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| 01:18.18 | brolin_empey | Heh, my Galaxy Note 3 can charge from a Nokia AC to microUSB power supply but a Galaxy Nexus cannot charge from the same charger but can charge from a generic AC to USB power supply. |
| 01:20.45 | brolin_empey | I guess I should buy another Samsung AC to USB power supply for around 2 CAD on eBay to leave at work because the only one I have is at home. |
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| 01:32.01 | brolin_empey | s/charger/power supply/ |
| 01:51.59 | jonwil | Still no closer to getting this damn thing working. I have ruled out LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIB_PATH being at fault (the system isn't setting LD_PRELOAD when it runs the offending binary and LD_LIB_PATH is the same at the point the binary is run and when the binary itself starts). |
| 01:53.06 | jonwil | Debugging is hard because the x86 build completes correctly with no problems and debugging armel binaries in Scratchbox is too hard due to the way the whole qemu thing works |
| 02:10.13 | jonwil | I uploaded what I have so far at https://github.com/jonwil/openssl if anyone wants to take a look |
| 02:42.58 | Maxdamantus | you mean `LD_LIBRARY_PATH` right? |
| 02:43.12 | Maxdamantus | `LD_LIB_PATH` isn't a thing afaik |
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| 03:34.57 | jonwil | Yeah LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 03:35.23 | jonwil | I just copied my entire openssl-1.1.0h tree to my N900 and ran the test there and it worked |
| 03:36.16 | jonwil | So I might take a look and see what's different or I may give up and disable that one test in the test suite and move on. |
| 03:36.17 | jonwil | Not sure yet |
| 03:39.23 | brolin_empey | jonwil: Use an x86 smartphone so that you can run the same build on both desktop and mobile? ;-) |
| 03:39.34 | jonwil | :P |
| 03:39.47 | jonwil | I am sure the binary is good, its probably just something weird in the environment |
| 03:41.06 | brolin_empey | jonwil: Have you tried running the x86 build with the same memory constraints as the N900 has? |
| 03:41.53 | jonwil | We know the x86 build runs in scratchbox and the test suites run correctly |
| 03:42.04 | jonwil | And we know the ARM build runs on my N900 and the test case in question also runs correctly |
| 03:42.39 | jonwil | Its just the ARM build in Scratchbox (where there is plenty of system resources available to the qemu-scratchbox thing) that is failing. |
| 03:42.59 | jonwil | So its either a problem with the enviornment or something qemu-scratchbox-whatever doesn't like |
| 03:43.20 | jonwil | Either way, the binary that gets built from my tree passes that test |
| 03:43.28 | jonwil | meaning there is no problem with the build system |
| 03:43.46 | jonwil | and disabling the test shouldn't be a problem |
| 03:44.02 | jonwil | that is, if I cant find the reason the test fails on SB but works on-device |
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| 03:46.26 | brolin_empey | Does the N900 have more RAM than the contemporary Apple iPhone model? I remember that the N900 briefly had a higher resolution display than the iPhone until the iPhone 4, I think, was released. |
| 03:50.27 | jonwil | If I cared about anything made by crApple, I wouldn't be in here working to make the N900 a better device :) |
| 03:59.17 | Oksana | Nokia N900 and iPhone 3GS were released in 2009. Nokia N900 has 256MB Mobile DDR+768MB swap space. iPhone 3GS has 256MB DRAM (no swap?). Identical CPUs? Very similar GPUs? |
| 04:00.13 | Oksana | And iPhone 3GS features 3MPx camera. Nokia N900 has 5MPx camera. |
| 04:12.52 | brolin_empey | Oksana: Yes, I was reading articles on Wikipedia. Apparently the iPhone 3GS, the contemporary of the N900, and the first-generation iPad have 256 MiB of RAM, same as the N900, but the iPhone 4 doubles the amount of RAM. The GPUs may be similar but the CPUs are from different companies: the N900 uses an OMAP SoC from TI but the early iPhone models use Samsung SoCs. |
| 04:30.23 | brolin_empey | On a notebook computer with hotkeys to change the display brightness, do the hotkeys usually work independently of the software currently running? Or do the hotkeys require special support by the software, usually an OS? I have a notebook computer from 2006 at work that I thought has a problem with the backlight of the integrated LCD but maybe someone set the display brightness very dim because I realised after I already came home from work that I did not |
| 04:30.23 | brolin_empey | try the hotkeys to change the display brightness. |
| 04:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: actually I should have set a forward from #maemo-cssu to #maemo-ssu |
| 04:42.03 | luke-jr | brolin_empey: depends. |
| 04:42.21 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer05: or just ##deaddevices |
| 04:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | luke-jr: meh, not funny |
| 04:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually even totally silly |
| 04:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and stupid, since maeme isn't a device |
| 04:47.08 | luke-jr | I'm not being very serious right now. Just ask #dragonbox-pyra and #anime |
| 05:04.15 | vahe | hi, i need Maemo_Flasher-3.5 for centos :) Help to find |
| 05:04.35 | vahe | for installation maemo-leste |
| 05:21.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | vahe: find everything on maemo.cloud-7.de |
| 05:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot2.png |
| 05:24.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | please don't post any URLs you deduced from this! As soon as there are any web spiders showing up on forbidden dirs, I will remove them |
| 05:34.52 | luke-jr | is there a maemo flasher for POWER9? |
| 05:36.02 | KotCzarny | you can always write your own installer |
| 05:36.12 | KotCzarny | taking rescueos as a base for example |
| 05:45.40 | vahe | KotCzarny: thanks! :) |
| 05:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm totally off context with >><jonwil> And we know the ARM build runs on my N900 and the test case in question also runs correctly <jonwil> Its just the ARM build in Scratchbox (where there is plenty of system resources available to the qemu-scratchbox thing) that is failing.<< What is the problem now? and how do you run ARM build on N900 when it doesn'T even build in SB? |
| 05:49.41 | KotCzarny | he has a problem with one of the tests during checks |
| 05:50.07 | KotCzarny | which means sb fail, while on n900 apparently it doesnt |
| 05:50.13 | KotCzarny | *fails |
| 05:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | how hard can it be to spot the test that fails? |
| 05:50.32 | KotCzarny | probably a bug in sb somewhere |
| 05:50.43 | KotCzarny | its not the problem of spotting, but fixing |
| 05:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly how hard can it be to check WHY it fails? |
| 05:50.57 | KotCzarny | because he managed to run the failing part on n900 |
| 05:51.06 | KotCzarny | go for it, i'm busy |
| 05:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwill has a talent to talk about a success as if it were a total fail |
| 05:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for one wouldn't give a flying F* why tests fail in sb-armel when they succeed on target platform |
| 05:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and after long decoding of what he posted, I gather that's the situation he faces now |
| 05:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like a professional commercial airline captain worries about not being able to land the 747 in simulator. While he does it in RL every day successfully |
| 05:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the simulator landing works fine, just the simulator test rating then states it didn't |
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| 05:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't go in chat like "damn! this month I crashed 5 747 during landing" ;-P |
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| 06:01.37 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: fiasco+co -- 403 - Forbidden |
| 06:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | vahe: yes |
| 06:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | read again what I posted |
| 06:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply never mind |
| 06:03.19 | vahe | I don't know what that means |
| 06:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you gonna have to type the URL manually, from the info provided to you. And please never post sucbh URL anywhere |
| 06:03.45 | vahe | ah |
| 06:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just extend the http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ with the file you want |
| 06:05.06 | vahe | Already understood, sorry :) |
| 06:05.16 | vahe | Thanks again. |
| 06:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | np :-) thanks for not spoiling it by posting expanded URLs for the google spiders :-D |
| 06:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually eventually I might want to check for browser ID and only allow wget |
| 06:10.46 | vahe | ok :) |
| 06:13.41 | vahe | Download I understand, it remains to understand how to install :D |
| 06:13.58 | vahe | for example, maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img |
| 06:14.49 | vahe | install qflasher was normal |
| 06:16.35 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: Can you tell me that ? :) |
| 06:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I have no idea about maemo-leste |
| 06:18.05 | vahe | Well, you just have them set the phone memory as I understand :) |
| 06:18.27 | vahe | install img about as lazy install |
| 06:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can add own images to lazyflashinfg |
| 06:19.13 | vahe | yes? |
| 06:19.14 | vahe | nice |
| 06:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to copy the image to the local cache dir where all the images live, the append an according md5sum line to the file with md5sums, then give the image name as parameter to flash-it-all.sh |
| 06:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | theN append* |
| 06:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually you as well could just invoke dlasher directly, with the right parameters |
| 06:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | flasher* |
| 06:21.38 | vahe | Please give a link to the lazyflashing |
| 06:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lf |
| 06:22.01 | infobot | hmm... #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 06:22.07 | vahe | ty |
| 06:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, you already got all you need |
| 06:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | lf doesn't have any benefit for you |
| 06:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | just look into http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir_v2/ to understand what it does |
| 06:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir_v2/flash-it-all.sh |
| 06:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually just run "flash-it-all.sh maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img" - should guide you along what to do, by error messages |
| 06:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: I got no idea if maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img is meant to get used this way |
| 06:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | most likely not |
| 06:28.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd assume the maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img needs to get dd'ed onto a uSD card, then you tweak uBoot to boot from that card |
| 06:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but again, I got no clue about current state and recommended procedures around maemo-leste |
| 06:32.22 | ceene | i would say that jonwil has done a pretty good job on porting openssl |
| 06:32.57 | ceene | i agree with DocScrutinizer05, he speaks as if the world had just fallen down... when in fact the binary works perfectly on n900 and is just one single test that doesn't run properly on scratchbox |
| 06:33.10 | ceene | i would rate that a 99.9% success |
| 06:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 06:34.09 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.centos.org/820001/15282668/ Do you have any ideas ? |
| 06:34.17 | ceene | for my port of an older release of openssl i just removed the tests and was happy enough about it |
| 06:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make matters worse, he's pretty fuzzy and confusing in his explanations of what got done and what were the results |
| 06:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | vahe: what the error says ""has no checksum line in local file md5sums.txt for checking file integrity"" |
| 06:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | md5sum maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img >>md5sums.txt |
| 06:37.05 | vahe | lol ok )) |
| 06:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | vahe: all good now? |
| 06:52.45 | vahe | yes ) i try now |
| 06:53.02 | vahe | http://pastebin.centos.org/820051/26797815/ |
| 06:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohyeah, the errorcode is a bug. other than that I'd just think the image provided doesn't fit for flashing like that |
| 06:54.37 | vahe | full log http://pastebin.centos.org/820056/82680671/ |
| 06:55.06 | vahe | Yeah, I should have tried)) |
| 06:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Invalid FIASCO file header |
| 06:55.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the img file is actually called Invalid FIASCO file |
| 06:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the img file is actually called FIASCO file |
| 06:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | as stated above, I'd assume this maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img is a disk image to get copied to a uSD, not a fiasco file meant to get used with flasher |
| 06:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* want to run "file maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img" and see what linux thinks the filetype was |
| 06:58.26 | vahe | http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/README.txt |
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| 07:02.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yeah. Doesn't provide generic instructions but suggests those are disk images |
| 07:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | suddenly realizes with a shudder: leste sounds almost like (user) letse |
| 07:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka letsee aka estel |
| 07:05.26 | KotCzarny | for me it sounds more like 'm(a)e mo-leste' |
| 07:06.00 | Maxdamantus | maemo-leste-ashin |
| 07:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 07:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you me like "me Ego" |
| 07:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mean* |
| 07:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and "me amo" |
| 07:09.00 | KotCzarny | definitely made with love |
| 07:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 07:09.21 | KotCzarny | though initially it is made with lots of pain |
| 07:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and with huge ego, in case of meego ;-) |
| 07:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway better than moblin |
| 07:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, http://www.moblin.com/ still exists |
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| 07:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Brands Years of mobile marketing & advertising skills with technology, Moblin works with international brands all over the globe as their mobile division for execute brief to positive ROI.<< -- makes me puke, from emphasis on ROI and advertising |
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| 08:13.48 | vahe | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry I got out because of a network problem :) |
| 08:15.05 | vahe | Thanks |
| 08:15.36 | vahe | I've tried using dd on SDCard , but "run sdcard" does not work, failed |
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| 08:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no idea really. I'm pretty sure though maemo-leste has a howto |
| 08:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if not, demand one ;-) |
| 08:51.02 | Wizzup | just to clarify - you download the img.xz , you decompress it, and you dd the img file to the sd card (with no seek= and such), that's it. when bootmenu is installed, it will boot when you type 'run sdboot' |
| 08:53.39 | Maxdamantus | note that you can decompress as you write: xz -c foo.xz | dd of=/dev/sdXY |
| 08:54.05 | Maxdamantus | (the `dd` there is actually kind of pointless; can just write directly: xz -c <foo.xz >/dev/sdXY |
| 08:54.11 | Maxdamantus | er, meant -dc in both cases |
| 08:54.22 | Maxdamantus | ( |
| 08:54.25 | Maxdamantus | )) |
| 09:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, if I had to bet, I'd put my 2 cent on vahe frogot to decrompress |
| 09:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, dd to raw device or to a partition? |
| 09:12.56 | vahe | I just installed the Maemo-Leste OS, it was great :) |
| 09:13.24 | vahe | it was simple. d if=maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 :D |
| 09:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, so raw device |
| 09:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my experience that at least has a certain problem with partition size of the new partitioning you send to the MMC. The new partition(s) must be < total-avail-size of MMC, and any excess blocks on MMC are not available first hand, you'd need to create a further partition (using tools like cfdisk or the like) to use that rest |
| 09:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or resize the last existing partition |
| 09:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case is partitionsize > MMCsize, where dd will abort with error but that might go unnoticed, and later on the MMC is actually mount-able but will eventually fail epically when system tries to use nonexistent blocks |
| 09:41.00 | Maxdamantus | There shouldn't be any issue with imagesize < mmcsize |
| 09:41.28 | Maxdamantus | unless you're using something like gpt, where the partition table is meant to be at the beginning and the end. |
| 09:42.11 | Maxdamantus | if you're just using msdos/mbr, you'll just have a bunch of space not currently assigned to a partition. |
| 09:42.47 | Maxdamantus | (I'm guessing the maemo-leste will just be msdos/mbr |
| 09:42.56 | Maxdamantus | ) |
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| 11:16.01 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I thought a fair bit of Maemo was hardcoded in the partitioning dept? |
| 11:19.46 | Maxdamantus | There's not much that restricts the size of partitions .. that's just decided at flasher time or later. |
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| 11:20.26 | Maxdamantus | but maemo-leste should already be using non-maemo partition identifiers, since it's meant to be running off SD rather than eMMC. |
| 11:21.21 | Maxdamantus | iirc for me to change the partitioning requirements, I modified /sbin/preinit and /etc/fstab, and changed some init script to avoid rewriting /etc/fstab on boot. |
| 11:22.06 | Maxdamantus | (since I just have maemo, /home, /home/user/MyDocs and /opt on one ext4 partition) |
| 11:27.36 | Maxdamantus | and a debian root there too. |
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| 12:38.54 | jonwil | I think I have solved the OpenSSL problems. Still getting all sorts of test failures in Scratchbox armel but all the tests so far are passing on my N900 itself. Assuming that continues to happen, I will disable the tests in the build process and move on. |
| 12:40.49 | jonwil | Bearing in mind that Scratchbox is a, shall we say, rather unique build system (for most normal distros they are either compiling it on an ARM system directly or they are cross-compiling it with all the tests that run on the build system being compiled with the host toolchain and run that way) |
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| 12:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: well, not on uSD |
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| 13:00.55 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: The âfileâ program is not part of Linux. file is cross-platform. I often use file on Cygwin. |
| 13:01.54 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Maxdamantus: I wasn't thinking sizes more location and type |
| 13:02.34 | sixwheeledbeast^ | Resizing has been a common thing for a while. |
| 13:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: huh? |
| 13:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: seems you are making up a problem |
| 13:08.03 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I was replying to: |
| 13:08.03 | brolin_empey | <DocScrutinizer05> you *might* want to run "file maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img" and see what linux thinks the filetype was |
| 13:08.03 | brolin_empey | file != Linux. |
| 13:08.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: I for sure won't write "...and see what ${developer_of_the_file_program_on_whatever_platform_you_use} thinks the filetype was" when I know the adressee is using linux |
| 13:19.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sorry when my statement sounded like linux was thinking, actually we all know that a computer can't think |
| 13:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | no illegal product placement intended either |
| 13:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a particular excuse goes to Mr RMS for me not using the correct term "GNU/Linux" |
| 13:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | though actually file seems (C) BSD, and Ian F. Darwin, Toronto, Canada, 1986-1999 |
| 13:30.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: yup, seems like running a parted resize or somesuch command after dd of=/dev/mmcX would be in order |
| 13:31.25 | brolin_empey | rms now uses the term âGNU+Linuxâ. |
| 13:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll diligently ignore that |
| 13:32.13 | bencoh | -_- |
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| 13:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | RMS also still thinks there was any benefit in blocking flash rewrite of subsystems from APE, when actually the subsystem could receive OTA flash updates |
| 13:35.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but suuuure, as long as *user* has no means to reflash a subsystem, FSF may consider the subsystem to be a blackbox that has no software on it |
| 13:36.53 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I recall Pali? doing work on boot process to make it more flexible. |
| 13:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be emperor of your territory you should first define and know damn precisely where the limits of such territory are |
| 13:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | a "this is not my kingdom anymore, since: see my people can't travel to there" is a pretty poor idea |
| 13:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | user freedom by locking in users to the land of freedom |
| 13:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
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| 14:09.31 | jonwil | Getting close to having some OpenSSL 1.1.0h packages to test on my phone. |
| 14:09.45 | jonwil | Just sorting out some problems with the packaging process now :) |
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| 15:19.23 | jonwil | OpenSSL now works on my N900 |
| 15:19.27 | jonwil | At least so far anyway |
| 15:19.51 | jonwil | I can run the usual command to validate the certificate chain for a server and it does the right thing. |
| 15:20.02 | jonwil | And finds the right root CA |
| 15:37.19 | jonwil | So its all good and I can move on to QT and Fahrplan :) |
| 15:37.44 | KotCzarny | do some more tests and put that new openssl to repos? |
| 15:38.11 | KotCzarny | naming would be interesting of the package, since it's incompatible with old one |
| 15:38.19 | jonwil | I ran all the needed tests (the openssl test suite passes completly when run on my phone and the commands I tried all work) and I pushed it to cssu-devel repo |
| 15:38.32 | jonwil | Yes its incompatible with the old one but both can live side by side easily |
| 15:38.57 | KotCzarny | but app that would rely on openssl require specific major version |
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| 15:41.21 | jonwil | I currently have libssl0.9.8 version 0.9.8zh-1+maemo1+0m5+0cssu0 installed as well as libssl1.1 version 1.1.0h-4 installed. |
| 15:42.50 | jonwil | binaries linked against the old version all contain libssl.so.0.9.8 and/or libcrypto.so.0.9.8 in their list of libraries and will load the old one |
| 15:43.25 | jonwil | binaries linked against the new version contain libssl.so.1.1 and/or libcrypto.1.1 in their list of libraries and will load the new one |
| 15:43.28 | jonwil | So no existing packages break |
| 15:43.43 | jonwil | I also have openssl version 1.1.0h-4 installed |
| 15:45.32 | jonwil | So there is no need to change any existing package, they will all keep working exactly as-is. |
| 15:46.06 | jonwil | And then you can recompile new packages with the new libssl-dev package and get something that links against the new 1.1 libssl/libcrypto |
| 15:46.49 | jonwil | I have taken all the right steps to ensure nothing breaks. |
| 15:48.51 | bencoh | I suppose the -dev packages would still conflict though |
| 15:48.55 | jonwil | Yes |
| 15:49.37 | jonwil | If you are really doing something where you need to build things for 0.9.8 AND 1.1, you can keep both dev packages .deb files handy and install the right one with dpkg -i anytime |
| 15:49.47 | bencoh | yeah |
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| 18:07.03 | handturkey | hi I have an n900 here |
| 18:07.16 | KotCzarny | we all do. |
| 18:07.26 | handturkey | that was a preamble to my question |
| 18:07.42 | handturkey | how many ways can this thing stream over FM? |
| 18:07.53 | KotCzarny | 'ways'? |
| 18:08.10 | KotCzarny | you just turn on fm transmitter and just play audio via normal system |
| 18:08.17 | handturkey | like I can put the music onto the device. or an SD card. then play it, but can I stream from an input? if I have a splitter for headphones/mic |
| 18:08.30 | handturkey | so I can plug a sound source into it, can it stream that? |
| 18:08.45 | KotCzarny | if you have an app that records from mic then plays on normal audio, it will do |
| 18:09.03 | handturkey | is there such an app and will I have to attenuate the crap out of the signal |
| 18:09.34 | handturkey | or can it be controlled via software somehow to attenuate the input to "line level" |
| 18:09.38 | KotCzarny | you can try playing with gstreamer |
| 18:09.46 | KotCzarny | in terminal |
| 18:10.26 | handturkey | playing what exactly |
| 18:10.32 | handturkey | I don't know gstreamer commands |
| 18:10.37 | KotCzarny | me neither |
| 18:11.04 | handturkey | can I plug a line level source into the microphone? will it distort like hell? |
| 18:11.14 | handturkey | how do I even make that come out the speakers |
| 18:11.21 | KotCzarny | there is no line in jack in n900 |
| 18:11.29 | handturkey | there's a microphone jack though |
| 18:11.39 | KotCzarny | oh, right |
| 18:11.40 | handturkey | it's a 4 pole 3.5mm socket |
| 18:11.53 | KotCzarny | forgot about headset way |
| 18:12.25 | handturkey | I have a little Y splitter |
| 18:12.33 | sicelo | it should distort like hell. try it though |
| 18:12.43 | handturkey | can software bring the level down enough to make it listenable |
| 18:12.52 | handturkey | or do I have to figure out how to physically attenuate it |
| 18:13.13 | handturkey | I already did that with a nintendo so I could probably repeat that exact little box |
| 18:14.51 | handturkey | how would I send that over fm though |
| 18:15.01 | KotCzarny | told you, just play it |
| 18:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>move on to QT and Fahrplan<< \o/ |
| 18:15.08 | handturkey | play what? |
| 18:15.14 | KotCzarny | whatever you record from mic |
| 18:15.33 | KotCzarny | if fm transmitter is active it routes all audio there |
| 18:15.42 | handturkey | mic too? |
| 18:16.01 | handturkey | sweet. I'll test this |
| 18:16.07 | KotCzarny | if you record->play,yes |
| 18:16.43 | handturkey | no I don't want to record then play |
| 18:16.52 | handturkey | I want to just transmit what's going into the headset |
| 18:17.05 | KotCzarny | no other way unless you know pulseaudio and willing to risk fuck up the profile |
| 18:17.23 | KotCzarny | you arent listening what i'm saying |
| 18:17.26 | handturkey | recording it is less useful than just putting the files onto the device |
| 18:17.45 | KotCzarny | mic isnt routed anywhere unless there is an app that records |
| 18:17.55 | KotCzarny | then 1/ you have to record it |
| 18:18.04 | handturkey | as a wav or something |
| 18:18.06 | KotCzarny | fm transmitter sends all played audio |
| 18:18.23 | KotCzarny | which means: 2/ you have to 'play' what you've just recorded from mic |
| 18:18.48 | handturkey | recorded as a sound file |
| 18:18.52 | KotCzarny | note: if you have fm transmitter active internal speakers/headset out is disabled |
| 18:19.31 | handturkey | my question is how do I enable the mic, and stream that, in realtime |
| 18:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | handturkey: I'm a 40 lines late on backscroll, but you can't attenuate mic-in to line-in level in device. Also note mic is mono |
| 18:20.15 | KotCzarny | just as i've said. you have 2 options: 1/ what i've said above (record->play), 2/ learn how to hack pulseaudio to do what you need |
| 18:20.29 | handturkey | yeah the mic is mono |
| 18:20.34 | handturkey | that's ok |
| 18:20.48 | handturkey | ok thanks for your input |
| 18:21.11 | handturkey | hack seems like an ugly word for "configure" |
| 18:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you share more details about your particular usecase, we prolly can five better advice |
| 18:21.34 | KotCzarny | no, hack as in break whatever nokia configured |
| 18:21.41 | handturkey | my media player -> mic streamed REALTIME over FM |
| 18:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | phhh |
| 18:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | arecord|aüöay |
| 18:22.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | arecord|aplay even |
| 18:22.32 | KotCzarny | ghetto radio station, har har |
| 18:22.37 | handturkey | yes |
| 18:22.43 | handturkey | pocket ghetto radio station |
| 18:22.56 | KotCzarny | maybe i should add such option to oscp |
| 18:23.01 | KotCzarny | might be fun |
| 18:23.07 | handturkey | maybe you should! |
| 18:23.10 | handturkey | -maybe |
| 18:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun with a FM transmitter that barely has a range of 5m? |
| 18:23.28 | handturkey | what is oscp? |
| 18:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouting would be smarter |
| 18:23.34 | KotCzarny | ~oscp |
| 18:23.34 | infobot | well, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 |
| 18:23.47 | KotCzarny | DocScrutinizer05: fm waves go through walls |
| 18:23.50 | handturkey | DocScrutinizer05, FLAC player |
| 18:23.58 | handturkey | and I've streamed it through steel in a car |
| 18:24.12 | handturkey | several layers of steel AND the shielding of the antenna |
| 18:24.35 | handturkey | this little thing has been dormant the last couple of years though |
| 18:24.43 | handturkey | but now I want to use it again. |
| 18:25.16 | handturkey | it's no weight at all for a rucksack |
| 18:25.40 | KotCzarny | btw. gstreamer has an option to mix multiple sources |
| 18:25.55 | KotCzarny | but again, i know next to nothing about syntax, it's as bad as perl |
| 18:26.15 | KotCzarny | http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?t=93495 |
| 18:26.16 | handturkey | I don't know anything about gstreamer either |
| 18:26.33 | KotCzarny | some thread about transmitting mic |
| 18:27.42 | handturkey | qmegaphone, radiostation |
| 18:27.48 | handturkey | are these things still in the repos? |
| 18:27.53 | KotCzarny | you might also tray in terminal: |
| 18:27.59 | KotCzarny | apt-get install gstreamer-tools |
| 18:28.02 | KotCzarny | then: gst-launch pulsesrc ! pulsesink |
| 18:29.01 | KotCzarny | or: pacat -r | pacat -p |
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| 18:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? do we need IP addr now instead URL? |
| 18:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe useful to answer a few of the recent questions: |
| 18:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 18:42.47 | infobot | rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 18:43.13 | KotCzarny | DocScrutinizer05: nah, for some reason it was google result |
| 18:43.38 | KotCzarny | and im too lazy to edit |
| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah and posting it in here will give it bonus points on google so next time it shows up on a higher rank |
| 18:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 18:45.33 | KotCzarny | it was already much higher |
| 18:45.35 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 18:45.53 | KotCzarny | maybe server should do force redirect for google's ua |
| 18:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sidenote: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PMw74Rjw7J |
| 18:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny sound effect |
| 18:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just feel like rebooting now, since I'm not convinced damn PolypAudio did disable the mic and amp again on ^C of this little joke |
| 18:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | newer versions of ALSA also have a loopback(?) plugin, but I'm pretty sure the maemo version of ALSA doesn't |
| 18:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you prolly can tune arecord|aplay quite a bit by providing buffer size and sampling rate parameters |
| 18:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, gstreamer should work too |
| 18:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/qmegaphone/ |
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| 18:55.18 | KotCzarny | gstreamer wpuld be preferred in his case because it could mix more sources (he wants mic + music) |
| 18:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the audio system would mix already |
| 18:57.50 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 19:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, PukeAudio got invented to "(bla bla... ) fix the broken dmix ALSA plugin". Now ALSA dmix plugin also never was broken when configured correctly, and on top of this you got PA to offer another mixer |
| 19:02.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I actually tested with a 3 or 4 concurrent aplay or playsound commands |
| 19:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | much more interesting would be a BT/internet based intercom between 2 devices |
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| 19:58.01 | brolin_empey | Is it truly necessary for Linux to have a Linux-specific sound system (âAdvanced Linux Sound Architectureâ) instead of using some cross-platform, at least cross-*nix, sound system, such as (the) OSS? After all, GNU+Linux uses the Common Unix Printing System, not the Advanced Linux Printing System/Architecture. |
| 19:59.43 | KotCzarny | sure, if oss didnt go full commercial in history |
| 20:02.04 | KotCzarny | oss was nice to provide free sound driver in the past, but then again, it was commercial venture |
| 20:03.04 | brolin_empey | Is PulseAudio used on a non-Linux-based platform? |
| 20:03.48 | KotCzarny | evilaudio is evil |
| 20:06.20 | KotCzarny | anything coming out of poettiring computer is broken by design |
| 20:06.30 | KotCzarny | *poettering |
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| 21:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | PukeAudio is poettering |
| 21:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering |
| 21:33.19 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 21:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | also Mr L. Poettering has a record to opt out of portability, even when he needs to invest a few more days into coding to achive killing portability for good |
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