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| 01:57.59 | brolin_empey | (notes being lost) Maybe this is why Android switched from using USB Mass Storage to MTP? Can Maemo use MTP instead of USB Mass Storage? |
| 02:09.01 | Maxdamantus | I imagine the reason why something like Android would use MTP would be because sharing a storage device requires change in ownership. |
| 02:09.36 | Maxdamantus | your PC can't have access to the filesystem at the same time as your phone, so your phone has to unmount it before it can be shared. |
| 02:11.26 | Maxdamantus | You don't have that problem if you use a protocol for accessing files (like MTP, smb, NFS, FUSE, 9P/Styx) instead of accessing blocks on a storage device. |
| 02:12.06 | Maxdamantus | and out of the ones I listen, MTP is pretty much the only one that will just work with the way people normally use USB, since the others are network protocols. |
| 02:13.47 | Maxdamantus | I can't remember exactly how Maemo handled this stuff, but iirc it was not correct, so you could easily end up with a corrupt filesystem due to multiple systems reading/writing to it. |
| 02:14.26 | brolin_empey | Yes, I know that. MTP is definitely distinguishable from USB Mass Storage in my experience, though. At least on Windows. |
| 02:14.33 | Maxdamantus | would never use UMS mode on his actual partitions without explicitly unmounting. |
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| 16:58.44 | fishbulb | hey, my android phone is dead |
| 16:58.44 | fishbulb | I have an n900 with cssu for the meantime, how do i access gmail? |
| 16:58.55 | fishbulb | is there a browser that will do it? the repos seem to work |
| 16:59.03 | KotCzarny | gmail allows imap |
| 16:59.16 | KotCzarny | so i suspect add gmail imap account to email app |
| 17:01.29 | fishbulb | which imap account |
| 17:01.29 | fishbulb | i cant access it |
| 17:01.29 | fishbulb | this is literally the only internet device i have |
| 17:02.25 | fishbulb | i usually use gmail in a browser |
| 17:02.37 | KotCzarny | just checked, gmail allows imap. just enable it in settings and add such account to email app |
| 17:02.55 | KotCzarny | it also allows pop access |
| 17:03.55 | sixwheeledbeast | Use a mail client on the N900? |
| 17:03.56 | fishbulb | how do iget to the settings with the n900 |
| 17:03.56 | fishbulb | im on it now and its the only device i ahave that has internet |
| 17:04.09 | KotCzarny | try installing fennec |
| 17:04.19 | KotCzarny | its old and slow but might work |
| 17:04.24 | fishbulb | whats fennec |
| 17:04.47 | KotCzarny | old mobile firefox |
| 17:04.54 | fishbulb | this device is old and slow |
| 17:06.26 | fishbulb | apt-get install fennec ? |
| 17:07.55 | sixwheeledbeast | er not apt |
| 17:07.57 | fishbulb | ok the repos aren't working |
| 17:07.57 | fishbulb | with app manager |
| 17:08.08 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 17:08.08 | infobot | methinks maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 17:08.14 | sicelo | N900 email client is perfectly fine on Gmail |
| 17:08.56 | KotCzarny | sicelo: but afair gmail doesnt have imap/pop enabled by default |
| 17:09.02 | fishbulb | i cant get to the settings |
| 17:09.07 | KotCzarny | so it need to be toggled first via ww |
| 17:09.10 | KotCzarny | *www |
| 17:09.12 | sicelo | fennec is probably ont best choice for someone saying 'this device is old and slow' - perhaps can suggest Opera Mobile |
| 17:09.24 | sicelo | s/ont/not/ |
| 17:09.27 | fishbulb | opera doesnt work |
| 17:09.36 | sicelo | doesn't work? |
| 17:11.56 | fishbulb | and the standard browser doesnt |
| 17:11.56 | fishbulb | with gmail |
| 17:11.56 | fishbulb | the only problem |
| 17:11.56 | fishbulb | i mean the perimary problem im trying to get to on this thing |
| 17:13.06 | KotCzarny | also, i think gmail has 'legacy mode' |
| 17:13.10 | fishbulb | gmail access is critical. if any of you guys are german |
| 17:13.12 | KotCzarny | which uses simpler html/js |
| 17:14.16 | sicelo | fishbulb: i am (rhight now) looking at my gmail from N900 'standard browser' |
| 17:14.18 | fishbulb | im in a homeless shelter and m |
| 17:14.18 | fishbulb | need to get to the neherlands |
| 17:14.22 | fishbulb | where i am at least a citizen. this place is dirtier and less safe than jail |
| 17:16.26 | sicelo | maybe you have other problems |
| 17:16.41 | KotCzarny | go to public library/internet cafe and toggle the setting there? if you have two-factor authentication, you should be safe after logging out |
| 17:17.03 | sixwheeledbeast | 2FA may trigger a lock out? |
| 17:17.25 | sixwheeledbeast | Depends on your second factor I suppose |
| 17:17.38 | fishbulb | this is weird. it didnt let me all day |
| 17:20.44 | fishbulb | this n900 might be compromised |
| 17:21.59 | sixwheeledbeast | How do you figure that? |
| 17:22.13 | KotCzarny | oh, you are that one paranoid guy |
| 17:22.34 | sicelo | so it let you in now? :P |
| 17:25.41 | fishbulb | im paranoid for a reason |
| 17:25.41 | fishbulb | it said remote server something disconnected every time |
| 17:26.52 | fishbulb | i am sleeping in rooms with other people who mess with my belongings. they do it once and its game over for that device if you want to attempt to have privacy |
| 17:29.34 | fishbulb | hostels afre whwere gargbage lives. here in berlin. people live in them long term and the state pays. these people soetimews arent the most trustworthy |
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| 17:30.14 | fishbulb | if you leave anything unattended for a minute it is messed with. |
| 17:30.53 | fishbulb | which browser has the most chance of handling flights |
| 17:31.21 | fishbulb | bookings |
| 17:31.39 | sixwheeledbeast | any browser that you can get working. I'd try opera first. |
| 17:32.02 | Vajb | I use gmail on n900 with default mail client. Never had any problems |
| 17:32.36 | KotCzarny | vajb, care to create new gmail account and checking if it has imap enabled by default? |
| 17:33.36 | Vajb | nah, but Im pretty sure it has since I never changed any settings in gmail |
| 17:35.35 | fishbulb | its not a default account. but the plain htlml is working |
| 17:35.35 | fishbulb | in microb |
| 17:35.35 | fishbulb | this might be enough but i cant change settings |
| 17:38.03 | sicelo | iamp is not enabled by default, of course |
| 17:38.05 | fishbulb | not without a supported browser |
| 17:38.43 | KotCzarny | fishbulb, you can also give gmail credentials to someone to toggle the setting |
| 17:38.45 | fishbulb | i can read them i think |
| 17:38.51 | sicelo | you *can* change the setting in MicroB, *with* the html-only view fishbulb |
| 17:39.08 | sicelo | https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/11mazx360zs44/?v=prfap |
| 17:39.35 | sicelo | just click settings :-/ |
| 17:43.51 | fishbulb | server not found |
| 17:45.23 | sicelo | you just have a bad Internet connection, most likely |
| 17:45.24 | fishbulb | hey is a mobile ip address vulnerable |
| 17:45.34 | fishbulb | i have all bars |
| 17:47.09 | fishbulb | 3.5g and full bars of reception |
| 17:47.09 | fishbulb | this shit takes me back to 2016 |
| 17:47.27 | fishbulb | if i could time travel through irc and come out at my apartment then i would |
| 17:48.02 | fishbulb | because fuck this. you do n |
| 17:48.38 | KotCzarny | ah right, paranoid swearing guy |
| 17:48.44 | fishbulb | not wwant to rely on the german state to save your ass if youre unemplloyed for any length of time |
| 17:49.25 | sixwheeledbeast | well i suppose they have enough german unemployed people to look after? |
| 17:49.34 | fishbulb | this shelter had police tape over one of the doors |
| 17:51.09 | sicelo | on the matter of 2FA, does anyone know a good way to convert a really long Bas32 string to HEX? the OTP program available on N900 uses Hex, but most sites use Base32 |
| 17:51.10 | fishbulb | if you lose a lease, they will provide you a roof, but it will make yiou sick |
| 17:51.13 | fishbulb | cockroaches and worse stuff. too many people crowded into a place not fit for dogs |
| 17:51.55 | sixwheeledbeast | Would a coach not be easier? Say Berlin to Amsterdam for 25E? |
| 17:52.28 | sicelo | one of the mail accounts i've been fighting with uses a 410-character string! |
| 17:52.52 | sixwheeledbeast | Or if your brave thumb a ride down the A2? Not that i know other places well. |
| 17:53.19 | fishbulb | i had to get a text sent |
| 17:53.19 | fishbulb | thats days on a coach |
| 17:53.19 | fishbulb | how much luggage can you take? i have a bicycle and some heavy bags |
| 17:53.28 | fishbulb | too much stuff. |
| 17:53.46 | fishbulb | i dont want to be murdered either. |
| 17:55.06 | sixwheeledbeast | You ain't thumbing a ride with that much stuff then... |
| 17:55.07 | fishbulb | its like 80kg worth of everything i own. |
| 17:56.39 | sixwheeledbeast | Well its about 200E for flights so i was looking at options. I see no problem with a coach having luggage |
| 17:56.41 | fishbulb | nor unless a giant empty van picks me up. like the kind with no windows that you should get into |
| 17:57.42 | fishbulb | two hundred? man. |
| 17:58.13 | sixwheeledbeast | A quick search yes. tomorrow would be triple that |
| 17:58.41 | sixwheeledbeast | possible due to short notice. |
| 17:59.39 | sixwheeledbeast | Train seems to be the most popular at 60E but with 80kg of stuff maybe not... |
| 17:59.41 | fishbulb | i have nowhwere to stsay in nl either but at least am a citizen. maybe they have a similar deal with homeless shelters |
| 18:00.07 | KotCzarny | swb: sometimes there are last minute dirt-cheap flight tickets available |
| 18:00.17 | sixwheeledbeast | family friends? |
| 18:00.18 | KotCzarny | need to camp at the airport for that tho |
| 18:00.23 | fishbulb | its a two thoudsand euro bike and around 70kg of bags. tools and stuff. |
| 18:00.32 | sixwheeledbeast | true I said a quick check on a compare site |
| 18:00.38 | fishbulb | family all dead |
| 18:01.25 | fishbulb | in that country anyway |
| 18:02.02 | fishbulb | is there some iind of bike storage because a hostel never takes a bike |
| 18:04.44 | fishbulb | this is a mess. it doesnt take long to get into this situation. youd be shocked |
| 18:05.45 | fishbulb | isnt basically everyone in here german or near there |
| 18:06.10 | sicelo | no, of course not |
| 18:06.44 | sixwheeledbeast | er no |
| 18:08.03 | fishbulb | the main ones who made a lot of n900 apps |
| 18:08.03 | fishbulb | european? |
| 18:08.23 | sixwheeledbeast | Wouldn't there be a Dutch representative in Germany? TBH I would expect places like that to be in Berlin. |
| 18:08.33 | sicelo | african |
| 18:10.47 | fishbulb | they dont handle this |
| 18:10.47 | fishbulb | i can pay a coach or something |
| 18:11.16 | fishbulb | german actually offers to pay the airfare to get you out and away from the social security system |
| 18:13.32 | fishbulb | without a high level of german you are totally screwed for work anyway. |
| 18:13.32 | fishbulb | it takes more than half a year to learn that much german if youre good with language |
| 18:14.35 | sixwheeledbeast | Surely they would give you some advise on either getting home or where you can go at home. |
| 18:16.34 | fishbulb | just like this place it only has to be a roof. once you are out of the office the prtty beauraucrat doesnt care what happens |
| 18:16.34 | fishbulb | its just some idiot working a job they hate created by the government to employ people |
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| 18:18.00 | fishbulb | even if they see you as human they cant do anything about where you sleep |
| 18:18.08 | fishbulb | first cheapest result on google with a vacancy |
| 18:19.26 | sixwheeledbeast | It would be my first attempt for information about getting home if I was in that situation. |
| 18:19.28 | fishbulb | seriously every squat ive seen is better than this place. all of them. |
| 18:21.47 | fishbulb | they do not care |
| 18:21.47 | fishbulb | if it was some political asylum thing they might otherwise youre in for a loot of debt |
| 18:21.49 | fishbulb | whats the coach site that you looked at? |
| 18:29.05 | sixwheeledbeast | https://www.goeuro.com/travel-search/results/1051129599/bus?locale=en |
| 18:31.41 | fishbulb | is goeuro good? |
| 18:34.12 | fishbulb | how big is this screen |
| 18:35.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I believe it is a compare site? no idea. FlixBus will allow cycles and extra luggage at small extra charge. Some coach companies will not. |
| 18:37.44 | fishbulb | its not a giant bike but it is a bike |
| 18:37.44 | fishbulb | sending it isnt an option with no fixed address |
| 18:40.12 | sixwheeledbeast | checkmybus.com seem like another compare site with more info on luggage |
| 18:42.41 | fishbulb | thanks |
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| 19:30.14 | fishbulb | is the n900 just a linux tablet with a 3g device? if my ip is visible herecan some kali kid do the same stuff theyd do with a normal computer? |
| 19:30.34 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 19:30.51 | KotCzarny | but difference being linux tablets usually run androids |
| 19:34.23 | fishbulb | but this is full linux |
| 19:34.23 | fishbulb | full but old linux |
| 19:34.46 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:35.13 | fishbulb | how do i even test for foul play on this |
| 19:43.59 | APic | How would You make Your IP visible? |
| 19:45.57 | fishbulb | how would i make it invisible |
| 19:46.55 | APic | USB Networking? |
| 19:55.17 | fishbulb | usb networking with what |
| 19:55.54 | APic | With something dark |
| 19:58.04 | fishbulb | what? |
| 19:58.41 | APic | Anything |
| 19:59.00 | APic | You cannot see in the Dark |
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