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| 04:35.35 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Writing on a road/path/sidewalk/⦠can be considered a non-paged book? |
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| 12:02.39 | Oksana | Motorised miniaturised Torah scrolls?.. Would require a very flexible and durable screen for displaying e-books. And it's paginated, still, even in scroll form ;-) |
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| 12:04.42 | Oksana | Book of Esther and Joshua Roll are paginated as well?.. Vertical, non-paginated rolls are more likely to be used for shorter documents?.. |
| 12:05.35 | Oksana | Shorter or longer, doesn't matter for computer display. Still, it would have to be a very flexible durable display... |
| 12:06.02 | KotCzarny | it's mixing up tech |
| 12:06.10 | KotCzarny | you can scroll data on eink |
| 12:06.22 | KotCzarny | (slower or faster but still) |
| 12:06.57 | KotCzarny | no need to physically move anything if you have electronic display |
| 12:08.00 | Oksana | Question is, if dislay is a fixed rectangle, then it's intuitive for it to be paginated, if only because scrolling non-paginated text on e-ink display is going to be laggy. |
| 12:08.24 | KotCzarny | currently eink is quite speedy |
| 12:09.04 | Oksana | If display is a roll, then human can scroll down the non-paginated text physically, while the part of display hidden from user updates itself. |
| 12:09.07 | buZz | as long as it isnt a >1 color display ;) |
| 12:09.19 | buZz | those 2 color einks take -forever- to refresh |
| 12:10.10 | KotCzarny | buzz, i'm not talking about any specific tech, but generic idea of fixed medium vs dynamic display |
| 12:10.17 | Oksana | And I cannot wait for full-colour e-ink displays... Too impatient. |
| 12:10.25 | buZz | ah ok, dont call it eink then ;) |
| 12:10.46 | KotCzarny | oksana: they are here already |
| 12:10.52 | KotCzarny | just far from perfect |
| 12:11.03 | KotCzarny | already used mirasol for quite few years |
| 12:11.08 | Oksana | Yes, I am mixing things up. Like, scrolling physically a digital display. |
| 12:11.12 | KotCzarny | it even plays youtube @10fps |
| 12:12.14 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly red is a bit washed out, and android/soc sucks a lot of battery anyway |
| 12:12.24 | KotCzarny | readability in full sun is good tho |
| 12:19.48 | Oksana | Yes, readability in full sun is good for e-ink. And for amoled, but that's power-hungry? |
| 12:19.55 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 12:20.29 | Oksana | But amoled looks far better than e-ink? Colourful, contrastful... |
| 12:20.33 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 12:20.42 | KotCzarny | same for ips |
| 12:21.11 | KotCzarny | also, lcd(amoled, ips, tn) is more stressfull to the eyes |
| 12:21.16 | Oksana | power-hungry as well ^ |
| 12:21.48 | KotCzarny | for books and longer reading last argument is important |
| 12:22.02 | Oksana | Any scientific links on studies that show that? Because I understand theory, but I would like empirical evidence as well |
| 12:22.11 | KotCzarny | otherwise headache, eyestrain can occur |
| 12:22.44 | KotCzarny | yes. been there, done that, had eye/headaches. |
| 12:23.09 | Oksana | And office workers all use LCD/whatever computer monitors, no e-ink computer monitors ;-) |
| 12:23.15 | KotCzarny | as for retina burnout, any ultraviolet light study should suffice |
| 12:23.51 | Oksana | should get sunglasses/computerGlasses, UV is strong here |
| 12:24.04 | KotCzarny | with reflected light (which is usually sun filtered through atmosphere) it's natural for us |
| 12:24.39 | KotCzarny | remember that uv can also enter eye sideways and make your eye more foggy |
| 12:24.56 | Oksana | Australia's UV is stronger than elsewhere, if only because of ozone hole? |
| 12:25.17 | KotCzarny | more sun probably in general |
| 12:25.27 | KotCzarny | fewer cloud/humidity |
| 12:25.38 | Oksana | And I want glasses that cover all angles, like some sunglasses do - so that my eyes do not see anything outside frames |
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| 12:30.25 | Oksana | Let's hope the computer is still switched on and accessible tomorrow. Because I am transferring IceChat logs out of it. |
| 12:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki ozone_hole |
| 12:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly lost relevance? |
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