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| 02:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF is this?? >>Samsung Region Lock: This phone must be used with a European SIM card in Europe. If you want to use this phone with a non-EU- SIM card or outside EU, you must operate the phone for at least 5 minutes with a EU SIM in region EU first. Failing to do so, I.E. using the phone initially outside EU or with a non-EU SIM will result in malfuntion of the phone and the need to have the phone unlocked in a Samsung service point<< |
| 02:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this a ultra-nifty way to spoil the day of asian mafia et al? |
| 03:51.42 | brolin_empey | The European Union is a subset of Europe and countries such as Russia and Turkey are in both Europe and Asia. |
| 03:54.43 | brolin_empey | What if you only use the SIM in the Asian part of a country that is also in Europe, such as Russia or Turkey? âEUâ seems ambiguous because it could mean either Europe or the European Union, which are not the same. |
| 04:04.42 | brolin_empey | Can you have an MX record for mx.mx.mx ? |
| 04:07.03 | brolin_empey | More precisely for mx.mx.mx. ? |
| 04:46.47 | brolin_empey | Actually, apparently the states of Mexico do not have their own second-level domain names in the .mx top-level domain. |
| 04:53.12 | brolin_empey | Vivaldi just silently exited on my home computer with 16 GiB of main memory? :-/ |
| 05:11.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: they were pretty specific, with list of countriesd that are not EU (not ambiguous) and yet allowed |
| 05:12.42 | brolin_empey | Such as Norway? |
| 05:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's assume "yes", just to determine if it's worth me fetching that fineprint paper |
| 05:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your conclusion fom "Norway yes"? |
| 05:16.16 | brolin_empey | I meant that âEUâ as a contraction of âEurop[ea]â is ambiguous because âEUâ is also the initials of the European Union, which is only a subset of Europe because it excludes countries that are fully in Europe, such as Norway, and countries that are partially in Europe, such as Russia. |
| 05:17.00 | brolin_empey | Contraction, clipping, abbreviation, whatever. |
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| 05:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | please note that I meant EU when I wrote EU |
| 05:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | google "samsung region lock" |
| 05:26.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's obviously around since 2013 |
| 05:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the text: https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/mobile-phone/how-remove-samsung-region-locking-3590401/ |
| 05:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly my text, but similar |
| 05:31.48 | brolin_empey | s/google/Search the Internet for/ I primarily use DuckDuckGo, not Google Search. I also use Bing Search in addition to DuckDuckGo and Google Search. |
| 05:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | good for you. you're a smart guy who should understand that "to google" is a generic term nowadays |
| 05:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I use startpage, FWIW |
| 05:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | even more so, I only provide startpage links, never google links |
| 05:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.startpage.com/do/search?query=samsung+region+lock |
| 05:37.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess hardly anybody understands >>stzartpage "samsung region lock"<< |
| 05:37.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | "to google" is in all dictionaries now |
| 05:41.50 | brolin_empey | By your reasoning, you would also use âPhotoshopâ as a verb even though the Adobe Photoshop does not natively run on your apparently preferred platform of GNU+Linux. |
| 05:44.38 | brolin_empey | Do you also use âSkypeâ as a verb even though Skype is closed-source software popular with persons who do not know how to use the SIP with a service such as VoIP.ms or iptel.org ? |
| 05:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I use the term "this is photoshoped" |
| 05:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, Skype afaik ios not commonly accepted as a term yet |
| 05:51.28 | brolin_empey | Do you live in the FRoG (the Federal Republic of Germany)? |
| 05:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | also SIP VoIP predates and dwarfs skype |
| 05:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I think this convo turns strange and weird now, so I'm out |
| 05:54.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ding: >>to google (sth./sb.); to search (for sth./sb.) on the Internet; to search the Internet for sth./sb. (esp. using the Google search engine) ::: (nach jdm./etw.) googeln; im Internet suchen; im Internet recherchieren (bes. mit der Suchmaschine Google) [comp.] << |
| 05:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see Duden and I guess Meriam Webster |
| 05:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | also Hornby |
| 05:56.11 | brolin_empey | I do not speak German but I know some about the language. |
| 05:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Learners-Dictionary-Current-English/dp/0194311414 aka "Hornby" |
| 05:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you know sth about the language, you will know Duden |
| 05:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it included "googeln" (to google) several years ago already |
| 05:58.11 | brolin_empey | I was already aware of Duden before today. |
| 05:58.42 | brolin_empey | I enjoy reading dictionaries. |
| 05:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for confirming that, though it sounds like a defeating reply |
| 05:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm out, this is not leading anywhere |
| 06:01.21 | brolin_empey | Of course not, because we are RoHS-compliant. ;-) |
| 06:03.00 | brolin_empey | Seriously, though, I usually use the English-language Wiktionary. |
| 06:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, from arguing about allegedly ambiguous term "EU" to "to google" to "to photoshop" to which dictionary to use? dang you must be bored |
| 06:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm totllay missing the point you try to make |
| 06:41.32 | brolin_empey | If âNorth Americaâ is abbreviated to âNAâ then âEurop[ea]â is probably also abbreviated to âEUâ even though âEuropean Unionâ is abbreviated to âEUâ too. That was my point about âEUâ having the potential for ambiguity. I never argued about which dictionary to use, I only meant to tell you that I usually use the English-language Wiktionary as a general source as opposed to special sources such as Duden or other sources for |
| 06:41.32 | brolin_empey | specific languages. I am not bored because I literally always have something I should be doing but I often still procrastinate. I should have been updating my resume, which was last modified in 2011, or shopping for low-energy light bulbs, probably LED or compact fluorescent, because I have no spare light bulbs at home, or replying to my written one-on-one conversations with some women, or maybe some fun but low priority computer project such as trying to |
| 06:41.32 | brolin_empey | Hackintosh my HP 2133 Mini-Note notebook computer or other, more useful computer projects such as finally getting around to implementing SPF for my domain name or trying to use a small, solid-state x86 computer that can boot from a 2.5-inch SATA drive such as the ODroid H2 (correct name?) to replace some fanful tower computers with microATX or larger motherboards in my home and office. |
| 06:46.49 | brolin_empey | Or even seeing if my ET1000 8-bit ISA video card works better in my Asus P2B-based computer with i440BX chipset that natively supports ISA than in my Socket-370 motherboard with VIA chipset that relies upon a PCI to ISA bridge. |
| 06:50.09 | brolin_empey | Or trying to fix my user error that seems to not matter in practice in the installation of acme.sh on a server of a customer of my company during Friday night, which is presumably a period of low demand for the service provided by this production server. |
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| 14:38.33 | fishbulb | hey |
| 14:38.46 | fishbulb | the spesker in my phone stopped working |
| 14:40.51 | fishbulb | volume all the way up, no earpiece, it was too spontaneous |
| 14:41.09 | fishbulb | it's weird that it would stop |
| 14:41.26 | sicelo | speark or earpiece? if earpiece __> suspect riboon cable |
| 14:41.38 | sicelo | sorry for typos |
| 14:43.56 | fishbulb | earpiece, there's been no inteermittent faults or anything. |
| 14:44.27 | sicelo | flex cable then |
| 14:47.02 | fishbulb | what about it? |
| 14:47.03 | fishbulb | broken? |
| 14:50.27 | sicelo | yes, in some way |
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| 14:55.27 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon |
| 14:55.28 | infobot | fixribbon is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 |
| 15:03.11 | fishbulb | from the boot menu can i do a kind of factory reset? |
| 15:03.33 | sicelo | it won't fix a broken ribbon ... |
| 15:04.52 | sicelo | N900 doesn't have a boot menu. what do you mean? |
| 15:04.54 | fishbulb | i am using the phone, i have barely any data |
| 15:05.49 | fishbulb | the one you install |
| 15:06.42 | fishbulb | i don't remember. there's a lot of shit going on. |
| 15:06.50 | sicelo | not a far as i remember. simplest way to reset n900 is toreflash, and i repeat - it won't fix a non-working earpiece |
| 15:07.51 | fishbulb | i don't have facilities to fix a broken ribbon xcable, i am inbetween apartments |
| 15:09.11 | sicelo | resetting won't help either. that's the point.. maybe now you have a good reason to buy an Android phone :) |
| 15:11.19 | fishbulb | i want to reset for different reasons |
| 15:11.19 | fishbulb | and i will need to research which android phone is best for my budget |
| 15:11.32 | fishbulb | i can't waste hundreds of euros on something that turns out to be worse |
| 15:13.40 | sicelo | i'm sure you'll get something. choice is virtually limitless on android |
| 15:13.42 | fishbulb | this is fucking terrible. getting an apartment is so bad here. |
| 15:19.05 | fishbulb | that's what makes it so frustrating. the cheap choices from a store are a bit limited. i need the money to get an apartment. new phones aren't really in trhe budget |
| 15:34.02 | fishbulb | what about life says it has to work out. surely there's guys in prison who are there from a millisecond of too much stress |
| 15:38.19 | sicelo | :) |
| 15:42.52 | fishbulb | glad you're happy |
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| 15:51.10 | sicelo | we have same issue in my country. people were complaiing that our country's most ruthless serial killer is living a life of luxury in prison. evidently, he could watch the world cup in style |
| 15:56.54 | fishbulb | i have been to jail and it's worse than you think |
| 16:00.12 | buZz | i just stopped caring about phones :) |
| 16:00.23 | buZz | dont need mobile data, dont need voice chats |
| 16:02.29 | fishbulb | serial killer should have been quietly removed but he has human rights and if thr death penalty exists it's possible an innocent person can be killed |
| 16:02.29 | fishbulb | buzz those things make life easier |
| 16:02.29 | fishbulb | especially if all your family is overseas |
| 16:02.52 | sicelo | you're missing the point fishbulb. oh well |
| 16:03.32 | buZz | fishbulb: i dont like that |
| 16:03.49 | buZz | and wont cooperate in upholding such systems |
| 16:04.37 | fishbulb | what was the point |
| 16:06.00 | sicelo | afk |
| 16:06.01 | fishbulb | well you have a luxury then |
| 16:06.03 | buZz | yeah i dont see one either |
| 16:06.25 | buZz | how does carrying a 24/7 on radio help with your families geological distance |
| 16:07.02 | fishbulb | they only use common things |
| 16:07.02 | fishbulb | that are phone only |
| 16:07.42 | buZz | cool |
| 16:07.43 | fishbulb | and most people do in general. |
| 16:08.02 | buZz | well if everybody jumps off a bridge, i'll be sure to join |
| 16:08.12 | buZz | who needs independant thought :D |
| 16:10.13 | fishbulb | that's the very next logical step first it's whatsapp, then immediately mass bridge suicide. |
| 16:10.29 | buZz | uhuh |
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| 17:48.17 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: https://www.startpage.com/en/about-us.html?&t=default claims that this company is profitable but does not explain their business model. 0_o |
| 17:49.23 | KotCzarny | simple, nsa sponsoring |
| 18:05.26 | sicelo | eh. what search engine is safe then ? |
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| 18:53.08 | fishbulb | this handset is infected, which type of format will reinstall just the operating system? |
| 18:53.44 | fishbulb | i was testing shit out, it seems like hands on is the quickest way of infection. maybe onoly if you don't use wifi? |
| 18:54.07 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 18:54.08 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 18:54.28 | fishbulb | crap i need data. |
| 18:56.48 | fishbulb | a lot of it. |
| 18:56.48 | fishbulb | is there a maemo future? |
| 18:56.49 | fishbulb | the topic suggests it |
| 18:59.54 | fishbulb | it'll flash back to factory? |
| 19:02.08 | fishbulb | this tiny thing is horrible for reading anything |
| 19:15.51 | fishbulb | hands on the device might be the only way of infection if you don't use the wifi |
| 19:16.19 | KotCzarny | nope. |
| 19:16.28 | fishbulb | no? |
| 19:18.49 | fishbulb | that confuses me then |
| 19:18.49 | fishbulb | with part of this experiment |
| 19:19.14 | fishbulb | are you german kotzkarny |
| 19:21.29 | fishbulb | kotczarny. wait i think i read kot is slavic, not sure why germans uase it |
| 19:35.11 | fishbulb | kotczarny can you elaborate on the security of these things, the forums are mostly pointless |
| 19:38.52 | KotCzarny | old kernel, old libs, device connected to the internet in any way is susceptible to remote volnerabilities if cellular provider dont filter incoming packets. and to local vulnerabilities in browserd (any component that uses it) |
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| 19:50.19 | fishbulb | so bad across the board |
| 19:50.48 | KotCzarny | there are OFFLINE power plants hacked |
| 19:51.06 | KotCzarny | so even being cut from the net doesnt prevent being hacked |
| 19:53.09 | fishbulb | power plants |
| 19:53.09 | fishbulb | i need a phone not a power plant |
| 19:53.24 | KotCzarny | you are not reading what i wrote |
| 19:56.48 | fishbulb | i will amalgamate it with what i know so far |
| 19:56.48 | fishbulb | thanks |
| 19:59.28 | fishbulb | basicvally there is no security |
| 19:59.28 | fishbulb | fuck it. |
| 19:59.41 | KotCzarny | yes. |
| 20:00.17 | KotCzarny | go for freebsd, they will sing you to sleep |
| 20:00.33 | fishbulb | the internet equals a shitload of people and most of them are mostly bad |
| 20:00.55 | sixwheeledbeast | nothing is truly "secure". Security is all about layers and the number of layers should be equal to the risk. |
| 20:01.38 | KotCzarny | layers have holes, some are obscure, some are not-yet-found |
| 20:01.40 | fishbulb | layers? |
| 20:01.41 | fishbulb | i got doxxed recently for no reason |
| 20:01.52 | sixwheeledbeast | Layers should be constantly assessed and adapted as issues are found. |
| 20:02.33 | KotCzarny | offtopic, i'm slowly starting to love my espressobin |
| 20:02.35 | fishbulb | and tyey added in stuff they wrote, not me |
| 20:02.36 | sixwheeledbeast | This is the same will all types of security be that physical, online whatever. |
| 20:02.50 | sixwheeledbeast | s/will/with/ |
| 20:04.48 | fishbulb | physical i have a lot moer control over |
| 20:04.48 | fishbulb | people are fucking garbag |
| 20:04.49 | fishbulb | more people are shit than are good |
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| 20:09.29 | fishbulb | i'm so good that i'm vhanging policies wherever i go. |
| 20:12.39 | fishbulb | this entire building can't use internet while on shift for example |
| 20:12.39 | fishbulb | through their own misuse of it. i didn't even use the internet. |
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| 21:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: please invest more effort to dilligently find the elaborate explanation of startpage's business model on their website. It's there |
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| 23:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit it's not simp,le to find, anyway I succeeded back when I chosen Startpage - they get money from Google for the adds they forward and show while they protect their users from getting tracked by google and by the ads |
| 23:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the money advertisers pay to google for placing ads stays a fraction at google while another fraction gets forwarded by google to startpage |
| 23:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, they changed their website. And they now say they pay google for using google's search results. So maybe they do direct business with advertisers now? |
| 23:22.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: https://www.startpage.com/en/search/privacy-policy.html >>Our search result pages may include a small number of clearly labeled "sponsored links", which generate revenue and cover our operational costs. Those links are retrieved from platforms such as Google Adwords.<< |
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| 23:32.23 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: ACK. |