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| 00:19.42 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 02:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: LE is a) very centralized with possible single point of failure / attack vector for whole internet literally. b) trades in expense for increased complexity and I am one of those weird folks that thin sysadmin time is worth real money c) didn't work a felt 1 dozen times now for devuan, thanks to the aforementioned complexity *D*) doesn't allow cert-pinning *E*) isn't at all about authentication, now every silly script kiddie can |
| 02:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | get free-as-in-beer annonymous certs |
| 02:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nota Bene the whole thing is "let's ENCRYPT" _not_ "lets AUTHENTICATE" |
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| 02:39.24 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: You may have some valid points but part of the reason why I switched to using LE is to automate the process of renewing the certificate because I wanted to avoid outages caused by the certificate expiring and do not want to spend my time on a chore if the process can be automated. A computer should enable its user to work more efficiently by automating repetitive tasks, not to make the user work for the computer. |
| 02:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | balance for devuan (estimation): installing & configuring of LE on devuan servers: 3h, managing tickets, bugfixing and handling other fallout from outtime due to failed renewals during last 2 years: 5 * 3h (all incl chat and whatnot on admin meetings, customer support etc); TOTAL 18h * (don't beat me, I'd be more generous in RL) 20⬠= 360⬠TCO. /// For a simple 2year wildcard business cert: 1h handling aka 20⬠+ cert 180⬠= |
| 02:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | 200⬠|
| 02:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's *very* conservative and in favor of LE. I'd rather use a 50 to 100⬠per hour, and way more hours for handling the fallout / collateral damage, plus I'd factor in reputation damages too |
| 02:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | this would multiply the ratio by factor 10 |
| 03:02.40 | Maxdamantus | regarding the SPOF issue .. isn't the whole certificate system already subject to many points of failure? |
| 03:02.57 | Maxdamantus | Everyone already trusts every root CA. |
| 03:03.43 | Maxdamantus | Just have to hope that some CA doesn't authenticate some Iranian organisation or something as google.com |
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| 22:06.40 | Wikiwide | Finally managed to install Fritzing on Nokia N900. Tkgate is not installable because it requires too high libc6 version, I think. |
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| 22:08.03 | Wikiwide | Anybody wants to package Fritzing for Maemo? Just move .desktop file to suitable location and edit qt4 dependencies (all these 4:4.7.0 and 1:4.7.0 are making simple things complicated). |
| 22:08.53 | Wikiwide | Bonus for editing dependencies of libqt4-help from strict = to more comfortable >=. Fritzing depends on libqt4-help. |
| 22:09.58 | Wikiwide | And that's ancient Fritzing 0.6.3 from wheezy |
| 22:14.50 | Wikiwide | SparkFun... Let's see. |
| 22:15.30 | Wikiwide | Fritzing is quite slow. Should hildonise it some time... |
| 22:16.08 | Wikiwide | And Stellarium should become plug-in of 3D Mappero. Along with weather. |
| 22:17.03 | Wikiwide | And mbarcode should become plug-in of camera, if only to avoid switcheroo competition between them. |
| 22:17.32 | Wikiwide | Photos should become part of Media Player. |
| 22:18.37 | Wikiwide | Notes and Sketch could become one app. |
| 22:19.13 | Wikiwide | /me is a fan of decreasing length of app list |
| 22:24.35 | valerius | Wikiwide what is it Fritzing for? |
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| 22:28.15 | Wikiwide | Electrical circuits. Breadboard view, schematic view, PCB view. |
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| 22:33.15 | sixwheeledbeast | I imagine it takes some root space. I wouldn't want photos in my media player tbh |
| 22:34.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Use leafpad for notes but would prefer pluma/gedit, switchroo can but hacked with cl-launcher |
| 22:34.28 | sixwheeledbeast | s/but/be/ |
| 22:36.23 | sixwheeledbeast | I installed Fritzing on my desktop it seemed to make little sense and installed files in odd locations IIRC. |
| 22:46.31 | sixwheeledbeast | 0.9.x seems to use 9Mb of root on desktop, well over the 0.3Mb allowed by Maemo QA. |
| 22:49.59 | Maxdamantus | is a fan of not mashing pieces of software together into difficult-to-maintain monoliths, but is instead a fan of supporting the paradigm of having individual isolated lightweight applications/programs that tend to do one thing. |
| 22:50.51 | Maxdamantus | If we have proper isolation of applications at some point, making things like mbarcode a plugin of camera might just be unnecessarily giving a bunch of possibly insecure plugins access to your photos. |
| 22:51.43 | Maxdamantus | Wasn't there some bug in some messaging application in Android or something recently that sent people random photos from their library? |
| 22:52.19 | Maxdamantus | https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/07/a-bug-in-samsungs-default-texting-app-is-sending-random-pics-to-other-people/ |
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| 23:40.58 | Wikiwide | Cl-launcher is good point. I do not want monoliths - more like, plug-ins. Because mbarcode duplicates camera's functionality, to an extent. |
| 23:42.25 | Wikiwide | And yes, Fritzing alone takes 5MB of space. Hildonisation would be nice... Unless kicad can be installed, instead of Fritzing. |
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