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| 02:33.11 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 02:35.42 | Wikiwide | When I start Qt Mobile Hotspot, I see 192.168.254.1 under wlan0 in ifconfig. However, "ping 192.168.254.1" on Nokia N900 doesn't see it, 100% packet loss. |
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| 04:05.34 | Wikiwide | MicroB gives 403, and Fennec is so slow that I don't know yet whether it works or not. And I haven't got laptop to connect to N900 hotspot yet. |
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| 04:37.29 | Wikiwide | Excuse me... MicroB, I have asked you repeatedly to get out of full screen. What has got you so busy that you do not respond? |
| 04:55.30 | Wikiwide | Just why did HAM get a brilliant idea to offer "upgrades" for 5 packages from version X to version X? |
| 04:57.00 | Wikiwide | HAM slows everything down. So, closed. |
| 04:57.22 | KotCzarny | you know your poor n900 has only 256M of ram? |
| 04:57.32 | KotCzarny | of which usually you have 5-20MB free tops? |
| 04:58.14 | KotCzarny | which means having multiple programs open isnt recommended? |
| 04:58.18 | Wikiwide | Oi, only 5-20MB free usually? It must be swapping like mad then. |
| 04:58.24 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 04:58.33 | KotCzarny | open terminal and check with iostat -k 1 |
| 04:58.42 | KotCzarny | or just: free |
| 04:58.57 | Wikiwide | Because el-v1.db is huge here. And tracker has thousands of files to track. |
| 04:59.18 | KotCzarny | dont use tracker and switch to directory based player? |
| 05:00.16 | Wikiwide | Why? On the opposite, I want a ebook reader which uses tracker to display a bookshelf with epub/pdf/djvu files. |
| 05:00.17 | KotCzarny | (i should make my oscv more touch friendly and compile for n900 one day) |
| 05:01.09 | KotCzarny | for now just check with 'top' and shift-m what are biggest memory eaters right now |
| 05:01.31 | Wikiwide | I should also figure out a way for emails to be stored on MyDocs, instead of /home. Or find out a way to cull useless emails from my 3GB GMail. |
| 05:03.25 | Wikiwide | Browserd for browser, Xorg, browserd for Conversations, browser, modest take up 50% of memory usage altogether. |
| 05:04.23 | Wikiwide | Where do I find "debian" packages older than wheezy? Backports or something? Glabels, for example? |
| 05:04.46 | KotCzarny | there is archive.debian.org or something |
| 05:04.51 | Wikiwide | Thank you for shift+m, didn't know that about top :-) |
| 05:04.54 | KotCzarny | just google for: mc lenny |
| 05:05.12 | KotCzarny | it should find where old repos are |
| 05:05.29 | KotCzarny | yeah, and shift-p for cpu usage |
| 05:05.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:06.14 | KotCzarny | and on multi-cpu systems pressing '1' will show cpu usage per core |
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| 05:30.16 | Wikiwide | Arm architecture is not accepted by dpkg, see http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glabels/ ; and the versions with armel architecture require libc6 2.6 or 2.7, whereas maemo 5 fremantle has libc6 2.5. |
| 05:34.25 | buZz | well |
| 05:34.34 | buZz | you could run devuan or debian |
| 05:34.47 | buZz | just ignore all the maemo stuff :) |
| 05:35.10 | Wikiwide | Run devuan or debian on Nokia N900? |
| 05:35.14 | buZz | yes |
| 05:35.24 | buZz | or postmarketos |
| 05:35.36 | buZz | i guess i'm preaching blasphemy here ;) |
| 05:35.40 | Wikiwide | About as likely as me running Maemo Leste on my N900. It's my everyday device. |
| 05:36.02 | buZz | ah yeah, i dont need phonecalls or a sim for everyday devices |
| 05:36.58 | buZz | but i guess that could get hard |
| 05:37.05 | buZz | postmarketos might have something for it though |
| 05:37.43 | buZz | seems none do calls , from https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices |
| 05:38.01 | buZz | but 2G works :) |
| 05:38.08 | Wikiwide | I like Maemo 5 Fremantle, thank you very much. Just wish it was upgraded - I guess that's what Leste is about. |
| 05:38.23 | Wikiwide | 2G is non-existent in Australia, literally. |
| 05:38.25 | buZz | hmhm |
| 05:38.28 | buZz | ah sad |
| 05:38.58 | buZz | you could perhaps softmodem over a voice line? :) |
| 05:40.16 | KotCzarny | Wikiwide: you need armel |
| 05:42.10 | KotCzarny | and etch/lenny |
| 05:43.12 | KotCzarny | otherwise you need to rebuild |
| 05:43.17 | KotCzarny | which might work |
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| 05:56.57 | Wikiwide | Glabels depends on dpkg? Sounds like badly managed dependencies. |
| 05:57.40 | KotCzarny | safer is to run it from de*an chroot |
| 06:02.01 | Wikiwide | Libebook-1.2-13, version 3.4.3, sounds like a strange approach t9 versioning. |
| 06:02.20 | Wikiwide | Libgdk-pixbuf is not in Maemo repositories. |
| 06:02.42 | Wikiwide | And, it's going to be painful: glabels depends on Gtk3 |
| 06:03.20 | KotCzarny | what about chroot way? |
| 06:03.46 | Wikiwide | Other than that, I would like something more plug-in oriented. Not everybody using glabels needs qrcode. |
| 06:04.07 | Wikiwide | KotCzarny : how does chroot work? Never used it before. |
| 06:04.31 | KotCzarny | using debian chroot means you arent messing the original system |
| 06:04.59 | Wikiwide | That's good, but... How do I install chroot? |
| 06:05.11 | Wikiwide | How much space does it require? |
| 06:05.13 | KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian |
| 06:05.18 | KotCzarny | dont know if it still works |
| 06:05.25 | KotCzarny | or if there is something newer |
| 06:05.48 | KotCzarny | also it seems to be for n8x0 |
| 06:05.49 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 06:05.57 | KotCzarny | there was one for fremantle too i think |
| 06:06.29 | KotCzarny | maybe it's for both, hmm, later in the text fremantle is also mentioned |
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| 06:06.50 | KotCzarny | just read whole page then |
| 06:16.31 | Wikiwide | List of dependencies is insane https://mirrors.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/print/glabels/README.html |
| 06:17.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:18.16 | KotCzarny | that's what you get for using gnome |
| 06:18.59 | brolin_empey | I used Easy Debian on fremantle. I never used any earlier version of Maemo because I wanted integrated cellular telephony + SMS capability. |
| 06:19.58 | Wikiwide | Easy-deb-chroot? |
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| 22:18.54 | brolin_empey | Oksana: Do you live in Australia? |
| 22:19.42 | brolin_empey | Hurrian? |