Most users ever online was 14,978, 11-29-18 at 23:08." |
| 15:15.57 | Kabouik_ | Erratum, 15000 fewers visits on my website. :> By the way, not sure what happened on Nov. 29th, but it's great to see that the record was so recently. Probably a spambot wave though, I reckon. |
| 15:16.19 | KotCzarny | maybe bot attack |
| 15:16.20 | KotCzarny | who knows |
| 15:16.32 | KotCzarny | or some maemo-leste announcement hit the media |
| 15:18.19 | KotCzarny | as for https, whats the gain? |
| 15:18.29 | KotCzarny | apart from used server resources |
| 15:18.37 | KotCzarny | give 3 real points |
| 15:18.41 | KotCzarny | (for tmo) |
| 15:19.51 | Kabouik_ | To be honest I didn't even think SSL should be debated, I believe it's a security standard and should not be a question when a site gathers so many people. But I am not an admin, nor a professional in this topic, I might be wrong. |
| 15:20.05 | Kabouik_ | I'm afraid Leste hitting the media wouldn't attract 15k people, unfortunately ;p |
| 15:20.20 | KotCzarny | again, im against doing anything just because everyone does it and creates a fad |
| 15:20.38 | KotCzarny | if admins had some real advantage to go full ssl, they would do it |
| 15:21.21 | Kabouik_ | It is not just because everyone uses it, browsers also start to complain/warn when they see something non-ssl, and the security of users should be the primary priority, even when they could just check whether the URL they typed is correct |
| 15:22.10 | KotCzarny | you dont understand security |
| 15:22.22 | Kabouik_ | I might not, I acknowledged |
| 15:22.45 | KotCzarny | it's not about 'i dont wanna see anyone seeing me doing things' |
| 15:22.53 | Kabouik_ | I know |
| 15:23.11 | KotCzarny | because if you were highprofile target, ssl wont help |
| 15:23.21 | Kabouik_ | That is not what I had in mind |
| 15:23.23 | KotCzarny | as your computer/os is bugged |
| 15:23.36 | KotCzarny | so what is the security you are talking? |
| 15:23.50 | KotCzarny | you can set login page in bookmarks to be https |
| 15:23.54 | KotCzarny | but then? |
| 15:24.12 | KotCzarny | sure, there is one point of mitm injection attacks |
| 15:24.39 | Kabouik_ | I just believe a website drawing hundreds of users a day should not be flagged as "not secure" by most browsers, and I don't believe the putative costs of going https overweigh the benefits of having a website recognized as genuine |
| 15:25.31 | KotCzarny | so basically, you are complaining because your browser is complaining |
| 15:25.38 | Kabouik_ | No I am not complaining |
| 15:25.38 | KotCzarny | and not because you know what is it about? |
| 15:25.46 | Kabouik_ | I am asking why it is not deemed relevant for TMO. |
| 15:26.07 | sixwheeledbeast | Whats up with the cert it's TLS1.2 with LE and expires in May? |
| 15:27.31 | Kabouik_ | On top of that, as I said I don't know much about administrating a website or security, but I happen to have a website with a SSL certificate. It is not much, but I am sure the majority of TMO users don't, and they will probably be more concerned about browsers flagging the website as "Not secure" than I am after checking the URL. Assuming everyone knows about http/https and can make an educated assessment of the real situation after checking the full |
| 15:27.31 | Kabouik_ | URL would be an issue, and I don't think browser warnings should be overlooked. |
| 15:28.47 | Kabouik_ | Because those warnings they do concern people, including TMO users. |
| 15:29.13 | sixwheeledbeast | warnings? |
| 15:29.13 | Kabouik_ | Err, sorry I edited my sentence and left some words out of place. |
| 15:30.38 | Kabouik_ | https://0x0.st/zz_6.png |
| 15:31.51 | Kabouik_ | But well, I see if I type https:// that TMO does have a certificate |
| 15:31.57 | Kabouik_ | It just doesn't automatically redirects to https |
| 15:32.02 | Kabouik_ | What is the benefit of that? |
| 15:32.11 | sixwheeledbeast | So use 443 instead of 80? |
| 15:32.15 | sixwheeledbeast | ^ exactly |
| 15:32.18 | Kabouik_ | But why? |
| 15:32.26 | sixwheeledbeast | Because Midgard |
| 15:32.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~midgard |
| 15:32.34 | infobot | A PHP Application Server Suite - Web building with Web-based tools. URL: http://www.midgard-project.org/ |
| 15:33.00 | sixwheeledbeast | I use HTTPS Everywhere so never have this issue |
| 15:33.41 | Kabouik_ | I don't know how I ended up on the http version of TMO honestly, but I assumed I should have been redirected to https if it existed |
| 15:34.03 | Kabouik_ | Probably just typed "talk.maemo.org" in the address field |
| 15:34.34 | KotCzarny | i think login page redirects to http |
| 15:34.41 | KotCzarny | after successful login |
| 15:35.10 | Kabouik_ | That might be it, I logged in today |
| 15:35.30 | Kabouik_ | I am not sure what are the benefits of leading people to the http urls if there are https ones |
| 15:35.43 | KotCzarny | server load |
| 15:35.56 | KotCzarny | in old times it was an issue |
| 15:36.11 | Kabouik_ | Alright, I see |
| 15:36.36 | sixwheeledbeast | It something that is not easy to fix it's been requested before many times over the years. |
| 15:36.41 | KotCzarny | so its more a legacy from ancient times |
| 15:36.49 | Kabouik_ | Well anyway, sorry for the noise, I was just bothered by this "not secure" label since a few days but didn't realize the website had a proper certificate |
| 15:37.34 | Kabouik_ | I guess it would be best indeed if users were always on https, it would be less confusing and wouldn't raise any question about whether the website is actively maintained |
| 15:38.22 | KotCzarny | keep in mind new certs might kill n900's browser :P |
| 15:38.34 | KotCzarny | so 'always on https' might not be the best idea |
| 15:38.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Even HTTPS Everywhere shows the site has (partial HTTPS). It's something that would be nice to fix but not simple with everything being tied into midgard and volunteer staff keeping it running. |
| 15:39.00 | sixwheeledbeast | That too N900 compatibility is another thought. |
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