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| 05:07.15 | jonwil | Anyone here any good with debian packaging? Anyone want to help me get OpenSSL 1.1.0h (either the Upstream version or the Debian version) to compile on Fremantle? (the Debian version needs newer versions of dpkg and debhelper than we have and I dont think upgrading a package as critical as dpkg is something I want to do given the risk of bustage) |
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| 06:13.33 | Oksana | jonwil : Links, please? To Upstream and Debian versions? I did debian packaging, aeons ago. No idea why would somebody need newer dpkg version, though - and the latest Debian packaging seems to be significantly different from what it used to be in Maemo-like times. |
| 06:14.59 | jonwil | https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/openssl has links to openssl_1.1.0h.orig.tar.gz (the upstream source package) and openssl_1.1.0h-4.debian.tar.xz (the Debian packaging and local Debian patches) |
| 06:16.20 | jonwil | We would need a new dpkg/dpkg-dev version and a new debhelper version if we were to use the Debian packaging rather than writing our own packaging for Maemo (I think we should be using the Debian local patches either way though, if Debian thinks those changes are important they are probably worth having) |
| 06:20.07 | Oksana | Is 0.9.8n the newest one in Maemo repositories? |
| 06:20.45 | Oksana | is surprised to see Diablo as Maemo3 and Fremantle as Maemo4 |
| 06:20.52 | Oksana | http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssl/ ^ |
| 06:25.56 | jonwil | https://github.com/community-ssu/openssl/ is the latest version currently in Maemo |
| 06:26.12 | jonwil | Its the last 0.9.8 release and its shipped as part of the Community SSU |
| 06:26.26 | Oksana | 0.9.8zf ... Nice, thank you :-) |
| 06:26.39 | jonwil | No, thats 0.9.8zh |
| 06:27.44 | jonwil | I think we can assume that any local patch in |
| 06:27.57 | Oksana | Ah, I was looking at the 1 release at this github |
| 06:28.18 | jonwil | in Maemo that is also in Debian is either no longer needed for 1.1.0h or is part of the local Debian patches for 1.1.0h |
| 06:28.30 | jonwil | And the few patches in Maemo that aren't in Debian aren't needed in 1.1.0h |
| 06:28.43 | jonwil | One got merged upstream and the others aren't relavent anymore |
| 06:29.04 | Oksana | For a first try, it would be nice to follow https://github.com/community-ssu/openssl/blob/master/HOWTOBUILD , only use upstream source package http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.1.0h.orig.tar.gz |
| 06:29.09 | jonwil | So basically none of the patches in that community SSU git repo are needed |
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| 06:30.05 | Oksana | So, if patches aren't needed, then http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.1.0h.orig.tar.gz , and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc -i.git |
| 06:30.57 | Oksana | needs to get a build environment someday; building this on device would probably overwhelm rootfs |
| 06:31.24 | Oksana | used to use MADDE on Windows XP, but Windows XP is too out-of-date to connect it to Internet |
| 06:31.53 | jonwil | The easiest way to get a build environment going is to do what I do an use the Maemo Ubuntu build VM |
| 06:32.11 | jonwil | So easy to just fire up vmware any time I am doing development |
| 06:32.33 | jonwil | Much easier (and cheaper) than trying to set up a second machine just for Linux and for Maemo development |
| 06:57.19 | Oksana | jonwil : link to VM? /just in case I, or somebody else, get around to running it/ |
| 07:00.01 | jonwil | https://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/ has a link to the official Nokia VM |
| 07:00.43 | jonwil | You probably want Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 07:01.39 | jonwil | That's the one I am running (although I have a lot of packages installed in there and I have added more disk space and more RAM and stuff as well to the VM image) |
| 07:02.52 | jonwil | There is no way Firefox 24.8.1 was gonna compile with the low amount of RAM the image is set up with by default :) |
| 07:03.08 | jonwil | Heck, even QT was having problems until I bumped up the RAM |
| 07:03.35 | jonwil | There is apparently a more modern dev environment/VM out there somewhere but I dont know anything about it |
| 07:04.33 | jonwil | I am keeping with the Nokia VM just because its what I have been using since about 2014 or so (for a while I was using an old PC as a dev box but then I moved house and decided to retire the old PC rather than pay to have it moved) |
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| 07:31.44 | Maxdamantus | btw, GitHub to follow Nokia, in case someone hasn't heard. |
| 07:35.03 | KotCzarny | maybe they want to access password protected repos? |
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| 07:35.32 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: mmh? |
| 07:35.41 | bencoh | oh, shit. |
| 07:36.50 | sparre | only has public stuff on Github. And (practically) only as mirrors of his Mercurial repositories on Bitbucket. |
| 07:37.18 | bencoh | I don't use github either, but still :) |
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| 08:23.12 | jonwil | I dont use any private Github stuff but I do use it for public repos |
| 08:23.35 | jonwil | I have yet to see anything to suggest Microsoft is going to make github suck though |
| 08:27.47 | Maxdamantus | Well, their intention is presumably to make money, and the way they make money usually involves monopolisation (either encouraging users to lock themselves into their products, or shut the former competitor down) |
| 08:28.30 | Maxdamantus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish |
| 08:29.30 | Maxdamantus | Personally, I don't like the idea of relying on things within the Microsoft ecosystem. |
| 08:30.20 | Maxdamantus | and I don't see why they would spend $2M on GitHub if their intention was not to encourage (in whatever way) users of GH to be incorporated into the ecosystem. |
| 08:30.57 | Maxdamantus | er, $2B* |
| 08:30.59 | Maxdamantus | or whatever it was |
| 08:31.43 | Maxdamantus | ah, valued at $2B a few years ago, not known how much they're paying to acquire it. |
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| 12:17.49 | leakypug | I am planning to move back to my n900. Is there anyone with n900 using yappari here? does it still work? |
| 12:18.22 | KotCzarny | no support |
| 12:18.25 | KotCzarny | no working app |
| 12:18.43 | KotCzarny | whatsapp went 'no 3rd party apps' |
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| 12:23.25 | leakypug | oh no. Thank you!! And wow.. such an instant reply!! the reason why I love this community!! |
| 12:23.47 | KotCzarny | you just got lucky |
| 12:23.57 | KotCzarny | on irc response time is from 0.5s to 14 days |
| 12:24.48 | leakypug | ha ha :) |
| 12:25.50 | leakypug | if I want to start using my n900 back, I lost the details of repo urls.. are the ones in the maemo wiki working? |
| 12:26.16 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 12:26.16 | infobot | well, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 12:26.21 | KotCzarny | also: |
| 12:26.24 | KotCzarny | ~flashing |
| 12:26.24 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 12:26.45 | KotCzarny | i suppose you know about cssu? |
| 12:27.03 | leakypug | yeah, community ssu :D |
| 12:27.53 | leakypug | yep - was an active user of n900 since 2010 till 2016 |
| 12:27.57 | KotCzarny | k, as usual, t.m.o and w.m.o are your best information source |
| 12:28.25 | leakypug | cool.. heading there right away!! |
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| 13:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (( Oksana is surprised to see Diablo as Maemo3 and Fremantle as Maemo4)) I think the "-maemoN" suffix in versions has nothing to do with Maemo 3 or 4 or 5 |
| 13:14.15 | sparre | DocScrutinizer05: Isn't the trailing "-maemoN" in version numbers like "-debN" in Debian - i.e. packaging versions of the same upstream version? |
| 13:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 13:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen everything from maemo0 to maemo8 on arbitrary packages in apt-chace policy et al |
| 13:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | leakypug: |
| 13:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lf |
| 13:18.31 | infobot | it has been said that #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 13:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 13:18.49 | infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 13:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | should get you started |
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| 13:44.57 | jonwil | Looks like MS paid $7.5B for Github |
| 13:46.33 | KotCzarny | cash money, ka-ching |
| 13:46.40 | jonwil | And it seems to be driven by the community-focused developer-tools side of Microsoft rather than the all business other half (the side that shoved Windows 10 down everyone's throat for example) |
| 13:46.55 | jonwil | They say good things about not wanting github to change for the worse |
| 13:47.10 | jonwil | They say nothing about any kind of lock-in |
| 13:48.00 | KotCzarny | ignore the words, observe the (future) actions |
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| 13:54.34 | jonwil | If Microsoft does something bad with github, we can always switch things to gitlab or something |
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| 14:16.37 | jonwil | ok, so I got some packaging for OpenSSL 1.1.0h that should work but now it turns out that the OpenSSL 1.1.0h configure script (which happens to be a Perl script of all things) needs Perl 5.10.0 and the Perl in scratchbox is only 5.8.4. So now I gotta find a way to get a newer Perl in there (and yes it really does seem to need the newer Perl, I tried changing the version from 5.10.0 to 5.8.4... |
| 14:16.38 | jonwil | ...and it gave me errors) |
| 14:17.30 | bencoh | uh.... |
| 14:17.33 | bencoh | nightmare |
| 14:17.42 | bencoh | jonwil: are you absolutely certain it really needs 5.10? |
| 14:17.53 | bencoh | ah, nevermind |
| 14:18.22 | jonwil | Yeah it definitely gives errors if I change the script to look for 5.8.4 as mnimum |
| 14:19.39 | bencoh | tbh I'd rather not upgrade perl, since it'd probably end up with yet another tarball that one need to open before being able to build some package |
| 14:19.48 | bencoh | (just like gcc-4.7 for thumbs) |
| 14:21.18 | jonwil | So what do we do? |
| 14:21.48 | jonwil | I know about as much Perl as I do Python (i.e. none) |
| 14:22.35 | bencoh | hmm |
| 14:23.07 | bencoh | I'd try and patch that configure script, but ... I don't really know what they did and would need to actually read their commit logs |
| 14:23.10 | bencoh | commits log* |
| 14:26.13 | ceene | jonwil: I made a .deb package for openssl 1.0.2e |
| 14:26.22 | ceene | i remember I had to tinker a little bit with some perl scripts |
| 14:26.34 | jonwil | Got a link to the source code for that? |
| 14:26.44 | ceene | in fact, I think I simply removed them because they were not needed, although they were useful, they were not essential |
| 14:26.48 | jonwil | That might help me figure out what I need to change in 1.1.0h |
| 14:26.57 | jonwil | Or maybe not if they just got removed |
| 14:27.04 | jonwil | I can't exactly remove Configure :) |
| 14:27.31 | ceene | https://github.com/agamez/maemo-openssl-1.0.2/commits/master |
| 14:27.31 | KotCzarny | maybe you need to rebuild with autotools |
| 14:27.34 | ceene | github... |
| 14:27.49 | jonwil | Configure is a Perl script and there is no autotools involved |
| 14:27.59 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 14:28.11 | jonwil | Best way is probably to find someone who can actually program Perl and who can come up with a way to do in 5.8.4 what they are using from 5.10.0 |
| 14:28.17 | ceene | build-depends for 1.0.2e doesn't require perl |
| 14:28.41 | ceene | i had to do a few things |
| 14:28.46 | bencoh | eval 'exec perl -S $0 ${1+"$@"}' |
| 14:28.49 | ceene | i'm sure those commits will be helpful to you |
| 14:29.03 | bencoh | ceene: in Configure from your repository |
| 14:29.22 | bencoh | dunno about build-depends, but it looks like perl to me :) |
| 14:29.27 | ceene | then it should've been on Build-depends |
| 14:29.28 | ceene | yep |
| 14:29.37 | ceene | but i built this thing on |
| 14:29.42 | ceene | scratchbox |
| 14:29.48 | ceene | i forgot the name for a second |
| 14:30.01 | bencoh | so perl was already available anyway |
| 14:30.04 | bencoh | haha |
| 14:30.06 | ceene | yep |
| 14:30.22 | ceene | that's all i remember, it's from dec 2015 |
| 14:30.34 | ceene | but i do know that i was able to build a .deb package for maemo and it did work |
| 14:30.53 | bencoh | I haven't fiddled with maemo/openssl for years either |
| 14:31.05 | ceene | i also did something to qt4 |
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| 14:31.50 | ceene | https://github.com/agamez/qt-x11-maemo/commits/RemoveSSL3 |
| 14:32.04 | ceene | and also |
| 14:32.09 | ceene | https://github.com/agamez/qt-x11-maemo/commits/UpgradeSSL |
| 14:32.34 | ceene | i think I had to something to it so yappari could download sent images |
| 14:32.37 | jonwil | Thanks. |
| 14:32.46 | ceene | because whatsapp servers started blocking tls3, as it's insecure |
| 14:33.04 | ceene | i don't think i got to release this, because few days after that, yappari stopped working at all |
| 14:33.14 | ceene | and I left lots of things in progress |
| 14:33.52 | jonwil | In my case I need TLS 1.2 because the backend for my public transit agency now needs TLS 1.2 minumum in order to work (which means my Fahrplan backend is broken until I get TLS 1.2 into QT) |
| 14:34.11 | ceene | i think last branch, UpgradeSSL, should make it work |
| 14:34.15 | ceene | alongside a modern openssl |
| 14:34.17 | ceene | the one from my repo |
| 14:34.29 | ceene | both together should work for you, just as they are, i think |
| 14:34.41 | jonwil | I am sure I can get the OpenSSL 1.1.0h build I have going working correctly |
| 14:34.50 | jonwil | Much better than using an out-of-date build with possible bugs in it./ |
| 14:34.55 | ceene | my 1.0.2e did work |
| 14:34.57 | jonwil | I just need to find someone who knows Perl |
| 14:35.03 | jonwil | most likely |
| 14:35.06 | ceene | so, probably there's not much work to do to port it to build 1.1.0h |
| 14:35.15 | ceene | if you take a look, I removed a couple of .pl scripts |
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| 14:36.25 | ceene | i think |
| 14:36.29 | ceene | i'm a bit confused now |
| 14:36.52 | ceene | should have documented the whole process, not only the repo |
| 14:37.53 | ceene | in any case, 1.0.2e is still better than what is right now in maemo, so it's a step ahead, even if you don't manage to upgrade to 1.1.0h |
| 14:44.33 | jonwil | I am sure that if I can find a Perl programmer I can get 1.1.0h working |
| 14:44.59 | jonwil | That said, finding someone who can actually understand code written in that abomination may not be so easy :P |
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| 14:48.01 | ceene | does it shout a lot? |
| 14:48.08 | ceene | or just a couple random things? |
| 14:48.34 | ceene | can you post a log? |
| 14:48.35 | jonwil | When I downgrade the version it complains about foreach and then stops |
| 14:49.58 | ceene | http://search.cpan.org/~shay/perl-5.26.2/pod/perl5100delta.pod |
| 14:50.00 | ceene | This document describes the differences between the 5.8.8 release and the 5.10.0 release. |
| 14:50.22 | ceene | i assume there's no pratical difference between 5.8.4 and 5.8.8, being different only on the third number |
| 14:56.21 | jonwil | https://pastebin.com/mQ0vzF03 |
| 14:56.29 | jonwil | That's the full log of errors I get |
| 14:57.59 | ceene | your openssl is the one from debian or from openssl repo? |
| 14:58.29 | jonwil | The configure file is exactly the one from OpenSSL 1.1.0h (debian uses the upstream version with no applied patches) |
| 15:03.01 | ceene | i don't get why it complains about the backlash |
| 15:03.25 | ceene | foreach (sort split(/\s+/,$target{bn_ops})) { |
| 15:03.28 | ceene | this is on your Configure |
| 15:03.35 | jonwil | I dont know either |
| 15:03.39 | ceene | and this is on openssl1.0.2e, still requiring only 5.0.0 |
| 15:03.40 | jonwil | I know nothing about Perl |
| 15:03.43 | ceene | foreach (sort split(/\s+/,$bn_ops)) |
| 15:06.10 | ceene | yeah, this perl thing is clearly write once, read never again |
| 15:06.59 | ceene | problem lies not on that line |
| 15:07.04 | ceene | but on line 1212 |
| 15:07.08 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.15 | ceene | / is a new operator on 5.10.0 |
| 15:07.50 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.14 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.29 | ceene | can you try this |
| 15:09.30 | ceene | --- Configure2018-06-04 16:58:27.000000000 +0200 |
| 15:09.30 | ceene | +++ Configure.new2018-06-04 17:09:17.744789676 +0200 |
| 15:09.30 | ceene | @@ -1209,7 +1209,7 @@ |
| 15:09.30 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.30 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.32 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.34 | ceene | -$predefined{$1} = $2 // ""; |
| 15:09.36 | ceene | +$predefined{$1} = defined($2) ? $2 : ""; |
| 15:09.38 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.40 | ceene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.58 | ceene | some bot didn't like me pasting that here |
| 15:10.05 | ceene | https://pastebin.com/sQyzzzJY |
| 15:10.18 | ceene | just replace $predefined{$1} = $2 // ""; at line 1212 with $predefined{$1} = defined($2) ? $2 : ""; |
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| 15:19.11 | jonwil | ok, so if we have the line return $withargs{zlib_lib} // "ZLIB1"; in perl, what is the right replacement for that one? |
| 15:20.08 | ceene | return defined($withargs{zlib_lib}) ? $withargs{zlib_lib} : "ZLIB1"; |
| 15:21.27 | ceene | basically, a // b means: if variable 'a' is defined, let's use its value, otherwise, let's use b as fallback value |
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| 15:28.53 | ceene | i'm leaving now |
| 15:29.07 | ceene | let me know if this ends up working out |
| 15:29.32 | ceene | ping my name so i can scroll easily back then :) |
| 15:29.33 | ceene | cya! |
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| 16:58.31 | sixwheeledbeast^ | +0m5 for Maemo5 versioning. -0maemoX would be used for a application port, if I remember my debian packaging correctly. |
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| 19:56.21 | AlexNoise | yey. being on IRC with a N810 |
| 19:56.32 | AlexNoise | a dream comes true finally |
| 19:56.38 | AlexNoise | \o |
| 19:57.39 | KotCzarny | want to convert n810 into intelligent and remotely controllable audio player too? :) |
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| 19:58.47 | AlexNoise | without bricking it? |
| 19:58.50 | AlexNoise | kinda.. |
| 19:58.56 | KotCzarny | try oscp |
| 19:58.57 | dreamer | has an N810 that is kind of purposeless |
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| 19:59.48 | AlexNoise | I do heard of it. will try eventually |
| 20:00.28 | AlexNoise | this nis such a beautiful device. kb feels strage after 5 years of N900 |
| 20:00.52 | AlexNoise | but getting familiar with it |
| 20:00.58 | KotCzarny | you can control oscp core running on n810 with remote running on n900 (or pc) |
| 20:01.02 | KotCzarny | or the other way round |
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| 20:02.06 | AlexNoise | nice |
| 20:02.34 | KotCzarny | it also has internet radio browser built in |
| 20:02.58 | KotCzarny | in case you dont have enough audio files |
| 20:03.00 | AlexNoise | is internet radio still possible on this? |
| 20:03.10 | KotCzarny | sure, why not? |
| 20:03.10 | AlexNoise | ah you answered faster |
| 20:03.13 | AlexNoise | cool |
| 20:05.56 | KotCzarny | not to mention support for plethora of mod formats |
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| 20:23.53 | AlexNoise | well this is some heavy stuff. i'll need time to set it up properly |
| 20:23.59 | AlexNoise | weekend |
| 20:24.13 | KotCzarny | 'this'? |
| 20:24.37 | AlexNoise | ocsp |
| 20:24.46 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 20:25.10 | KotCzarny | unless starting app manager is heavy stuff |
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| 23:28.18 | Oksana | >> There is no way Firefox 24.8.1 was gonna compile with the low amount of RAM the image is set up with by default :) << Then there is probably no way Firefox 24 will be able to run on Maemo 5 at usable speed. Joking, a little... But the latest Firefox tends to be overly complicated/bloated. For |
| 23:28.18 | Oksana | example, I think that handling of videos in web pages should be left to "Mediaplayer media plug-in", instead of Firefox itself. |
| 23:29.46 | Oksana | jonwil : Sveta knows Perl. Programmed in it. Will point her your way, once she is back at the computer (in several hours or so). |
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| 23:51.36 | jonwil | I managed to get some more help over in #perl :) |
| 23:51.42 | jonwil | Nice friendly people |