| 00:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: anyway you tackling the TLS issue is highly appreciated by many |
| 00:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | OHLOL |
| 00:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel.<< |
| 00:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck does forum need to protect against spammers *READING* it? |
| 00:04.46 | jonwil | I figured out 4 possible ways forward. One is to see if we can get a newer version of Fennec (with the necessary TLS support) to Fremantle. There is a Fremantle port of Fennec 17 floating around but I don't know when Fennec dropped all the bits we need and became "Firefox for Android" and whether there is a new enough build that we can get working somehow. |
| 00:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's honestly one of the most unique stupid things I encountered in whole intarwebs so far |
| 00:05.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: sorry, I can't read your tmo post right now |
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| 00:06.46 | jonwil | I copied the posts describing the 4 options I came up with into https://pastebin.com/pbMPnBWN |
| 00:07.41 | jonwil | Option 1 being to try and get a newer Fennec going, option 2 being to try and get a newer Gecko going, option 3 being to back-port the new NSS to the old microb-engine and option 4 being to back port just the TLS 1.2 bits. |
| 00:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody please point me to the website that offered checking IPs against that forum anti spam blacklist? I need to find a privateinternetaccess proxy that isn't blacklisted |
| 00:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or somebody nukes that anti spam crap on everything tmo except /login |
| 00:09.14 | jonwil | Option 2 is my preferred option if we can pull it off since it would give not just TLS 1.2 but also a better browser engine (I tested Firefox 24 Portable on my Windows PC against many of the sites that simply do not work on Maemo Fremantle right now and ,many of them are definitely usable on FF24) |
| 00:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good |
| 00:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys unblock |
| 00:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 00:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys unban |
| 00:20.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares at logrotate and systemd |
| 00:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't be surprised when there was a systemd-logrotated that fucked up stuff in that it indiscriminately shuts down and restarts processes that have a logfile open at rotate time |
| 00:23.09 | jonwil | The 3 problems we have are A.Identifying anything removed between the code we have and the FF24 Gecko code that we need to bring back (not the easiest of things), B.Identifying any API or ABI incompatibilities between the 2 and finding a solution for them and C.Porting the maemo Debian packaging, all the local patches etc (where they still matter) over to the new tree |
| 00:23.47 | jonwil | But its still far less work than getting Leste to the point where its usable as a daily driver AND getting a web browser going on that platform. |
| 00:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds correct |
| 00:28.24 | Wizzup | jonwil: 'fixing it is actually possible' that really depends on what you call fixing |
| 00:28.32 | Wizzup | tls 1.2 is hardly the only thing that is missing/broken |
| 00:28.53 | Wizzup | but again, I will refrain from further comments since I don't think it's constructive ;) |
| 00:29.19 | jonwil | The FF24 browser engine is not perfect but it still improves a lot over current microb-engine. |
| 00:29.45 | Wizzup | and you will have to go over all the CVEs since firefox 24 :( |
| 00:31.20 | Wizzup | oh, I've also tried to ask a couple of times in mozilla irc about the current state of embedding, and I think I've been ignored every time. |
| 00:31.36 | Wizzup | So I wonder if there is any current embedding framework for gecko/firefox |
| 00:31.43 | Wizzup | they might be moving so fast it is just broken :) |
| 00:35.48 | Wizzup | gn |
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| 02:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: ooh I missd your post >>[2018-05-26 Sat 02:06:46] <jonwil> I copied the posts describing the 4 options I came up with into https://pastebin.com/pbMPnBWN<< Thanks a lot buddy |
| 02:08.59 | jonwil | The preferred option would be to get FF24 Gecko into microb-engine. |
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| 03:23.59 | jonwil | Looks like the FF 24.8.1 ESR release is a good base to start from in regards to what Gecko tree we use |
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| 03:51.55 | Wikiwide | Regarding screencasting : so far, I tried "load applet". It works, as in, records video. But when I ask Media Player to play the 41s video, I obverse: 1) moving image plays out way faster than audio; 2) audio misses last second or so. Is it problem with screencasting "load applet" or Media Player? |
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| 03:52.57 | Wikiwide | And by the way, would be nice to split "load applet" into two different applets: 1) CPU/memory load monitor ; 2) screencasting. |
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| 05:53.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never had much luck with load applet screencasts |
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| 06:51.48 | brolin_empey | If someone asks how to replace points in their antiquated automotive vehicle propelled by a spark-ignition engine that uses a points distributor instead of electronic fuel ignition, is it really worth learning how to replace points and where to still acquire points if the much easier solution in the long term is to upgrade the vehicle to use electronic fuel ignition or to replace the vehicle with a less antiquated vehicle that already uses electronic fuel |
| 06:51.49 | brolin_empey | ignition? |
| 06:52.24 | KotCzarny | i the vehicle is reliable and hackable, sure |
| 06:52.44 | KotCzarny | as opposed to those break-after-guarantee-period 'new' ones |
| 07:03.23 | brolin_empey | What if someone asks how to use a 5.25-inch full-height HDD using ST-506 host interface (which requires a host controller only available on an ISA card) instead of ATA in an 80486 class or higher computer? Is it really worth it to use such antiquated storage technology instead of using an ATA host controller and 3.5-inch or smaller HDD or SSD? |
| 07:10.58 | brolin_empey | What if someone asks how to run Mac OS X on their m68k Macintosh? Do you tell them to run GNU+Linux for m68k so that they can run Mac OS X for PowerPC on a PowerPC computer emulated in software on an m68k computer? ;-) |
| 07:13.10 | brolin_empey | I mean using PearPC, which is a software emulation of a PowerPC computer that can technically run on GNU+Linux for m68k on an m68k Macintosh. |
| 07:16.52 | brolin_empey | What if someone asks how to run Windows 98 on an 80386 computer? Do you tell them to install Windows 98 on an 80486 or higher class of computer and move the drive to the 80386 computer after installation because Windows 98 can technically partially run on an 80386 but the installer will, by default, refuse to run on less than an 80486 class of computer? |
| 07:21.41 | brolin_empey | What if someone asks how to use a Nokia N900 with the cellular network of Telus Mobility, Bell Mobility, or any of their MVNOs in Canada, who use bands not supported by the cellular modem in the Nokia N900? ;-) |
| 07:22.33 | KotCzarny | what if someone tells you there are people using n900 and if you dont use, you shouldnt tell them what and how to use their n900? |
| 07:24.07 | brolin_empey | What if there were no hypothetical questions? |
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| 07:31.07 | brolin_empey | I wonder if my dot-matrix impact computer printer from the 1980s that I got working with Windows 7 for x86-32 is still supported by Windows 10 for x86-64. |
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| 07:41.37 | sixwheeledbeast | People are going to what the best solution for there task, this is why as projects get older there are different views and directions to take. |
| 07:45.06 | brolin_empey | Regarding my last message, I am seriously finally trying it because I already have the printer installed on Windows 10. The printer still powers on and both Form Feed and Line Feed functions appear to work but without any paper. I just need to (re)learn how to insert paper in a printer that is around the same age as me (circa 1987). |
| 07:45.26 | sixwheeledbeast | ~unbinip |
| 07:45.53 | sixwheeledbeast | ~unbanip |
| 07:45.53 | infobot | [unbanip] please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it |
| 07:46.00 | sixwheeledbeast | :facepalm: |
| 07:47.52 | brolin_empey | I have both Letter and A4 sizes of copy paper even though I live in Canada. |
| 07:52.45 | sixwheeledbeast | https://github.com/marxoft/qml-browser - is WebKit I believe |
| 07:54.45 | jonwil | I would rather not try and throw some who-knows-what fork of Webkit in there if we can get a newer mainline Gecko (with whatever local patches we need) in there instead. |
| 07:55.26 | jonwil | I dont see anything show-stopping preventing us getting FF24 going on Fremantle although I haven't yet dug all that deep into any ABI changes or the like |
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| 07:56.06 | KotCzarny | thing being ancient for one? |
| 07:56.53 | KotCzarny | 2015 |
| 08:00.38 | sixwheeledbeast | I am assuming QWebkit from Qt4.x? |
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| 08:03.18 | brolin_empey | Seriously, how do you insert a sheet of normal/friction-feed paper in a dot-matrix impact computer printer? The Paper Feed selector is already set to Friction Feed. I have old continuous/tractor-feed paper I can use if necessary (only in Letter, not A4, size, though) but I am trying to use a sheet of normal copy paper. |
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| 08:51.01 | jonwil | I suspect the FF24 rendering engine will work with more websites than any QT 4.x webkit forks out there. Plus its mostly self contained and we wouldn't need to make all sorts of changes to our version of QT to get the needed features like TLS 1.2. |
| 08:51.20 | jonwil | The GTK changes we would need for FF24 are probably fairly small and easy to back port from a newer GTK. |
| 08:51.49 | jonwil | Getting TLS 1.2 in our QT means we need a new OpenSSL and that adds complications in terms of trying to have both 0.9x and 1.0 running at the same time. |
| 08:51.57 | jonwil | 1.x rather |
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| 09:29.57 | Wizzup | jonwil: huh? I think that the qt4 webkit is up to date with most recent webkit |
| 09:30.05 | Wizzup | oh, right, you mean maemo fremantle qt |
| 09:30.06 | Wizzup | nvm |
| 09:34.03 | jonwil | I believe that getting FF24 running as a replacement for microb-engine is the best option. But that's just my opinion. |
| 09:39.41 | Wizzup | I'm going to be excited if you can pull it off, but I have other things to work on, so I won't be able to help much |
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| 18:06.47 | Juesto | Oksana: I'm running Leste in my laptop finally :) it's working nicely for the most part |
| 18:09.49 | sicelo | ;) |
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