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| 04:31.40 | brolin_empey | Low priority but interesting/novel problem to solve: Is it feasible to programatically insert the output of a shell command into a cell in a spreadsheet in Google Sheets? My use case: I have a table (spreadsheet in Google Sheets) for tracking the resources of servers of a company. One of the columns is for the amount of disk space actually used in the container as opposed to the maximum size/allocated size. Currently I manually run df in a shell and copy |
| 04:31.40 | brolin_empey | and paste part of the output into the table but it would be neat to automate this process so it could run regularly, such as every week or month. |
| 04:43.09 | Oksana | Just make sure Google Sheets does not take over your computer ;-) |
| 04:44.45 | brolin_empey | Oksana: Care to explain? I do not try to use Google Sheets on the N900 with only 256 MiB of main memory. :-P |
| 05:24.19 | Oksana | As in, if Google Sheets can execute command in a shell on a server, then Google Sheets could potentially take over the computer? |
| 05:34.05 | KotCzarny | using spreadsheet instead scripting+db to get automated data gathered seems like something done by someone completely computer illiterate |
| 05:36.48 | KotCzarny | 'oh, hey, just run this vbs in your excel, dont worrry, it's a completely safe and harmless' |
| 05:39.09 | brolin_empey | Oksana: I was thinking of having a scheduled task on a computer I control run a script/command that runs df on the containers, filters the output, and somehow updates the cells in Google Sheets. |
| 05:41.04 | brolin_empey | I think it may be possible but I have not researched it because the priority is too low but this problem interests me so I took the time to ask here. |
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| 05:41.18 | KotCzarny | why not cacti? |
| 05:42.07 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: cacti? |
| 05:42.22 | KotCzarny | data monitoring software |
| 05:42.41 | KotCzarny | with big flexibility and plenty of features |
| 05:43.48 | brolin_empey | Actually, I think we are already using NewRelic on at least some servers; maybe that is relevant here? |
| 05:45.02 | KotCzarny | might be, if it does similar thing, dont rewrite the wheel |
| 05:45.34 | brolin_empey | I do not use BSD so I do not use wheel. ;-) |
| 05:46.17 | KotCzarny | monitoring software usually use snmp to gather standard data instead of running random things |
| 05:46.59 | brolin_empey | df is standard in *nix, not a random thing. |
| 05:48.39 | inz | snmpd can be made to run random things on request :) |
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| 20:34.19 | rhombus | I keep losing data on my N900 when I mount the device |
| 20:34.29 | rhombus | as USB mass storage |
| 20:34.45 | rhombus | and I thought I was doing everything properly |
| 20:35.05 | sicelo | 'losing data' - how? |
| 20:35.25 | rhombus | sicelo: I write notes using the Notes app |
| 20:35.42 | rhombus | sicelo: I try to remember to save regularly |
| 20:35.52 | rhombus | sicelo: but sometimes I just close the app |
| 20:36.10 | rhombus | sicelo: normally, when I open it again, I see all my recent entries |
| 20:36.46 | rhombus | but even if I close everything, attach the device, mount it as mass storage... |
| 20:36.53 | rhombus | 1. I don't see the most recent version |
| 20:37.19 | rhombus | and 2. when I unmount it and try and look at the notes file again, I get a message saying the file could not be restored |
| 20:37.29 | rhombus | I just lost another day's worth of notes :( |
| 20:38.31 | rhombus | Is there any way for me to recover this data? |
| 20:39.24 | sicelo | no idea. that has never happened to me. i close the application without ever saving, and have never lost anything. |
| 20:39.43 | sicelo | maybe you should consider a different application, e.g. Xournal? |
| 20:40.38 | rhombus | sicelo: are you routinely mounting the N900 as a USB mass storage device, or do you move everything over the network? |
| 20:41.10 | rhombus | I recall someone mentioning -- perhaps Jörg -- that you have to be very careful here or you can damage files |
| 20:41.47 | sicelo | i don't mount usb storage much lately, but i've done that lots of times in my 7 years of ownership. never lost a note. yes, i probably don't use them as much as you do |
| 20:41.59 | rhombus | hmmm |
| 20:42.23 | rhombus | sicelo: where are the files stored? I have a directory called .documents, but that seems to contain old versions of the files |
| 20:43.02 | sicelo | Notes seems to save in the last directory you opened something from. |
| 20:43.34 | rhombus | not in some default? |
| 20:43.54 | sicelo | no |
| 20:44.06 | sicelo | you can see the current save directory like so: |
| 20:45.01 | rhombus | but Notes saves backup files somewhere, and those must be automatic... |
| 20:45.10 | sicelo | gconftool-2 -g /apps/osso/osso-notes/default_folder |
| 20:47.12 | sicelo | i am no expert, but from what i've seen, there's no separate backup. Notes just (tries to) cleanly save to the actual file each time. i could be wrong |
| 20:47.22 | rhombus | Ok -- so clearly is something wrong here |
| 20:47.27 | rhombus | *there |
| 20:47.38 | rhombus | Notes is saving in a hidden directory -- is that normal? |
| 20:47.42 | rhombus | .documents |
| 20:47.50 | sicelo | yes. normal |
| 20:48.16 | sicelo | it is what you see as MyDocs/Documents in File Manager :) |
| 20:48.38 | sicelo | and since you mount it to USB a lot, you would have notice. what is the host OS? |
| 20:48.56 | rhombus | But in Filemanager there is no MyDocs |
| 20:48.59 | rhombus | just Documents |
| 20:49.03 | rhombus | and it contains different files |
| 20:49.16 | rhombus | Just now it was Windows |
| 20:49.20 | rhombus | but it has happened with Linux also |
| 20:50.20 | sicelo | ok. scratch out MyDocs. N900/Documents in File Manager |
| 20:51.07 | rhombus | do you mean Nokia N900? |
| 20:51.11 | sicelo | i wonder if you're not guilty of saving to Documents while it's mounted via USb, which is probably what may have been meant by Joerg |
| 20:51.39 | rhombus | sicelo: I thought that's why he warned me to close everything before mounting via USB |
| 20:51.45 | rhombus | which is what I just did |
| 20:52.02 | rhombus | but then I couldn't find the most current state of the file on the host machine |
| 20:52.25 | rhombus | and when I unmounted and tried to open it again with Notes, it gave me an error message saying the restore had failed |
| 20:52.35 | rhombus | something can't be right here |
| 20:52.44 | sicelo | if you write to Documents (or anywhere else that's accessible via File Manger) while the drive is mounted via USB, you will of course end up with a tricky situation |
| 20:53.10 | rhombus | sicelo: I have the following files |
| 20:54.27 | sicelo | here's a page you might want to get familiar with: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem |
| 20:55.13 | sicelo | and, https://wiki.maemo.org/MyDocs_folder |
| 20:56.15 | rhombus | thanks |
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| 20:58.47 | rhombus | can I change the default folder with gconftool-2? |
| 20:59.26 | sicelo | i don't know how Notes will like that. you could try. |
| 21:00.10 | sicelo | i don't think you really need to, though |
| 21:00.32 | sicelo | just choosing a save directory from within notes should set it |
| 21:01.37 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:01.53 | rhombus | I wonder how this happened in the first place |
| 21:02.23 | sicelo | what? |
| 21:03.26 | rhombus | well, that I have files that used to be in .documents that are now in documents |
| 21:03.48 | rhombus | and that I keep losing my most recent changes when I do mounts, even though everything is ostensibly closed |
| 21:04.37 | sicelo | if you check the links I gave you, you would notice that MyDocs/.documents = "Nokia N900/Documents" |
| 21:04.54 | rhombus | yeah, but I also have Nokia N900/documents |
| 21:05.09 | sicelo | you created it? |
| 21:05.34 | rhombus | probably, but I don't recall |
| 21:06.02 | rhombus | Notes does not seem to have a Save As function |
| 21:06.24 | sicelo | yup |
| 21:06.42 | rhombus | sicelo: so how am I supposed to change the default directory? |
| 21:06.57 | sicelo | New Document - Save :) |
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| 21:07.49 | sicelo | but remember, default directory is not fixed .. it keeps getting set to wherever you last open a document from |
| 21:08.38 | sicelo | i do think *you* need a better Notes application. Check the repositories for something you like |
| 21:09.50 | sicelo | i use xournal, because it allows me to use stylus & scribble. it allows text input by keyboard, but i found the text entry mechanism lacking. i am sure there are others |
| 21:10.08 | rhombus | sicelo: Notes must be backing things up somewhere -- how else can there be a discrepancy between what I see in .documents and what is actually open in Notes? (for example, time stamps from yesterday, even though I have been saving since then) |
| 21:10.18 | rhombus | ok, xournal |
| 21:10.34 | rhombus | could the backups be in one of the .osso directories? |
| 21:11.01 | sicelo | you can try lsof to see what files Notes keeps open (sorry can't help much with that ...) |
| 21:11.09 | rhombus | there's a file here called "startup-restored-flag" |
| 21:11.49 | rhombus | aha |
| 21:11.56 | rhombus | there's also |
| 21:12.14 | rhombus | ~/.osso/osso-notes |
| 21:13.45 | sicelo | nice then |
| 21:14.23 | rhombus | which contains autosave.0-Espanol.note.html.note.html (which is for an old file I don't think I have anymore) |
| 21:14.26 | rhombus | unfortunately |
| 21:14.33 | rhombus | the data I am looking for is not there |
| 21:14.41 | rhombus | then there is .permanent-state |
| 21:15.18 | rhombus | which has a bunch of file URIs to an autosave of a file I just had open |
| 21:15.42 | rhombus | very wierd |
| 21:15.53 | rhombus | I guess I'll try switching to xournal |
| 21:16.34 | sicelo | doesn't have to be xournal. check repositories for somethingt hat'll suit you. |
| 21:20.06 | sicelo | seems there's a qmlnotes |
| 21:20.51 | sicelo | might be worth a try |
| 21:22.48 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:25.12 | rhombus | ok, I've started by changing the default save folder |
| 21:25.27 | rhombus | but you are right, notes is a pain |
| 21:25.30 | rhombus | it's buggy |
| 21:26.02 | sicelo | many f the osso* applications are |
| 21:26.06 | sicelo | *of |
| 21:26.18 | rhombus | (when I save rich text files with bullet points, it adds an additional bullet point with each save operation) |
| 21:26.35 | rhombus | maybe that explains the restore failures also |
| 21:35.36 | sixwheeledbeast | rhombus: osso-notes is weird. IIRC it saves files in XML format |
| 21:35.54 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: exactly! |
| 21:35.57 | sixwheeledbeast | I mostly use leafpad |
| 21:36.24 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: I've just installed "Notes" and "mnotes" |
| 21:36.34 | rhombus | and now I will install leafpad :) |
| 21:37.41 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: but yeah, osso-notes has a bug where it keeps nesting bullet list items |
| 21:39.04 | rhombus | xml is notoriously difficult to do correctly |
| 21:39.44 | rhombus | which is why I can't understand why it is such a popular format |
| 21:41.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Validation |
| 21:42.57 | sixwheeledbeast | Anyway I found osso-notes annoying to use within months of having my N900 and switched to leafpad for GUI text editing |
| 21:43.13 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, I should have switched sooner |
| 21:43.15 | rhombus | :/ |
| 21:43.19 | rhombus | inertia, I guess |
| 21:43.54 | rhombus | now that I've lost hours of notes twice in the last two weeks, I'm done with it |
| 21:44.08 | rhombus | thanks for the tips sicelo, sixwheeledbeast |
| 21:44.15 | rhombus | I'm going to hit the sack |
| 21:44.18 | sicelo | yw |
| 21:44.20 | sixwheeledbeast | I can only think to look in .osso |
| 21:44.31 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: for the possible backups? |
| 21:44.45 | sixwheeledbeast | yer |
| 21:44.50 | rhombus | yeah, there were some old autosave files there, unfortunately no sign of my data :( |
| 21:45.17 | sixwheeledbeast | tmp? |
| 21:45.22 | rhombus | hmm |
| 21:45.57 | sixwheeledbeast | Run some sort of grep on text files? |
| 21:46.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Just throwing ideas |
| 21:47.10 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: thanks, those are good ideas |
| 21:47.16 | rhombus | I'll give them a try tomorrow |
| 21:47.28 | rhombus | thanks again |
| 21:47.33 | sixwheeledbeast | Its a closed program so you can't work it out from the source where backups would be |
| 21:47.36 | sixwheeledbeast | np |
| 21:47.51 | rhombus | all the more reason NOT to use it |
| 21:47.53 | rhombus | :) |
| 21:48.03 | rhombus | g'night |
| 21:48.03 | sixwheeledbeast | leafpad is on the Free Maemo wiki ;) |
| 21:48.06 | sixwheeledbeast | gn |
| 21:48.13 | sixwheeledbeast | as replacement |
| 21:48.22 | rhombus | where is that? |
| 21:48.35 | sixwheeledbeast | ~closed |
| 21:48.35 | infobot | [closed] http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900, or https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo |
| 21:48.45 | sixwheeledbeast | link 2 |
| 21:49.41 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:49.42 | rhombus | noted |
| 21:49.46 | rhombus | thanks :) |
| 21:49.55 | rhombus | gn and until next time |
| 21:52.04 | sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: I;v6, seems sixxs used an ayiya protocol (no idea@exactly what it is), but seems it could even be used over double nat, as on a 3G connection. that sounds great! pity sixxs is no more |
| 21:52.25 | sicelo | s/;v6/Pv6/ |
| 21:52.32 | sicelo | meh |
| 21:54.41 | sixwheeledbeast | sicelo: Yep I used Sixxs for my tunnel until they closed it down. never looked for another after that. |
| 21:55.11 | sicelo | you have native IPv6 now, I guess? |
| 21:55.52 | sixwheeledbeast | I think many sites are hosted in dual stacking server farms for availability. no my ISP bought up the last v4 to avoid it for 10 years |
| 21:57.16 | sicelo | :P |
| 21:57.38 | sicelo | what country? |
| 21:58.55 | sixwheeledbeast | They applied to IANA for a massive block to cover there network growth for the next decade uk |
| 21:59.15 | sixwheeledbeast | that was 2014 |
| 22:00.25 | sicelo | we still have quite number of v4 this side too, to the point that neighboring South Africa, for example, has at least two mobile operators who give public IP to cellular phones :P |
| 22:01.17 | sicelo | recently they NAt everyone, but you can request 'unrestricted apn' for free and very easily |
| 22:04.52 | sixwheeledbeast | Many mobile cos here use CGN, it creates massive headaches for some applications. |
| 22:05.55 | sixwheeledbeast | It's becoming popular for ISP's tho to, as mobile co's become ISP's too. |
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