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| 01:57.05 | sunshavi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.21 | sunshavi | is there a way for sending files by bluetooth from command line on n900? |
| 01:57.25 | sunshavi | obexftp? |
| 01:57.37 | sunshavi | or python script? |
| 02:07.17 | jonwil | I DID IT. |
| 02:07.27 | jonwil | I got TLS1.2 support into QT 4.7.4 on Maemo! |
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| 02:40.24 | Vajb | \o/ nice jonwil |
| 02:41.54 | jonwil | Just need to finish uploading things :) |
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| 03:00.39 | Vajb | will it be in repos when you get it ready? |
| 03:00.50 | Oksana | jonwil : Great :-) Fahrplan, right? Remind me to try it - I call 131500 from time to time, and it would be nice to have the app working instead of voice-calling every time a bus runs late. |
| 03:00.51 | Vajb | i mean the ff24 |
| 03:02.55 | Oksana | Will Gtk+Hildon apps benefit from TLS1.2 support in openssl? I often see MicroB complaining about lack of common encryption algorithms on https:// websites. |
| 03:06.27 | jonwil | microb doesn't use openssl at all |
| 03:07.22 | jonwil | ff24 is a long way from being done |
| 03:12.05 | jonwil | Oksana: I have no idea about the working of the 131500 parser but its not using SSL by the look of it. |
| 03:12.56 | Oksana | All the better, in the sense that I don't need to think about update reaching repositories. Installing Fahrplan now... |
| 03:14.13 | jonwil | Which Fahrplan version are you going with then? |
| 03:16.02 | Oksana | 0.0.37 |
| 03:16.19 | jonwil | Yeah that should be fine for 131500 |
| 03:18.00 | Oksana | wonders what is Translink - Australia |
| 03:18.01 | jonwil | As for OpenSSL and other apps, things need to be recompiled and link to OpenSSL 1.1 to get TLS 1.2 support in there |
| 03:18.08 | jonwil | Translink is the network I use |
| 03:18.10 | jonwil | the one I added |
| 03:18.13 | jonwil | QLD |
| 03:18.59 | Oksana | Ah, okay. I was wondering about Melbourne, will be travelling here for a day or three in July. Hopefully. If everything goes well. |
| 03:19.33 | Oksana | But I will most likely be walking more than anything else. |
| 03:22.35 | Oksana | doesn't think that "launch GPS on start up" is working |
| 03:22.44 | jonwil | I went to Melbourne in 2010 for a LEGO show, it was fun and I would like to go back |
| 03:23.03 | jonwil | Yeah GPS isn't always working for me |
| 03:23.07 | jonwil | And I haven't been able to debug why |
| 03:23.32 | Oksana | Throbber animation is nice, but no idea how to provide a valid station. It always says "Station not found" |
| 03:23.55 | jonwil | NSW wasn't written by me |
| 03:24.01 | jonwil | so I have in idea why its not working |
| 03:24.37 | Oksana | Hmm... Link to code? Would like to have a look... |
| 03:25.20 | Oksana | C++ , right? Going by parser131500ComAu::getStationsByName |
| 03:25.36 | jonwil | Yeah its C++ |
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| 03:26.07 | Oksana | is rusty, but could at least look for something |
| 03:28.46 | jonwil | https://github.com/jonwil/fahrplan/ has the current code |
| 03:29.13 | jonwil | My guess is that whatever backend URL NSW is using has changed and its no longer compatible |
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| 03:36.40 | Oksana | sighs and goes to log in to GitHub |
| 03:37.06 | Oksana | It's not 131500.com.au anymore, it's TransportNSW.info, and it doesn't care about am or pm |
| 03:37.37 | jonwil | Ok so it looks like it needs a change to the URL its using |
| 03:38.14 | Oksana | A solid change. Let me see... |
| 03:38.59 | Oksana | It doesn't have separate variables like &itd_itdTimeHour for Date, Hour and Minute - it just has &dateTime=201806131340 |
| 03:41.25 | Oksana | is forking this file, to submit pull request later. Hopefully. |
| 03:43.38 | jonwil | If you come up with a fix, I will push a new deb file (since I imagine you probably dont have a dev environment :) |
| 03:46.32 | Oksana | Would be nice, thank you :-) I just hope there isn't too much to change |
| 03:48.09 | jonwil | Its not hard to build a new deb for Fahrplan |
| 03:48.27 | jonwil | Although needless to say the new deb I build will need the new QT and new OpenSSL :) |
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| 03:53.09 | Oksana | transportnsw.info seems to use https. While 131500.com.au used to be http. Would http->setHost(url.host(), QHttp::ConnectionModeHttp, url.port() == -1 ? 0 : url.port()); work still? |
| 03:53.47 | Oksana | Or do I need to change to http->setHost(url.host(), QHttp::ConnectionModeHttps, url.port() == -1 ? 0 : url.port()); ? |
| 04:01.57 | Oksana | Darn... Is html parsing really the ideal way to handle results of the journey request? |
| 04:16.53 | Oksana | looks around for a better API, while simultaneously attempting to decode large amount of nested divs |
| 04:26.06 | Oksana | curses quietly |
| 04:27.51 | Oksana | JSON is a far better way for an app to receive results from transport website, compared against bulky HTML. However, this json uses ancient formatting of the URL, which means... Lots of Ctrl+Z |
| 04:34.25 | jonwil | No idea |
| 04:34.50 | jonwil | I dont know how the website for transportnsw works |
| 04:35.11 | jonwil | As for SSL, take a look at what I have done in parser_translink.cpp to see how I did it. |
| 04:35.20 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1545412#post1545412 |
| 04:35.44 | jonwil | New fahrplan with the working Translink backend |
| 04:35.59 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100352 is the new QT |
| 04:36.24 | Oksana | Any idea how to send header with https link? For authentication? |
| 04:46.45 | jonwil | Have a look at how I did it via QHttpRequestHeader |
| 04:47.40 | Oksana | nods and thinks that Translink, thankfully, also has json |
| 04:48.19 | jonwil | Yes it does json parsing |
| 05:44.34 | brolin_empey | Is there an intentional connection between Steve Jobs reportedly owning an air-cooled vehicle (Volkswagen Type 2) and wanting to avoid use of a fan in the computers sold by his company (Apple Computer Inc.)? |
| 05:45.55 | Oksana | Fans are noisy, dusty, and require maintenance. |
| 05:46.35 | Oksana | What's the difference between GET and POST, when using QHttpRequestHeader ? |
| 05:48.28 | jonwil | POST is for when you have data to attach (i.e. form post data) |
| 05:48.39 | jonwil | Which one you use depends on what the site itself needs |
| 05:49.12 | jonwil | If you have a browser with a web developer toolbox or something, you could sniff the connections being made and see whether its using get or post... |
| 05:49.23 | brolin_empey | A fan can be inaudible and not require maintenance for the expected service lifetime of the device containing the fan. |
| 05:49.26 | Oksana | Site says "curl -X GET --header 'Accept: application/json' ..." |
| 05:50.05 | Oksana | Fan doesn't sound like it's waterproof, or foolproof |
| 05:51.28 | brolin_empey | Is not a propeller basically a fan that moves water instead of air? |
| 05:52.14 | brolin_empey | I mean on a watercraft, not an aircraft. I thought it is at least somewhat analogous. |
| 05:52.30 | Oksana | Yes, but then you need to waterproof/insulate the connection between fan-chamber (exterior, air or water or dust) and interior (PCB and electricity), while still having excellent heat conduction. |
| 05:53.37 | Oksana | Otherwise, it does sound interesting - a lighter-than-water laptop which can use its fans for propelling itself in the water. |
| 05:53.57 | Oksana | Or phone ^ |
| 05:54.39 | Oksana | But then fan would need gears for switching between air and water. Because these two liquids are quite different. |
| 05:54.48 | Oksana | fluids * |
| 05:55.46 | jonwil | Its great to have the current OpenSSL release running on Maemo Fremantle |
| 05:56.22 | jonwil | Although the idea that someone had a while back to produce a shim library to map 0.9.8 to 1.1.0 isn't really possible. |
| 05:56.26 | brolin_empey | I wonder if Rudolf Diesel used a motorcycle because his motorcycle would be a Diesel motorcycle in a sense. |
| 05:57.22 | jonwil | Not sure which of the closed packages that are linking to the old OpenSSL present a security risk and which dont |
| 05:58.18 | jonwil | Some can probably be dropped without too many people getting annoyed (I doubt anyone is using a N900 to talk to an ActiveSync MS email server anymore...) |
| 06:00.52 | Oksana | What is loop.exec(); for? I think I got how header works with GET method. |
| 06:01.32 | freemangordon | jonwil: I am using my n900 for exchange mail |
| 06:01.54 | jonwil | Ok so as-daemon is not obsolete then |
| 06:01.59 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 06:02.17 | Oksana | I did use Mail for Exchange (Active Sync?) recently. I am using IMAP now, though. But I still sync with Microsoft-based Calendar and Contacts. |
| 06:03.52 | Oksana | IMAP works fine (I think), but I was very annoyed when an email I sent from N900 didn't show up in Microsoft-based email's "Sent" folder. It's like, if my N900 breaks down, then I will have no way to see which letters I sent? Why doesn't server keep a copy in "Sent" folder? |
| 06:04.05 | jonwil | In any case I have clearly shown that its possible to mix 1.1.0 and 0.9.8 on the one system without any problems. |
| 06:04.16 | Oksana | nods |
| 06:04.48 | jonwil | The only question therefore is which of the packages linking to 0.9.8 9 (closed or open) represent a real security risk and therefore need to be dealt with. |
| 06:05.24 | Oksana | That's what the major version changes are for. Firefox clearly disregards this, since I cannot even remember which Firefox versions are major milestones (like, dropped support for XUL interface, NPAPI plugins, and so on) |
| 06:06.00 | brolin_empey | Is TLS truly useful considering that the encryption can be subverted (maybe not the best verb to use) by a government? |
| 06:06.52 | Oksana | brolin_empey : How so? Do they need server's agreement (backdoor) for that? Or is it a genuine weakness in TLS algorithm itself? |
| 06:07.42 | Oksana | thinks that it would be nice to have GPG-or-something commonly used for emails, but not sure if Modest supports this |
| 06:08.34 | jonwil | I have yet to see any compromise of the encryption used with TLS or any other major internet security protocol. The weaknesses mostly have to do with the fact that the current model of certificate authorities used for SSL/TLS is totally broken and there isn't much interest from anyone to actually turn the proposals to replace CAs from proposals and presentations snd documents into actual... |
| 06:08.35 | jonwil | ...real-world code... |
| 06:10.49 | jonwil | So we end up with bandages on top like public key pinning and other stuff rather than moving away from CAs altogether in favor of something better. |
| 06:12.13 | jonwil | Freemangordon: Are your clones of connui-internet and connui-wlan complete? Do they contain anything Leste specific or could they work as a drop-in replacement on Fremantle? |
| 06:13.15 | brolin_empey | Oksana: Plug-ins for the NPAPI use native code, which, for consumer stuff in the 1990s and 2000s, probably mostly means x86 and maybe PowerPC, not ARM. If you want to use a closed-source plug-in not released for ARM then NPAPI support on an ARM computer, such as the N900, is not useful as far as I know. |
| 06:15.20 | jonwil | Now that I got Fahrplan going again, the next plan I guess is to keep working on Firefox 24. Unfortunately that's a much trickier job than OpenSSL, QT and Fahrplan was. |
| 06:16.57 | brolin_empey | I suspect that part of the motivation to replace NPAPI was because NPAPI plug-ins use native code. |
| 06:17.26 | freemangordon | jonwil: not 100% sure, but the should be drop-in replacement |
| 06:17.50 | jonwil | But are they complete? |
| 06:18.01 | freemangordon | no eapd and wps |
| 06:18.21 | freemangordon | they're replaced with wpa-supplicant |
| 06:18.34 | Oksana | jonwil : What is loop? I don't understand how loop.exec(); works when there is no definition of loop anywhere. Unless it's a magical keyword, like for and wait and if? |
| 06:18.44 | jonwil | loop is declared in another file |
| 06:18.54 | jonwil | parser_abstract.h |
| 06:18.57 | freemangordon | but it is Wizzup with the details as he was working in it lately |
| 06:19.03 | Oksana | Huh, okay. Thank you :-) |
| 06:19.22 | jonwil | Basically loop.exec will wait until one of the signals is signaled |
| 06:20.26 | jonwil | The connect lines in parserTranslink::parserTranslink are part of it |
| 06:20.36 | jonwil | httpRequestFinished then causes the loop to stop executing |
| 06:20.45 | jonwil | and progress returns to the line after the loop.exec statement |
| 06:20.46 | freemangordon | jonwil: but yes, they are complete, we have working wifi (more or less) on leste with icd2 |
| 06:20.49 | jonwil | httpRequestFinished is also in parser_Abstract |
| 06:25.17 | jonwil | Oksana: if you copy what I have done for Translink and adjust the parameters and URLs and things as appropriate, it should work |
| 06:26.59 | Oksana | jonwil : Thank you, working on it. Why does https://github.com/jonwil/fahrplan/blob/master/parser_translink.cpp have "bool ok;" in lines 256 and 293? |
| 06:27.40 | jonwil | Probably just some leftover I forgot to remove |
| 06:31.48 | Oksana | 38363 lines in one json... What is TransportNSW thinking? |
| 06:33.16 | jonwil | Thank god QJson makes it so easy to parse that stuff and grab the values needed |
| 06:34.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:34.34 | KotCzarny | at least they server that json with compression? |
| 06:34.38 | KotCzarny | *serve |
| 06:35.07 | brolin_empey | Oksana: It seems that âencryptionâ was a poor choice of term. I meant what jonwil was saying that the infrastructure of TLS has problems. Well, actually, even if the CA system was replaced by a different system, is not it still possible for a government to require network/service providers to provide access to the government? |
| 06:35.18 | Oksana | No idea. It's application/json, interactive example shown in https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/601/exploreapi#!/default/tfnsw_trip_request2 |
| 06:36.13 | Oksana | brolin_empey : That's why peer-to-peer would be nice. But then, TLS can be used for P2P, as well, not only for client-server connections? |
| 06:37.32 | Oksana | Is there a pastebin capable of handling such an amount of data? |
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| 06:38.06 | bencoh | Oksana: the "issue" isn't p2p vs client-server connections, but p2p trust vs the current star-like "chain" of trust |
| 06:39.32 | Oksana | bencoh : Yes, current star-like chain of trust is strange. I may trust a website, to an extent, but I have no idea about issues of certificates. |
| 06:40.37 | Oksana | issuers * |
| 06:50.47 | Oksana | {version, systemMessages, journeys: [{rating, isAdditional, interchanges, legs: [{duration, origin, destination, transportation, hints, stopSequence, infos, coords, properties},{}]},{}]} |
| 06:52.47 | jonwil | If the systems that have been proposed as replacement for CAs were adopted and if they had good encryption built in from the start, it would be very difficult to get at whatever data is flowing over the pipes even if you were able to somehow obtain the private keys from the server end. |
| 06:54.20 | jonwil | The big problem with CAs really is that its possible for any of the many CAs out there to create bogus certificates for websites |
| 06:54.26 | jonwil | and use them for man-in-the-middle attacks and things. |
| 06:55.18 | jonwil | A new system that prevented such a thing by more closely tying the certificate/key info to the actual owner of the domain would be good. |
| 06:56.44 | KotCzarny | that's the 'authority' part |
| 06:57.30 | brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Yes, good point. |
| 06:58.18 | Oksana | >> Waiting for your fork⦠<< Brilliant, GitHub. |
| 06:58.32 | KotCzarny | oksana: ask for a knife too, just in case |
| 07:05.18 | jonwil | Many experts have said that the current CA system is broken. |
| 07:05.47 | jonwil | Some CAs do the right thing and ensure the certificate is legitimate. |
| 07:06.38 | jonwil | But many don't necessarily follow the rules. Or they get hacked (DigiNotar anyone?) |
| 07:07.51 | jonwil | Or you get someone like China forcing a CA in that country to generate certificates for their own nefarious purposes. |
| 07:07.52 | Oksana | KotCzarny : The same message, still. I think K-Meleon isn't particularly supported by GitHub. |
| 07:08.31 | jonwil | What exactly are you trying to do on github? |
| 07:09.40 | Oksana | Editing parser_131500comau.cpp. Aka "Youâre editing a file in a project you donât have write access to. Weâve created a fork of this project for you to commit your proposed changes to. Submitting a change to this file will write it to a new branch in your fork, so you can send a pull request. " |
| 07:09.58 | Oksana | just went to SeaMonkey |
| 07:10.33 | jonwil | Replacing CAs with something like DANE or the EFF Sovereign Keys proposal (or the proposals out there for a web of trust where certificates and keys are signed by multiple entities and then your client figures out how trustworthy it is based on who has signed it) would be much better than the current CA system |
| 07:17.45 | brolin_empey | jonwil: I was going to mention the âPeopleâs Republic of Chinaâ but I did not but now I do not have to. I do not contract âPeopleâs Republic of Chinaâ to âChinaâ, though, because the Republic of China still exists. |
| 07:19.01 | Maxdamantus | You mean Taiwain? |
| 07:20.14 | brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: Yes, the Republic of China since 1949. |
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| 07:30.15 | Oksana | jonwil : Is "QStringList trains" expected to contain "Train, Bus, Ferry" or "T8, E70, MFF" or "Macarthur to City via Airport or Sydenham, PrePay Only - City Wynyard to Manly (Express Service), Circular Quay to Manly" ? |
| 07:31.30 | Oksana | Going by "trains.removeDuplicates();", it's probably "Train, Bus, Ferry", otherwise duplicates would have been unlikely. |
| 07:31.36 | jonwil | Yeah |
| 07:33.17 | jonwil | Its definitely the mode name |
| 07:33.28 | jonwil | travelModeName:"train" is what the JSON for Translink returns |
| 07:33.40 | jonwil | and that's what the translink code uses to fill in the string array |
| 07:34.48 | Oksana | Problem is, modes are specified as integers. Which means, I need a... tulip or something to store the 1=train, 4=light rail, 5=bus, and so on, in. And then whichever easy way to convert integer into the word. |
| 07:35.12 | Oksana | Probably QStringList would work. |
| 07:35.59 | Oksana | But numbers aren't sequential. They are 1,4,5,7,9,11,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106 |
| 07:37.00 | jonwil | QMap is the way to go here |
| 07:37.32 | Oksana | How is it different from std::map? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1910733/how-can-i-map-an-int-to-a-corresponding-string-in-c-c |
| 07:37.53 | jonwil | Its much the same but since its all being done in QT, QMap makes sense |
| 07:39.12 | Oksana | QMap<int, QString> modes; ??? |
| 07:39.34 | jonwil | Yeah something like that would work |
| 07:39.58 | jonwil | NSW does have quite a few mode types |
| 07:40.58 | Oksana | will continue tomorrow, hopefully. I have no idea whether QMap<QString, int> or QMap<int, QString> is expected here. |
| 07:41.11 | jonwil | QMap<int, QString> is the right one |
| 07:42.21 | Oksana | nods and goes outdoors |
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| 08:08.56 | jonwil | Anyone here any good with Python programming? |
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| 10:47.10 | Wikiwide | In attempt to figure out ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap (shown by both MicroB and Fennec [aka Firefox 17]), I have stumbled upon https://cc.dcsec.uni-hannover.de/ . It's useful for testing a web browser, but how do I know which cyphers are supported by a web server? Say, https://scratch.met.edu/ . |
| 10:47.44 | inz | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ |
| 10:49.06 | Wikiwide | Thank you :-) Testing |
| 10:49.45 | inz | If the site is an intranet site, it won't work though, no idea for a tool to do the same |
| 10:50.41 | Wikiwide | No problem, I don't remember the last time I visited an Intranet site |
| 10:51.23 | Wikiwide | What does A+ grade mean? |
| 10:52.05 | inz | That they do not support weak ciphers etc |
| 10:52.11 | inz | click on the address to se more details |
| 10:56.29 | Wikiwide | MicroB supports TLSv1. Scratch supports TLS 1.0-1.3, not a problem. |
| 10:56.44 | Wikiwide | Cipher suites... |
| 10:58.48 | Wikiwide | Scratch supports ECDHE RSA with AES, or weak RSA with AES. MicroB supports ECDH, DH, or RSA. The only common point is RSA. |
| 11:01.32 | Wikiwide | MicroB supports RSA with AES 128/256 SHA1. Scratch supports weak RSA with AES 128/256 CBC SHA. Is CBC the crucial difference? |
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| 12:19.22 | Maxdamantus | Hm.. is omapfb known to be required to be built-in or something? |
| 12:20.35 | Maxdamantus | when trying to load it as a module in 4.16 I just get "no such device" .. irc I got the same thing in the maemo branch of 3.14 some years ago and fixed it by having it built in. |
| 12:20.45 | Maxdamantus | s/irc/iirc/ |
| 12:21.01 | Maxdamantus | er, n900 branch* |
| 12:21.47 | Maxdamantus | will probably just try a built-in version tomorrow. |
| 12:25.29 | Wizzup | maybe check what leste config does |
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| 13:14.45 | enyc | Wizzup: i belive, uses the kernel default rx51_defconfig , except oddly i can't see arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig in the n9xx-linux repo |
| 13:17.06 | Wizzup | https://github.com/maemo-leste/n9xx-linux/blob/pvr-wip-4.15.7/arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig |
| 13:23.23 | Maxdamantus | CONFIG_FB_OMAP2=y |
| 13:23.25 | Maxdamantus | Yeah. |
| 13:23.39 | Maxdamantus | mainline rx51_defconfig has =m |
| 13:24.55 | Maxdamantus | actually, no rx51_defconfig in mainline .. using omap2plus_defconfig |
| 13:26.25 | parazyd | FWIW, other configs are here: https://github.com/parazyd/arm-sdk/tree/master/boards/kernel-configs |
| 13:26.29 | parazyd | (droid4, n9, n950) |
| 13:26.40 | Maxdamantus | ah, so maemo-leste still requires those pvr patches. |
| 13:27.57 | Maxdamantus | Good to know, thanks. |
| 13:28.02 | Wizzup | there is nothing that works without pvr patches :) |
| 13:28.06 | Wizzup | no powervr* |
| 13:28.36 | Maxdamantus | Well, plain fb works without it. |
| 13:28.57 | Wizzup | right, and you can use maemo leste with plain fb and llvmpipe for h-d, but it'll be unusable ;) |
| 13:29.40 | Maxdamantus | intends to not use maemo/hildon in the long run anyway. |
| 13:29.48 | bencoh | (and even more unusable on n900) |
| 13:29.56 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: awww, that's a mean thing to say :> |
| 13:30.44 | Maxdamantus | I wouldn't use software like that on my desktop systems, so wouldn't want to (ultimately) on my phone either. |
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| 13:30.51 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: good luck :P let me know if you find anything usable |
| 13:30.59 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: desktop==phone? |
| 13:31.13 | bencoh | Wizzup: wmii is okayish on droid4 :D |
| 13:31.23 | Maxdamantus | Wizzup: not exactly ==, but I prefer things to be decoupled. |
| 13:31.23 | Wizzup | until you start to actually use it ;) |
| 13:31.38 | bencoh | portrait wmii is a pain |
| 13:31.46 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: I think the IT world has been trying to figure this out, so I'm surprise you have :p |
| 13:31.50 | bencoh | landscape is fine :) |
| 13:31.57 | Maxdamantus | and I don't need the sorts of fancy graphics you get with HD |
| 13:32.03 | Wizzup | bencoh: yes, but apps don't work that well in general touch wise |
| 13:32.15 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: agreed, I don't care about the shaders and effects |
| 13:32.40 | Maxdamantus | I use xmonad on my desktops, but would rather use something like wmii/w3m on n900 for memory reasons. |
| 13:33.01 | bencoh | Wizzup: yeah, real apps still need to be adapted somehow :) |
| 13:33.13 | Wizzup | bencoh: we've been trying for what, 10+ years? |
| 13:33.17 | Wizzup | I'm sure it'll change overnight :P |
| 13:33.57 | bencoh | Wizzup: riight :)) |
| 13:34.44 | bencoh | seriously though, wmii in itself is okay as a wm (since you have a keyboard), but yeah, it still misses a whole touch-oriented ecosystem |
| 13:34.51 | Wizzup | uses wmii right now |
| 13:34.57 | Wizzup | (on my laptop) |
| 13:35.05 | bencoh | (same on my desktop. and laptop) |
| 13:35.15 | Wizzup | wow, another wmii user ;) |
| 13:39.28 | parazyd | Enjoying your multiple screen support? :p |
| 13:41.26 | bencoh | I have 3 here at work (with wmii) and I must say it's quite comfy :) |
| 13:41.41 | parazyd | :O |
| 13:49.19 | Wizzup | bencoh: xinerama? |
| 13:50.53 | bencoh | probably |
| 13:51.18 | bencoh | at least XINERAMA shows with xdpyinfo |
| 13:52.04 | bencoh | and I don't see how else wmii would work, so ... :) |
| 14:04.46 | Wizzup | well, do you have different workspaces per monitor? |
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| 14:22.06 | bencoh | nope, I only have several workspaces, independent of monitors |
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| 14:32.19 | Wizzup | bencoh: hm, I can't have wmii display different workspaces on monitors |
| 14:33.03 | bencoh | you mean, monitor-tied workspaces? |
| 14:33.30 | bencoh | (ie having a different workspace per monitor?) |
| 14:33.39 | Wizzup | yes |
| 14:34.04 | bencoh | yeah, that's unsupported |
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| 17:02.14 | sicelo | also uses ActiveSync dialy .. in fact, it's even a pity that N900 can have only 1 EAS account. I need two |
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| 18:38.10 | sicelo | wow, just tested wmii .. i like it very much! have used i3wm too |
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| 19:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody using KDE5? could you please "switch user" to open a new KDE session and see if the old session keeps internet connection while you're "not there"? you'd likely notice that after some 3 minutes, you lost IRC login here when the old session actually gets disconnected from internet |
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| 20:25.32 | Wikiwide | Haven't seen such a problem on KDE4, but then, we haven't got around to KDE5 yet. |
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| 20:58.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | solved: allow connection for all users |
| 21:00.49 | Wikiwide | Nice :-) |
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| 23:25.42 | Oksana | is exploring sawfish window manager on Linux laptop, currently; while idea of tiling is nice, I am not a fan of keyboard-based control. And highly customized window handling sounds... Very interesting. |
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| 23:58.58 | Oksana | jonwil : Do I need to felete filebuffer before exiting function getJourneyData ? |
| 23:59.06 | Oksana | delete * filebuffer |