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07:21.13Vajbjust for the hint. I've been wondering why my device has become sluggish and now i realised that I had logging enabled in pidgin and it had gathered around 200mb of logs. Deleted those and it seems to be solved.
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07:22.45KotCzarnyyou talk a lot
07:26.51sicelo:D
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07:48.30Vajbit's been awhile :p
07:49.07Vajbalso i have few "noisy" groups
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08:27.39siceloyou log in html or txt?
08:47.12Vajbmust be also that. Html
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12:05.18siceloi wonder if meego 1.3 ce images for N900 are still available somewhere
12:22.40bencohI kinda remember trying it, probably download from nemomobie
12:22.51bencohor from some mirror
12:23.02bencohdownloaded* nemomobile*
12:32.50sicelofound them,
12:33.09sicelorepository.maemo.org in fact :)
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12:45.15bencohhm, indeed
12:45.22bencohalthough I couldn't find 1.3 there
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18:56.02Kabouik_Seems proxy.sh IPs are getting banned by TMO. Is that final? I'm not a spambot.
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18:58.00KotCzarnybut others using them are
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19:44.01DocScrutinizer05Kabouik_: it's a RBL thing that sucks BIG TIME in tmo, like "WHY THE HECK do you böock *READING*???"
19:44.59DocScrutinizer05any spambot can't do shit to tmo unless going rhrough registration/login page which should be the ONLy ONE page with RBL control
19:45.55DocScrutinizer05I might discuss if "search" should get protected to, for the computational overhead it triggers
19:46.04DocScrutinizer05too*
19:46.26KotCzarnyyou are wrong
19:46.33KotCzarnyregisteration can be done from random ip
19:46.49KotCzarnybut reading should be allowed
19:46.49DocScrutinizer05but as skilled and savvy as our sysops and admins usually are, they seem to fail epically on this particular topic
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19:47.48sicelodoes the forum software have features for that?
19:47.58DocScrutinizer05prrof for failure in administration: similar shite not seen anywhere else
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19:49.39DocScrutinizer05sicelo: nfc, I'd bet it has, since it's nothing particularly special, it's a off-the-shelf BB software
19:50.17DocScrutinizer05when a bazillion other fora can do it, why can't we?
19:51.25DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: please come again, you arived totally garbled
19:55.19sixwheeledbeastI get the feeling from conversations I have had there is concern due to the old and mostly unknown software. So higher risk IP's are just blocked as there are limited resources for monitoring it regularly.
19:56.25DocScrutinizer05what is it? phpBB?
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19:56.39DocScrutinizer05I think we should get an update
19:58.09DocScrutinizer05>>Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8<<
19:59.14DocScrutinizer05https://www.vbulletin.com/  version5 now
20:02.47DocScrutinizer05around 250 bucks which maemo should be able to afford
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20:03.11Kabouik_Thanks for the answers. Well it's sad, proxy.sh is a good VPN service and all VPN users are not spambots. I do understand that there is no better solution, but it's a bit like throwing the baby with the bathwater.
20:03.39DocScrutinizer05the "OHNOES 10 bucks??? but we have devels that could do something better in less than 6 months" is a red herring
20:03.48KotCzarnyKabouik_: btw.:
20:03.51KotCzarny~unbanip
20:03.51infobotmethinks unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it
20:04.49Kabouik_But it's a VPN, my IP will change every day, I suppose the whole block would need to be unbanned, which would defeat the point if spambots are on the same block
20:05.07DocScrutinizer05~literal unbanip
20:05.07infobot"#maemo unbanip" is "please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it"
20:05.20KotCzarnygrab some paid vpn/proxy?
20:05.24Kabouik_It's paid
20:05.25KotCzarnypublic ones are prone to abuse
20:05.32Kabouik_Which is why I'm a bit sad about this massive ban.
20:05.48KotCzarnymaybe it's still too cheap for some spammers
20:05.57DocScrutinizer05~#maemo unbanip is also tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam
20:05.57infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
20:06.08Kabouik_Yeah probably but then I'm not going to go for the expensive ones just because they are not attractive
20:06.26KotCzarnywhy not just connect direct/
20:06.44DocScrutinizer05why not fix this bullshit?
20:07.05Kabouik_I'm living abroad and use IPs in my home country to watch georestricted stuff
20:08.03KotCzarnymaemo sites shouldnt be georestricted
20:08.25Kabouik_No Maemo isn't but I have only one IP at a time
20:08.32DocScrutinizer05maemo sites are doing evil, relying on RBL for blocking *reading*
20:09.08DocScrutinizer05there's no sane rationale for that
20:09.32DocScrutinizer05using a VPN is recommended best practice for privacy
20:09.51Kabouik_Reading would be an improvement DocScrutinizer05, but in fact I would be frustrated too if I couldn't post. But again, I'm not complaining, I did witness these spambots on TMO and that was bad. But it's really frustrating that there's no more selective solution in place. Wouldn't it be possible to have a recaptcha at registration? Is recaptcha already outdated?
20:10.10KotCzarnyKabouik_: still, if the ips are still in some tight range, it might be worth a try to try and unban them
20:10.26DocScrutinizer05Kabouik_: no idea
20:10.36Kabouik_I have no idea, I'll send my IP to chem|st just in case
20:12.16DocScrutinizer05even IFF you encounter "DoS" from massive reading via VPN, you handle that by a time limited fail2ban entry
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20:13.59DocScrutinizer05again, I don't see similar complaints about similar practices on any other arbitrary fora
20:14.57DocScrutinizer05hell, PrivateInternetAccess sponsors Neo900, yet PIA IPs are blocked on tmo
20:15.32DocScrutinizer05which makes me ponmder that I can't keep Neo900 affiliation to maemo
20:16.42DocScrutinizer05how does that smell, to recommend using PIA on tmo, and when you do you can't use tmo anymore
20:17.01DocScrutinizer05>:-(
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20:18.18DocScrutinizer05but alas chem|st doesn't see *any* problem in all this, and doesn't even want to consider how to solve the issue
20:20.49DocScrutinizer05~listvlues tmo rbl
20:20.56DocScrutinizer05~listvalues tmo rbl
20:21.05DocScrutinizer05~listvalues tmo*rbl
20:21.21DocScrutinizer05~unbanip
20:21.21infobotrumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it, or tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam
20:23.42DocScrutinizer05already pondered to set up an open proxy that forwards to tmo exclusively, on neo900.org
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20:24.18DocScrutinizer05but then... WAAAAAAHGRRRRRR!
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