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| 06:41.35 | brolin_empey | has a new toy: an HP 2133 Mini-Note subnotebook computer from 2008 with an 80686-class VIA C7 CPU, a 2.5-inch SATA HDD, and, unfortunately, a fan. It is one of the few x86 computers I have with a CPU not from Intel nor AMD, though. |
| 06:58.06 | totalizator | that's why I love my old 386/486 era laptops - no fans, no problem |
| 06:58.55 | totalizator | and I have a lovely Sony Vaio wit K6-2 533MHz that I find unusable because of loud, noisy fan |
| 06:59.17 | KotCzarny | my x40 has a fan, but only turns on when full load in stupid websites |
| 06:59.29 | KotCzarny | otherwise idles ~40-45C range |
| 07:01.33 | totalizator | like my Celeron 1,5GHz powered Toshiba A50 - it has a fan but 95% of the time it remains dead silent when not under haevy load |
| 07:02.25 | totalizator | it has also a grat software for controlling the cooling behavior |
| 07:03.00 | KotCzarny | i just wrote a simple shell script to turn fan on/off depending on temp/hysteresis |
| 07:03.07 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 07:03.13 | totalizator | opposite to most old Vaio's where it's all up to the proprietary firmware and you can do nothing about it |
| 07:03.27 | KotCzarny | so no fan up to 63C, then waits till drops under 47C again |
| 07:03.56 | KotCzarny | works reliably and as i expected it to work |
| 07:04.22 | totalizator | great |
| 07:05.33 | KotCzarny | and since it's just a shell script, any configuration/changes are trivial |
| 07:06.35 | totalizator | good ol' thinkpads |
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| 07:16.11 | totalizator | ok, now, what should I do with my new n810? it has OS2008; should I flash it with something other? any alternative repos like community ssu for n900 or thumb versions or something? |
| 07:17.04 | KotCzarny | it had a power kernel afair |
| 07:18.00 | sicelo | congrats totalizator! |
| 07:18.08 | KotCzarny | makes a fine remote/controller/console |
| 07:19.39 | totalizator | yup :) it has an ir blaster? |
| 07:20.21 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 07:20.35 | KotCzarny | but wifi does the job |
| 07:20.36 | totalizator | silly me :E |
| 07:20.50 | KotCzarny | you can connect one via usb if you have a use for it |
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| 07:21.14 | KotCzarny | host mode is available without much fussing |
| 07:21.33 | KotCzarny | i even used it with usb audio card |
| 07:21.49 | KotCzarny | which is recommended if you plan to use it as an oscp host |
| 07:22.01 | totalizator | then I have to start like on n800 and install the boot manager to run os from sd card |
| 07:22.34 | KotCzarny | yeah, mine can run from internal flash/any sd |
| 07:22.50 | KotCzarny | with those fast sd cards recently showing up it's definitely recommended |
| 07:22.53 | totalizator | I'll leave the n800 for oscp |
| 07:23.03 | KotCzarny | why not both? ;) |
| 07:23.17 | KotCzarny | you can control n800's oscp with n810 oscp-remote |
| 07:23.17 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:23.24 | totalizator | oh, I wanted to reuse some old sd, any advantage with the new ones? |
| 07:23.52 | totalizator | omg, that's crazy :D but I like the idea |
| 07:23.59 | KotCzarny | 4k random r/w |
| 07:24.14 | KotCzarny | old sd cards suck big sucky balls in that regard |
| 07:24.22 | KotCzarny | 1-10 iops range :P |
| 07:24.34 | KotCzarny | with recent cards you can have almost normal responsivity |
| 07:24.41 | KotCzarny | 100-1000iops range |
| 07:24.53 | KotCzarny | a1/a2 class |
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| 07:30.01 | totalizator | uh huh, looks like I have to catch up a bit |
| 07:31.00 | totalizator | plus I have to check what card sits inside the n800, I have never complainded about the performance |
| 07:31.29 | totalizator | and I hope the boot manager is still installable and possible to download somewhere |
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| 07:44.58 | KotCzarny | you have never ran whole os from it probably |
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| 07:45.52 | totalizator | I did |
| 07:47.03 | totalizator | but this is some not that old, not a budget Sandisk SD 4GB |
| 07:49.20 | KotCzarny | yeah, try kingston :> |
| 07:49.49 | KotCzarny | also, run a iozone test on it |
| 08:02.14 | totalizator | kingston? |
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| 11:39.41 | totalizator | has anyone tried postmarketos on n900 recently? how user firiendly it is? |
| 11:39.43 | totalizator | https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 |
| 11:39.57 | totalizator | friendly* :E |
| 11:40.31 | sicelo | a/cu |
| 11:41.04 | sicelo | user friendly .. deends on how you define it. |
| 11:44.09 | sicelo | postmarketos is Alpine Linux, a desktop OS. what pmOS has done is to make it easy to run on phones. As far as N900 goes, it runs well. there's no 3d accel. so most windows managers are slow. i prefered i3, since we have hwkb, but xfce also fine. pmOS has KDE Plasma as the most mobile-optimised UI, but that won't work on N900 (wayland + 3d) |
| 11:45.11 | sicelo | totalizator: if you want to evaluate alternative/modern OSes on N900, include Maemo Leste. you might be pleasantly surprised |
| 11:46.45 | bencoh | sicelo: so they haven't merged the pvr work of the past year? |
| 11:47.09 | sicelo | no. |
| 11:47.27 | bencoh | I suppose they'd rather stick to mainline/vanilla kernel? |
| 11:48.31 | sicelo | not really. they even run vendor kernels in some cases. i think on N900 it is just a matter of not having enough people working on it |
| 11:48.40 | bencoh | oh, okay |
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| 15:48.34 | sparre | broke his (current) N900 yesterday. It fell from about 1 m height, and something critical seems to have broken, as it won't power up. |
| 15:48.58 | bencoh | :/ |
| 15:49.06 | sparre | will have to check if any of his old N900's can be made to work. |
| 15:54.10 | sicelo | sorry man |
| 15:55.38 | sicelo | i'm looking at buying a second N900, but the price is (i think) a bit too steep for me. still debating |
| 15:57.50 | sicelo | s/for me/for my liking/ |
| 15:59.16 | sicelo | what do you guys pay for N900 these days? |
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| 16:17.01 | KotCzarny | sparre: does the led show up ? |
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| 16:59.36 | sicelo | since we don't have ShareIt, any suggestions for an easy way to share files from Android device to N900 via WiFi, without involving Internet? bluetooth is out because it's very slow for large files |
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| 17:12.57 | sparre | KotCzarny: No. |
| 17:13.38 | sparre | KotCzarny: I can get a short orange blink when I plug in USB power, but that's all. |
| 17:24.25 | KotCzarny | ho hum |
| 17:30.23 | KotCzarny | i wonder what broke |
| 17:30.42 | KotCzarny | maybe some short in the panel |
| 17:48.28 | sparre | My guess is a connection between the panel and the "body". |
| 17:49.09 | KotCzarny | did you try disassembling then reassembling? |
| 17:50.55 | sparre | Not yet. |
| 17:51.21 | KotCzarny | might be worth a shot, and you can even get a hint what broke |
| 17:51.32 | sparre | I've been a bit too busy to do anything but moving the SIM to a spare phone. |
| 17:51.48 | sparre | But it is a good idea. |
| 17:52.21 | KotCzarny | my n900 was meeting ground plethora of times |
| 17:52.29 | KotCzarny | those babies are tough as.. nokia |
| 17:52.30 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:52.50 | sparre | Mine has as well too, but this time I wasn't as lucky as usual. |
| 18:00.08 | KotCzarny | offtopic: http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=33798 o.O |
| 19:07.20 | brolin_empey | N900 USB connector != tough because it is only surface mounted instead of through-hole mounted. :-P |
| 19:10.15 | brolin_empey | How is the USB connector on the N950 and N9 mounted on the circuit board? |
| 19:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never heard of anybody checjing that |
| 19:35.28 | sicelo | KotCzarny: that is ... eerie :-D |
| 19:37.29 | KotCzarny | moo-man |
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| 21:43.40 | brolin_empey | Carrying a notebook computer and its external power supply feels like carrying a brick compared to carrying a smartphone/phablet. |
| 21:45.12 | brolin_empey | Same for carrying a 3.5-inch HDD compared to a 2.5-inch HDD or SSD. |
| 21:47.47 | brolin_empey | Did the flexible disc begin as IBM magnetic tape technology put on a circular disc? |
| 21:49.51 | buZz | probably |
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| 22:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | check out Samsung Note9 DeX. Awesome (well sort of, if only there were standard apps for it) |
| 22:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway turns your smartphone into a micro-"brick" aka "laptop" |
| 22:16.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ubuntu-mate has gpd pocket builds |
| 22:17.32 | sicelo | so my main N900 lost the magnet for back cover, and sd cards not detected anymore. |
| 22:17.59 | sicelo | in fact, not lost, but somehow rusted, turned to powder |
| 22:18.02 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fixmagnet |
| 22:18.28 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ping |
| 22:18.29 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:18.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~toast |
| 22:18.33 | infobot | well, toast is a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering....... |
| 22:18.35 | sicelo | is there suck factoid? |
| 22:18.42 | sicelo | *such |
| 22:18.46 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys fix |
| 22:19.04 | sicelo | ~listkeys magnet |
| 22:19.13 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm maybe there isn't one |
| 22:19.53 | sicelo | anyway, i am just wondering how the magnet should be inserted. e.g. which direction do the poles faces |
| 22:32.52 | buZz | sicelo: oh eh, i think i can measure that if i brought my compass here |
| 22:33.23 | buZz | i did! |
| 22:33.28 | buZz | now where is one of my n900s |
| 22:35.59 | sixwheeledbeast | while true; do cat /sys/devices/platform/mmci-omap-hs.0/mmc_host\:mmc0/cover_switch; done |
| 22:36.19 | buZz | good point, could just measure |
| 22:36.38 | sixwheeledbeast | I need to add that to my list |
| 22:36.48 | sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks |
| 22:36.48 | infobot | beasttweaks is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
| 22:38.32 | buZz | hmm, bit vague, seems the north pole is pointing to the right-side of the n900 , with the backlid towards you |
| 22:38.54 | buZz | oh, no |
| 22:39.04 | buZz | north is pointing outward from camera, south inward |
| 22:40.21 | sixwheeledbeast | ~botsnack |
| 22:40.21 | infobot | :), sixwheeledbeast |
| 22:43.00 | sixwheeledbeast | damn my device is being slow. |
| 22:43.23 | sixwheeledbeast | uptime 14 days and it's still indexing my music. |
| 22:43.31 | sixwheeledbeast | damn you tracker |
| 23:16.42 | brolin_empey | âdamn my device is being slow.â |
| 23:16.42 | brolin_empey | I thought that is normal for the N900. :-P |
| 23:19.43 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: The Galaxy Note 5 and later have a difficult to remove battery, which sucks. The Galaxy Note 4 is theoretically an upgrade from the Galaxy Note 3 I still use but, in practice, the Galaxy Note 4 seems to have problems that the Galaxy Note 3 does not have so I will stay with my Snapdragon-based Galaxy Note 3. |
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