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| 00:21.43 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 00:38.53 | Maxdamantus | unless the "mediaplayer media plug in" is just something that receives a URL or filename of the pre-downloaded video, that seems like it would just add more bloat. |
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| 02:06.55 | jonwil | I finally got OpenSSL 1.1.0h to work |
| 02:07.01 | jonwil | Or at least its actually compiling now. |
| 02:07.33 | jonwil | I think I got all the Perl bits that dont work on 5.8.4 sorted with various mods and hacks to the Perl scripts |
| 02:08.45 | jonwil | I would LOVE to meet the guy who decided that writing a Configure script in Perl was a good idea (mostly so I can punch them in the face for doing it :P) |
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| 05:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo |
| 05:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha yeah, perl, a nightmare |
| 05:10.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't get me wrong, perl sure is powerful an all that, but sorry it makes me puke to read do-blabla-some-bullshit-etc-pp UNLESS condition |
| 05:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm used to reading stuff top-down and left-right, and evaluating conditions for doing something BEFORE I start doing it |
| 05:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | on https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Michael_Murphy_(DDG-112) Captain: "FIRE... unless this is a drill" |
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| 05:24.19 | jonwil | I think I finally got this working |
| 05:49.05 | ceene | jonwil: great! |
| 05:49.15 | ceene | are you uploading your progress somewhere? |
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| 05:50.50 | jonwil | Will do soon :) |
| 06:00.41 | jonwil | Very close to having it working, just need to deal with some stuff that arises because we have out-of-date versions of a few perl modules. |
| 06:18.07 | jonwil | Its currently running through the pile of OpenSSL tests |
| 06:18.56 | jonwil | which, given the stuff I had to do to the Perl build system, is probably a good thing to have it do (make sure nothing is broken_) |
| 06:19.10 | ceene | sounds good |
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| 07:18.48 | Oksana | Great |
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| 08:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 08:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | noob question: SSL is a layer over whatever communication (usually port80 HTTP) that basically could get implemented as a proxy on top of a regular port80 communication, right? |
| 08:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | just it usually runs on port443 |
| 08:20.01 | jonwil | Looks like I am hitting an issue in Scratchbox |
| 08:20.36 | jonwil | Seems like if you run an armel binary inside scratchbox, the emulation layer doesn't pass the value of environment variables like LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LD_PRELOAD through to that arm binary |
| 08:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe to make more clear: is it correct that you could wrap arbitrary data tarffic into a SSL layer, and HTTPS is actually HTTP wrapped in SSL |
| 08:20.50 | ceene | DocScrutinizer05: basically, yeah, there's even stunnel, which is an app that does exactly that, sits between a communication channel and sets up a ssl layer around it |
| 08:21.01 | jonwil | Which is why the openssl 1.1.0h test suite is failing. |
| 08:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: ta! :-) |
| 08:21.16 | jonwil | And why some stuff in the Mozilla build process is failing as well |
| 08:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: umm, quite possible |
| 08:23.32 | ceene | DocScrutinizer05: you can also install telnet-ssl and telnet -z whatever 443 and manually type HTTP requests |
| 08:23.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik scratchbox is a chroot/qemu, most likely env vars from outside get lost |
| 08:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ceene: :-D TA! I was just confronted with "would all this HTTP based stuff also work via HTTPS?" and I said "of course, why not? As long as the port 443 is available" |
| 08:25.40 | ceene | i think i may have removed the tests on my port of openssl |
| 08:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | let aside higher system load for encryption |
| 08:27.31 | ceene | yep, just a layer around it |
| 08:27.40 | ceene | i'm sure socat also supports ssl around whatever thing you want to run |
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| 08:43.50 | Maxdamantus | 20:20:42 < DocScrutinizer05> maybe to make more clear: is it correct that you could wrap arbitrary data tarffic into a SSL layer, and HTTPS is actually HTTP wrapped in SSL |
| 08:44.01 | Maxdamantus | HTTP/1.1 at least, not necessarily so for HTTP/2 |
| 08:44.14 | Maxdamantus | since it supposedly uses that application identifier thing. |
| 08:44.42 | Maxdamantus | ALPN |
| 08:45.46 | Maxdamantus | Apparently required for HTTP/2 |
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| 10:59.52 | jonwil | Still no closer to figuring out why this isn't working and because you can't debug armel binaries in SB due to qemu, I have to rely on printf debugging to narrow down the cause of the problem. |
| 12:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess when you want to debug a process in qemu, you need to run gdb in qemu and start the process from gdb |
| 12:27.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course it makes no sense to run qemu under gdb to debug the process running inside qemu |
| 12:33.55 | bencoh | indeed |
| 12:34.00 | bencoh | err, wait |
| 12:34.52 | bencoh | at least you could probably use the qemu debugger |
| 12:35.35 | bencoh | https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Debugging_with_QEMU |
| 12:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide sounds like it might be related |
| 12:37.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide#Debugging_Issues_in_Scratchbox |
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| 15:05.55 | enyc | ooer #maemo-cssu is invite-only?!?!? |
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| 15:13.05 | bencoh | uh, what? |
| 15:13.16 | bencoh | enyc: I know of #maemo-ssu |
| 15:13.25 | bencoh | dunno about -cssu |
| 15:18.10 | enyc | aaaah! |
| 15:18.14 | enyc | that may by my mistook |
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| 16:08.48 | kalin | hi guys |
| 16:09.27 | kalin | i trying to boot kubuntu mobile on my n900 |
| 16:11.01 | vahe | nice |
| 16:11.08 | bencoh | do you have a working kernel first? or are you trying to boot a maemo kernel? |
| 16:11.09 | kalin | i've downloaded image, put it to sd card with dd, installed linux power kernel boot image on n900 |
| 16:12.10 | kalin | now i have boot menu, but can't boot from sd |
| 16:12.13 | bencoh | iirc modern libc won't work with old (<2.6.32) kernels |
| 16:12.23 | bencoh | unless you patch it |
| 16:12.58 | bencoh | do you get anything though? errors? |
| 16:13.13 | kalin | no |
| 16:13.40 | bencoh | oh, and ... to get something on screen you'd probably need kernel modules |
| 16:14.06 | bencoh | (framebuffer driver and stuff, at least) |
| 16:14.32 | bencoh | fbcon isn't builtin |
| 16:14.55 | bencoh | (so you probably wouldn't get any on-screen console anyway) |
| 16:15.54 | bencoh | If you wanna keep the maemo/power kernel I'd suggest follow one of the arch/gentoo/whatever threads on talk.maemo.org |
| 16:16.31 | bencoh | if you're okay with using a mainline kernel, you might want to have a look at Leste first |
| 16:16.34 | bencoh | and move from there |
| 16:16.49 | kalin | i want to use some lightweght debian-like distro |
| 16:17.10 | bencoh | then I'd *definitely* have a look at Leste :) |
| 16:17.26 | bencoh | they're rebasing maemo bits on top of modern devuan |
| 16:17.42 | plazmonii | kalin: жм? |
| 16:18.55 | kalin | so how to run Leste on my n900? |
| 16:20.17 | kalin | oh, i gotta fly... |
| 16:20.20 | kalin | see ya |
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| 16:20.36 | bencoh | kalin: https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N900 |
| 16:20.57 | kalin | thanks |
| 16:22.10 | sicelo | and #maemo-leste |
| 16:24.13 | plazmonii | kalin: jeh, join #maemo-leste |
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