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| 09:54.33 | rhombus | Hi, I'm trying to install the python-gobject package. |
| 09:54.48 | rhombus | sudo doesn't seem to work... |
| 09:55.08 | rhombus | and when I log into the device as root via ssh and wifi, it's really slow |
| 09:55.26 | rhombus | and apt-get install fails because apt-get can't lock the dpkg file |
| 09:55.43 | rhombus | dpkg/lock, sorry |
| 09:55.48 | KotCzarny | install rootsh ? |
| 09:56.02 | rhombus | KotCzarny: yeah, I wanted to do that, but it doesn't seem to be in the catalogue |
| 09:56.18 | rhombus | KotCzarny: I have the Extras repository, so that seems odd |
| 09:56.24 | KotCzarny | and if you have ssh working already, just do ssh root@localhost |
| 09:56.28 | KotCzarny | to get root |
| 09:56.35 | rhombus | KotCzarny: ah!!! |
| 09:56.40 | rhombus | Man, that should have been obvious |
| 09:56.50 | rhombus | but why can't I get rootsh? |
| 09:57.00 | KotCzarny | and to speed up ssh via wifi, just take down power saving in wifi options |
| 09:57.19 | KotCzarny | it's much more convenient to use pc and ssh to n900 |
| 09:57.48 | KotCzarny | by default wifi power saving is at max, which kills ssh interactivity |
| 09:57.48 | rhombus | KotCzarny: Where are the wifi options? In Settings? |
| 09:58.08 | KotCzarny | yes, it's probably in advanced wjen you edit connections |
| 09:59.10 | rhombus | KotCzarny: Ok, found it |
| 10:00.00 | rhombus | KotCzarny: hm. Still very slow. I probably need to restart the connection, yes? |
| 10:00.17 | KotCzarny | might be, try |
| 10:00.19 | rhombus | KotCzarny: so why can't I see rootsh? |
| 10:00.27 | rhombus | KotCzarny: in the application manager, I mean |
| 10:01.51 | rhombus | ah, good, installing python-gobject is working... sorta. It's hanging at "waiting for headers"... probably the wifi again |
| 10:02.22 | KotCzarny | or weird returns from dns |
| 10:02.36 | rhombus | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.40 | rhombus | it's installing |
| 10:02.53 | KotCzarny | turn off power saving temporarily to confirm? |
| 10:03.14 | rhombus | KotCzarny: power saving is off now (I think) |
| 10:03.18 | rhombus | *checking* |
| 10:03.50 | rhombus | argh |
| 10:03.52 | rhombus | it's on again |
| 10:03.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:03.57 | rhombus | Is that normal? |
| 10:03.59 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 10:04.07 | KotCzarny | try disconnecting |
| 10:04.14 | KotCzarny | editing connection, then connecting |
| 10:04.32 | rhombus | ok, it automatically restarted the connection |
| 10:04.37 | rhombus | maybe I didn't hit the right button :( |
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| 10:05.06 | rhombus | ok, now it shows as off |
| 10:05.37 | KotCzarny | for me intermediate setting is good enough |
| 10:05.45 | KotCzarny | but it depends on ap and network quality |
| 10:07.04 | rhombus | my AP is suboptimal, it's running OpenBSD 6.2 with an atheros interface. It works, but the driver doesn't support the full range of protocols |
| 10:08.43 | rhombus | Ok, so... the rootsh problem; why am I not seeing this in the program manager? |
| 10:09.12 | KotCzarny | because it's cli program most likely without proper category set |
| 10:09.28 | rhombus | KotCzarny: but if I choose "all" shouldn't it then appear? |
| 10:09.33 | KotCzarny | which might be intentional |
| 10:09.34 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 10:09.38 | KotCzarny | all wont show all |
| 10:09.57 | rhombus | all won't show all? |
| 10:10.00 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 10:10.02 | rhombus | Ok - how do I find it, then? |
| 10:10.12 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search rootsh |
| 10:10.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:10.25 | KotCzarny | it's not for regular joe anyway |
| 10:10.37 | rhombus | ah, so I can't install it through the App Manager? |
| 10:10.48 | KotCzarny | truly i dont remember |
| 10:11.07 | KotCzarny | was long time ago, and havent reinstalled my n900 for many years |
| 10:11.31 | KotCzarny | and if you have ssh working, you dont really need it |
| 10:12.19 | rhombus | KotCzarny: ok. I'll use ssh then. No need to complicate things further. |
| 10:12.38 | KotCzarny | make an alias or put a script named rootsh into /usr/local/bin |
| 10:12.52 | KotCzarny | that will call ssh line |
| 10:14.26 | rhombus | ok, thanks for the tip |
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| 10:49.14 | MoeIcenowy | I think rootsh is installable in HAM |
| 10:49.52 | KotCzarny | do you see it in pkg list? |
| 10:50.57 | KotCzarny | is a bit lazy to fire up ham |
| 11:33.26 | MoeIcenowy | KotCzarny: I used Faster Application Manager to install it |
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| 11:35.33 | KotCzarny | oh, then it's there, but fam is discouraged, you know? |
| 11:35.51 | sixwheeledbeast | ~hamvsfam |
| 11:35.51 | infobot | hamvsfam is probably https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 |
| 11:36.05 | KotCzarny | ~fam |
| 11:36.05 | infobot | i heard fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 11:36.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ~speedyham |
| 11:36.18 | infobot | speedyham is probably 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. |
| 12:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: in HAM you got a few option flags in settings menu, one of them makes truly all packages visible |
| 12:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the canonical method to install CLI progarms (except rootsh, for obvious reasons) is via cmdline by apt-get install <package> |
| 13:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | rootsh however must be there when you got the right repos enabled |
| 13:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 13:02.17 | infobot | hmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 13:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh/ |
| 14:07.04 | MoeIcenowy | oh I didn't know fam is so badly reputed |
| 14:07.25 | KotCzarny | who knows, maybe it got better |
| 14:08.06 | MoeIcenowy | so I will choose to use CSSU HAM instead of FAM now |
| 14:09.57 | MoeIcenowy | but to be honest the main speed barrier here is that at China the speed to access maemo.org is quite slow ;-) |
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| 14:33.04 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ham |
| 14:33.04 | infobot | from memory, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham |
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