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| 05:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ginggs: interesting at least |
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| 05:55.06 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: My father is interested in using an ARM Linux SBC based upon the Allwinner H2 for a project but he wants to know which GNU+Linux distributions are supported on this platform? |
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| 06:18.34 | sparre | Is there an alternative to the now defunct Nokia GPS assist server? |
| 06:22.22 | Vajb | sparre: I have it set to use supl.google.com, but I don't actually use it so I have no idea if it actually works. |
| 06:22.32 | KotCzarny | brolin_empey: many, but look at armbian (they have images for debian and ubuntu) |
| 06:23.35 | KotCzarny | also, if the board is 'unsupported' all it needs is some DT tweaking usually |
| 06:23.47 | KotCzarny | and h2+ is essentially h3 |
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| 06:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl |
| 06:25.35 | infobot | supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 |
| 06:25.51 | sparre | Thanks! |
| 06:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | a year or 2 ago, we discussed in hetre to run our own maemo SUPL server but nobody volunteered to set it up |
| 06:28.52 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: OK, thank you. What is DT? |
| 06:29.14 | Maxdamantus | device tree |
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| 06:31.08 | brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: OK, thank you. |
| 06:51.48 | Maxdamantus | wonders why the "Use HTTPS" proxy option in Opera gets reset on startup. |
| 06:55.43 | Maxdamantus | `chown -w ~/.opera/opera.ini` seems to fix that. |
| 06:56.17 | Maxdamantus | Kind of weird that it supposedly updates it on start then rereads it again. |
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| 07:20.15 | Maxdamantus | microb seems to behave similarly. |
| 07:20.31 | Maxdamantus | Very weird. Maybe more reminants of insane people. |
| 07:21.01 | Maxdamantus | (keeps setting "network.proxy.type" to 0 in prefs.js on startup) |
| 07:21.43 | KotCzarny | maybe it sets it from network settings |
| 07:21.53 | KotCzarny | ie. from active wifi config |
| 07:23.35 | Maxdamantus | Hm. I guess that would explain it. |
| 07:24.02 | Maxdamantus | Wonder if it can be overridden. |
| 07:24.13 | KotCzarny | sure, change it in network options? ;) |
| 07:24.18 | Maxdamantus | the `chmod -w` trick doesn't seem to work with microb. |
| 07:24.48 | KotCzarny | might be that they do all that initial config dance because it was easiest way to apply system wide tweaks |
| 07:24.53 | Maxdamantus | I mean to disable that behaviour, or else specify that a proxy server is to be used regardless of what connection I'm on. |
| 07:25.13 | KotCzarny | check first if my guess is right |
| 07:25.34 | KotCzarny | then you could simply throw your https proxy into connectivity part |
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| 07:28.21 | Maxdamantus | Yes, it avoids resetting it when the proxy is configured through maemo's settings (for a particular wifi connection) |
| 07:29.11 | KotCzarny | i would suggest implanting it systemwide then |
| 07:29.24 | KotCzarny | would probably help with non-browser apps too |
| 07:29.29 | KotCzarny | email? etc |
| 07:30.02 | Maxdamantus | Sure, just can't see how, since the proxy settings at least through the "Settings" program seem to be per access point. |
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| 07:30.25 | KotCzarny | is setting's source available? |
| 07:52.08 | brolin_empey | Is there an x86 smartphone with an integrated hardware keyboard? I could not find one. I also found only one or maybe two x86 smartphones with an LED (AMOLED) display instead of an LCD. I am not aware of any x86 smartphone with an electronic paper/ink display either, only the Yota Phone series with ARM SoC and difficult to remove battery. |
| 07:52.18 | Maxdamantus | as for email, not really useful there. |
| 07:52.35 | KotCzarny | maxd: inline attachments? |
| 07:53.50 | Maxdamantus | Well, I don't remember ever running a graphical email client on either desktop or phone. |
| 07:54.03 | Maxdamantus | other than in a web browser, which is already covered. |
| 07:54.17 | KotCzarny | does qt also use system proxy? |
| 07:54.47 | Maxdamantus | I normally use mutt in a debian root, so no issues connecting with that. |
| 07:55.16 | brolin_empey | Also, if the Volkswagen New Beetle has a full-size (16-inch) spare wheel, at least for the 1998 model year that I had, then why does at least one configuration of 2007 Audi A3 have a compact spare wheel? |
| 07:55.53 | _CN_ | almost every car nowadays have a compact one unless you pay for a big one |
| 07:55.58 | _CN_ | that's not maemo's fault, though |
| 08:00.09 | sixwheeledbeast^ | They are normally an added extra. You are lucky you have a space saver spare and not a can of foamy rubbish. |
| 08:02.04 | brolin_empey | I think the 2006 Audi A4 wagon/estate has a full-size spare wheel. I thought that Volkswagen/Audi still has a full-size spare wheel at least on some models. I am surprised that, if the New Beetle has space for a 16-inch spare wheel, that the A3 does not. Maybe you are correct that the full-size spare wheel is an option even for Audi. I could ask the seller of the A3 I was considering buying, which has a compact spare wheel. |
| 08:07.58 | buZz | maybe its fullsize for the original size wheels ;) |
| 08:12.32 | brolin_empey | I no longer have a European car nor a diesel car. I had a 1998 Volkswagen New Beetle GLS TDI with 5-speed manual transmission until 2014 June when I replaced it with a 2010 Hyundai Elantra Touring (name used to market the Hyundai i30cw AKA i30 estate first generation in Canada and the USA) Sport Edition with 2.0L I4 naturally-aspirated spark-ignition engine (actually the only engine for the Elantra Touring because Hyundai does not sell a diesel car in North |
| 08:12.32 | brolin_empey | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.55 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Select the correct gear? |
| 08:13.57 | brolin_empey | The spare wheel in this A3 says the maximum speed for this wheel is only 80 km/h so I do not think this wheel and tire are the same as the original non-spare wheels. ;-) |
| 08:16.42 | sixwheeledbeast^ | If it's speed restricted it's a space saver. The diameter of all the wheels must be similar, only the profile will be different. |
| 08:17.51 | sicelo | Maxdamantus: the system-wide proxy setting doesn't seem to really be 'system-wide' - it seems to only be used by applications that specifically look for it, such as microb, of course. Modest/email for example does not use it, even when set |
| 08:18.27 | brolin_empey | Literally, the normal tires also have a maximum speed even if the vehicle cannot achieve that speed. ;-) |
| 08:20.15 | sixwheeledbeast^ | standard road tyres have a speed rating (letters are used for this). It's not speed on a yellow sticker. |
| 08:20.52 | inz | VW Polo's spare looked like a motorcycle tire compared to the normal ones |
| 08:21.16 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Yep that's a space saver limited to around 80km/50mph |
| 08:21.34 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: Yes, I know this, hence me being literal. :-P |
| 08:22.10 | inz | Haven't needed my prius's spare yet (knock on wood) so not sure if it's any good. VW T4 has a full size one at least |
| 08:22.29 | KotCzarny | #maemo -- now on spare wheels! |
| 08:23.51 | Maxdamantus | sicelo: yeah, I'm not too concerned about which programs use it, just that I don't have to configure these things for each internet connection. |
| 08:24.27 | Maxdamantus | I guess things were different back in 2009. |
| 08:24.36 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast^: supl.google.com does not seem to work http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=m5e493e2e |
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| 08:25.15 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ? |
| 08:25.52 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: I have twelve years of experience as a licensed driver of a car with a manual transmission but have never had a vehicle with a hill holder feature, which is part of why I dislike driving up hills. |
| 08:26.01 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I recall reporting supl.google.com has never worked? |
| 08:26.22 | sixwheeledbeast^ | That's what the handbrake is for |
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| 08:28.09 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: Yes, and is why I wore out/broke the drum brakes used for the handbrake on my current car before 65 000 km. The normal brakes are all disc brakes but the handbrake uses drum brakes. |
| 08:29.06 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast^: ah, nevermind then, I somehow understood from backlog that you didn't know whether it actually worked or not |
| 08:31.09 | brolin_empey | Anyway, as an end to off-topic vehicle discussion, I recently saw a concrete pumping truck with six axles, all close together, which reminded me of sixwheeledbeast^. |
| 08:31.12 | sixwheeledbeast^ | bencoh: I recall a thread on TMO many years ago where it was suspected supl.google.com block some devices? |
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| 08:33.39 | brolin_empey | I gather that Google has been caught intentionally causing problems for users of Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile because Google wants users to use Android instead of Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile. |
| 08:34.11 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Not many cars with drums on the rear any more, well over this side the water anyway. |
| 08:34.48 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast^: I don't quite remember if there was any proper conclusion in this thread |
| 08:34.59 | bencoh | I can see here is ssl_read_data: SSL_ERROR=5, ret=0, errno: Success |
| 08:35.05 | sixwheeledbeast^ | bencoh: :nod: |
| 08:35.11 | bencoh | +what* |
| 08:36.10 | sixwheeledbeast^ | i dont remember either |
| 08:37.05 | brolin_empey | Alledgedly Google also does not want Windows NT on ARM to take market share from Android nor Chrome OS. |
| 08:38.53 | brolin_empey | Specifically Windows 10 on ARM, not Windows Phone 8, which already used a Windows NT kernel on ARM. |
| 08:40.20 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast^: Only the handbrake uses drum brakes. The normal brakes on both the front and rear are disc brakes. |
| 08:44.08 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Mechanical cable and hydraulic connections for the rear calipers. |
| 08:50.08 | brolin_empey | I should not skip sleep but I am still young and I am still at the office at almost 02:00 so I guess I am not sleeping tonight, sigh. |
| 08:51.36 | brolin_empey | Now I can be the depersonalised from sleep deprivation version of myself for Halloween. |
| 08:53.00 | brolin_empey | Is there a Pumpkin Pi brand of SBC? |
| 08:57.57 | brolin_empey | Does Apple use eMMC on an x86 computer? I wondered if an x86-64 SBC such as the UP Board or Latte Panda can run Mac OS x86 (Mac OS X for x86 hacked/patched to run on non-Apple computers) but these SBCs use eMMC instead of SATA or NVMe. |
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| 09:52.32 | bencoh | Hmmm ... phone actually sends IMSI to SUPL server .... |
| 09:52.38 | bencoh | "yay" ... |
| 09:53.13 | KotCzarny | you have been tracked for so long, does it matter then? |
| 09:53.19 | bencoh | huhu |
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| 09:53.45 | bencoh | for some stupid reason I'd rather give that information to nokia than google |
| 09:54.02 | bencoh | (well, back when nokia operated a supl server, at least) |
| 09:54.09 | KotCzarny | make an anonymizing supl proxy? |
| 09:54.35 | KotCzarny | wasnt it some http data anyway? |
| 09:55.05 | bencoh | it doesn't look like "plain http data" |
| 09:55.36 | bencoh | and I'm basically trying to get maemo/location-proxy to work with supl.google.com through supl-proxy, yeah |
| 10:31.00 | brolin_empey | I was curious to know if the VIA x86 CPUs have the same vulnerabilities, such as Meltdown and Spectre, as Intel x86 CPUs. Apparently at least the VIA C7-M does have the same vulnerabilities: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-90cVBdvR0m8/W9mCLWg8l0I/AAAAAAAABDU/WqTlTRWtuXcxW3iRm5jcmmDrcv3aE6P3QCL0BGAYYCw/h1663/6226600743558986105%253Faccount_id%253D5 |
| 11:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: >>sends IMSI<< WTF?!?!! |
| 11:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | >><KotCzarny> make an anonymizing supl proxy?<< was what we discussed to set up on maemo infra |
| 11:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically |
| 11:03.58 | bencoh | yeah |
| 11:04.18 | bencoh | and yeah, we discussed that here ~10 months ago |
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| 15:04.58 | sixwheeledbeast^ | brolin_empey: I believe there is a script on github to check the vulnerability |
| 16:03.28 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~phonecontrol |
| 16:03.29 | infobot | phonecontrol is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 16:20.47 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~sparetyre |
| 16:21.31 | sixwheeledbeast^ | :) |
| 16:23.26 | KotCzarny | how many spares sixwheeler has to have? |
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| 16:31.24 | sixwheeledbeast^ | one |
| 16:32.00 | sixwheeledbeast^ | If centre tyre is flat you don't even notice. |
| 16:32.30 | sixwheeledbeast^ | rear wheels have redundancy :) |
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| 19:33.08 | halftux | ginggs: thank you yes it is helpful only that patches greater 1mb are not presented but it is still useful |
| 20:04.46 | halftux | has somebody worked with debhelper7 and cdbs-dh7, cdbs-dh7 needs fdupes I don't know why and this package doesn't exists anyone has a clue or a fdupes package? |
| 20:12.49 | ginggs | halftux: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/fdupes/1.50-PR2-2maemo1/ |
| 20:16.14 | halftux | yes I have seen this it is broken but cdbs-dh7 is already in extras |
| 20:16.35 | ginggs | halftux: ah right, i see what you mean now |
| 20:45.07 | halftux | ok fixed it by rebuilding package from jessie |
| 20:45.40 | halftux | should I upload it to extra-devel ? |
| 20:54.29 | ginggs | halftux: that would be nice, otherwise cdbs-dh7 will remain non-installable |
| 20:59.18 | halftux | roughly 30kb,the deb is 21kb should I maemo-optify it? Or at which size should packages optified or should all packages be optified? |
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| 21:08.52 | ginggs | halftux: I don't recall any specific rules about that, I'd guess at 21kb it wouldn't be worth the effort |
| 21:33.31 | halftux | the kernel-power-headers are still not imported to extras. promoted 2018-10-20 |
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| 22:06.21 | halftux | so package debhelper7 is some kind of experimental it has not all helper scripts so not useful for my case I stick to normal debhelper which is also 7 |
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