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| 12:22.49 | sobukus | Anyone got experience getting USB audio working on a N800 with OS2008? |
| 12:23.21 | KotCzarny | yeah, works for some time then craps badly |
| 12:23.22 | sobukus | I'd like to continue using it as jukebox, got the USB hub and keyboard connected, also snd-usb-audio module loaded. |
| 12:23.29 | sobukus | craps? |
| 12:23.43 | KotCzarny | afair hardcrashes the kernel |
| 12:23.52 | KotCzarny | but it was LONG time ago |
| 12:24.03 | sobukus | My issue is that I cannot convince a player to use the device, although /proc/asound/cards suggests there is hw:1,0, that is not accepted. |
| 12:24.26 | KotCzarny | use the player that uses alsa, not oss/esd |
| 12:24.42 | sobukus | KotCzarny: I'm using my own build of mpg123/ |
| 12:24.54 | sobukus | is actually mpg123 upstream maintainer |
| 12:25.24 | KotCzarny | check what device it actually opens with strace |
| 12:26.36 | sobukus | I get snd_pcm_open_noupdate(): Unknown PCM hw:1,0 ⦠after telling mpg123 explicitly to use that (-o alsa -a hw:1,0) |
| 12:27.07 | KotCzarny | try 1.0 ? |
| 12:27.11 | KotCzarny | (wild guess) |
| 12:27.15 | sobukus | The /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf has some trickery to route ALSA to ESD, I presume ⦠that's why the default device plays through the speakers. |
| 12:27.33 | sobukus | nah |
| 12:28.51 | sobukus | What is also strange, I cannot get a listing of ALSA devices using snd_device_name_hint() because that errors out on the card 0 that only has a control, but no pcm. |
| 12:29.12 | sobukus | I wonder how "normal" the ALSA setup on OS2008 is. |
| 12:29.13 | KotCzarny | i would assume they've hacked alsa hard |
| 12:29.40 | KotCzarny | try static compile of mpg123 with libasound |
| 12:29.56 | KotCzarny | vanilla one, not the sdk one |
| 12:30.28 | sobukus | Hm. So far I just built things on the device itself. You mean I should try to cross-compile a normal libasound ⦠|
| 12:30.49 | sobukus | Or, hm, I could just try to build a vanilla one (old source tarball) ⦠|
| 12:30.53 | KotCzarny | since you are in fiddling mode, yeah |
| 12:31.10 | KotCzarny | or check what patches the sdk one has |
| 12:31.44 | sobukus | To be sure: 1.0.14sa-2maemo2 is a version hacked by Nokia? |
| 12:31.52 | KotCzarny | but i think i was using usbaudio with n800 and some player |
| 12:32.28 | KotCzarny | disclaimer: i havent touched n800 sdk for many years |
| 12:32.46 | sobukus | I'll try to download some alsa-lib and alsa-utils sources to test things. |
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| 12:34.12 | sobukus | Of course I know that it's a bit silly hanging onto the old beast for that. |
| 12:34.28 | KotCzarny | n800 is nice |
| 12:35.06 | KotCzarny | i've turned mine into audio box with my audio player |
| 12:35.22 | sobukus | I had a HP Jornada 720 here for a short period ⦠can take large SD cards via CF for music and has built-in keyboard for easy control ⦠but the onboard sound is crappy. |
| 12:35.40 | KotCzarny | yup, same with n800 |
| 12:35.44 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly |
| 12:35.59 | sobukus | N800 might be able to use proper DAC via usb ⦠as the audio playback is not that suberb with the onboard ESD-stype thingie. |
| 12:36.25 | sobukus | The noise might be OK, but I struggle to have gapless playback ⦠it has the odd interruption from time to time. |
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| 12:52.37 | sobukus | Oh, the bloat ⦠libncurses5-dev needs 5M of storage (needed for alsa-utils). But it's really nice that the repos for apt are still present! |
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| 12:58.44 | Maxdamantus | You should be able to uninstall libncurses5-dev after using it to build whatever you need. |
| 13:00.26 | sobukus | yeah |
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| 13:01.18 | sobukus | I still got whopping 45.5M free on / ;-) |
| 13:01.39 | KotCzarny | moving /usr/include to sdcard works ok |
| 13:01.48 | KotCzarny | as long you have ext2/3/4 there |
| 13:01.58 | KotCzarny | pop a symlink and it's ok |
| 13:02.11 | KotCzarny | same for /usr/lib/gccsomething |
| 13:02.30 | sobukus | Yes, I got a 32G sd card with ex |
| 13:02.31 | sobukus | t |
| 13:02.38 | sobukus | (and another one full with music) |
| 13:02.54 | sobukus | I wonder, though, would the n800 take larger ones? |
| 13:02.59 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 13:03.24 | KotCzarny | i think there is a thread for that on tmo [tm] |
| 13:04.50 | sobukus | I'll try my 200G one;-) |
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| 13:06.13 | sobukus | alsa-utils 1.0.14 built ⦠aplay -l complains about Invalid CTL hw:0 and Invalid CTL hw:1 |
| 13:06.32 | KotCzarny | update your asound.conf to include ctl nodes too |
| 13:07.00 | Maxdamantus | In general, SD sizes are not compatibility issues, unless you're using a device with a funny operating system that might have been designed without considering large sizes. |
| 13:07.51 | sobukus | KotCzarny: the /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf has ctl.!default ⦠but it is this dsp_ctl thing that redirects to /dev/dsptask |
| 13:08.13 | sobukus | and ctl.!master{ type hw; card 0 } |
| 13:08.41 | sobukus | I'd figure that the bare hw: devices should be visible without an alsa config, no? |
| 13:09.20 | KotCzarny | try playing only with card 1 (the usb one) |
| 13:09.29 | KotCzarny | playing / fiddling |
| 13:10.11 | sobukus | Do you mean in the alsa.conf / asoundrc? Because that is what confuses me ⦠I cannot make things use hw:1,0 |
| 13:10.21 | sobukus | trying a vanilla build of alsa-lib |
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| 13:10.30 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.54 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.04 | sobukus | KotCzarny: by default, there is no /etc/asound.conf here |
| 13:12.27 | KotCzarny | make one? |
| 13:12.50 | sobukus | I'm using bare ALSA on my linux desktops ⦠I don't need any asound.conf if I don't want to cofigure some plugins (like 5.1 â 2.0 mixing). |
| 13:13.16 | sobukus | What would I write into an asound.conf for "just give me the bare devices"? |
| 13:13.23 | KotCzarny | i usually dont touch system's config files, only the one in /etc or ~ |
| 13:14.06 | KotCzarny | try that one: https://pastebin.com/raw/981gYD5a |
| 13:14.24 | KotCzarny | it's copied from example when default card is the wrong one |
| 13:15.41 | sobukus | Yeah, I tried something similar before. I'm testing your example in /etc/asound.conf to be sure |
| 13:18.20 | sobukus | Heh. System freeze. Reboot. |
| 13:18.24 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:18.25 | KotCzarny | told'ya |
| 13:18.37 | sobukus | too bad |
| 13:18.41 | KotCzarny | i think it's power related |
| 13:18.53 | sobukus | Uh? The USB device is externally powered. |
| 13:18.57 | KotCzarny | because it was working sometimes, and crapping sometimes |
| 13:19.05 | sobukus | I have the n800 hooked up to a powered hub. |
| 13:19.18 | KotCzarny | since when n800 takes power from hub? |
| 13:19.29 | sobukus | The USB audio takes power from hub. |
| 13:19.34 | KotCzarny | ahm, k |
| 13:19.58 | sobukus | And the n800, actually, since I got it hooked with a USB power cable I had from a Nokia phone. |
| 13:20.40 | KotCzarny | without serial cable it's hard to debug hard crashes |
| 13:20.54 | KotCzarny | that's why i'm only guessing |
| 13:21.15 | KotCzarny | maybe you can try connecting usbaudio directly? |
| 13:21.20 | sobukus | I wonder if the device will come back ⦠since it'll try to use /etc/asound.conf ⦠|
| 13:21.36 | sobukus | Didn't the n800 not supply power at all? |
| 13:22.10 | KotCzarny | i think in my experiments i was using simple usbotg cable |
| 13:23.23 | sobukus | Hm. I guess I should be using a RasPi for stuff like that ⦠or, Lord behold, an actual dedicated music player with Rockbox. |
| 13:23.34 | KotCzarny | hmm, if i find my microusbotg cable i might check |
| 13:23.46 | KotCzarny | nah, never a raspi |
| 13:23.51 | sobukus | hehe |
| 13:23.52 | KotCzarny | overpiced and crippled |
| 13:24.03 | KotCzarny | oranges + good dac/amp are good idea tho |
| 13:24.51 | KotCzarny | for casual listening even onboard audio is ok paired with pam based microamp |
| 13:25.11 | KotCzarny | https://imgur.com/a/jFygV |
| 13:25.21 | sobukus | I got a monster amp with two bridged TPA3110D2;-) |
| 13:25.33 | KotCzarny | i've bought tpa3116 recently |
| 13:25.44 | KotCzarny | will use it soon |
| 13:26.03 | sobukus | But indeed also a little speaker built with flexible air duct as casing that has a PAM inside, usually powered by solar cells;-) |
| 13:26.06 | KotCzarny | pity there are still no 325X solutions yet |
| 13:26.33 | sobukus | 3116 is nice, has plenty of power for normal HiFi listening |
| 13:26.34 | KotCzarny | those seem better (according to spec sheets) |
| 13:27.39 | sobukus | Also I learned that these amps do not care about noisy psus (burst mode) ⦠you only need to take care of the preamp (little linear psu). |
| 13:29.06 | KotCzarny | btw. i've added boot menu to my n800, so i can choose what and where it shall boot |
| 13:29.08 | sobukus | my desktop amp with the two 3110 uses one noisy psu just with a normal linear regulator (not low drop) for the preamp (lm1036). Noise level is OK-ish with that. |
| 13:29.21 | sobukus | My n800 seems to be in a boot loop now. |
| 13:29.59 | sobukus | How do I get rid of the /etc/asound.conf now? |
| 13:30.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 13:30.31 | sobukus | I don't blame you ⦠I was careless. |
| 13:30.50 | KotCzarny | i need to refresh my diablo memory |
| 13:31.10 | sobukus | I guess there's a rescue shell in the initrd? |
| 13:31.26 | KotCzarny | n900 can boot from usb |
| 13:31.35 | KotCzarny | i wonder if n800 has similar capability |
| 13:32.29 | sobukus | Hey, it came back! After pulling the battery, I got a desktop now again. |
| 13:32.41 | KotCzarny | make a backup |
| 13:32.50 | KotCzarny | and/or add sdcard booting option |
| 13:32.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:32.56 | sobukus | and how'd I restore if it is bricked? |
| 13:33.03 | sobukus | yeah, booting options |
| 13:33.21 | KotCzarny | cloning os to sdcard helps |
| 13:33.58 | KotCzarny | and generally i've left working os on internal flash and only fiddle with sdcard |
| 13:34.34 | KotCzarny | flasher-3.0 --set-root-device mmc |
| 13:34.50 | KotCzarny | interestingly you can also set boot device via flasher |
| 13:35.04 | sobukus | sudo hm, never used that |
| 13:35.24 | sobukus | I actually only got the n800 used and it always was a jukebox without further fiddling |
| 13:35.39 | sobukus | it tries to power the audio device, btw, without the hub. |
| 13:35.55 | sobukus | I just don't have the virtual keyboard anymore then, as it thinks there is a USB hid. |
| 13:36.11 | KotCzarny | ssh? |
| 13:36.36 | sobukus | Uh ⦠I could ⦠from the phone that does the WLAN hotspot ⦠|
| 13:37.14 | sobukus | Just tried the playback again ⦠it is consistent: crash, immediate |
| 13:38.27 | KotCzarny | also, try different usbaudio card |
| 13:39.03 | sobukus | hm, the device crashes again when it would want to play a sound |
| 13:39.18 | sobukus | I need to be careful to delete the asound.conf without causing a beep. |
| 13:39.18 | KotCzarny | maybe change !default into some card name |
| 13:46.59 | KotCzarny | just booted my n800, i have the config i've pasted with !default changed into usb |
| 13:47.33 | sobukus | and? |
| 13:47.44 | KotCzarny | dont have my miniusbotg cable here |
| 13:48.24 | KotCzarny | i will try to remember to check it later this week tho |
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| 13:50.08 | sobukus | Oh, no bother ⦠but I'll hang around here for the case you do;-) |
| 13:52.09 | KotCzarny | another thing is i've modified ~/.asoundrc |
| 14:02.41 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.46 | sobukus | hm |
| 14:03.03 | sobukus | I'm waiting for it to get out of the boot loop this second time |
| 14:03.04 | KotCzarny | so my experiments were tied to running commands as root |
| 14:22.50 | sobukus | me, got rid of /etc/asound.conf, but triggered a reboot now as root with asoundrc |
| 14:23.10 | sobukus | and now the display faded with an eerie hardware effect |
| 14:23.35 | KotCzarny | got another usbaudio dongle? |
| 14:23.55 | sobukus | not right now |
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| 22:04.31 | brolin_empey | Why does sso.godaddy.com currently resolve with 1.1.1.1 (CloudFlare public DNS) but not with Google public DNS nor with the DNS of my ISP (Telus in Metro Vancouver, Canada)? 0_o I need to update some DNS records for a customer whose domain name is hosted by GoDaddy but I cannot access the GoDaddy account because of this problem. |
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| 22:35.55 | brolin_empey | The problem now seems to be resolved, no pun intended. |
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