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| 05:45.40 | freemangordon | sicelo: only in context of leste |
| 05:49.12 | sicelo | :-) |
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| 05:49.20 | sicelo | makes sense |
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| 09:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | tobypus: ping |
| 09:13.28 | tobypus | pong |
| 09:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_maemo/ |
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| 15:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, der ist aber auch schneller als gewoehnlich https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=e |
| 15:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah weil er sofort seine 100 voll hat |
| 15:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=gibbetnetSuchsteEWIG |
| 15:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq der tobypus is wech |
| 15:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops ETAB |
| 15:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ |
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| 17:02.12 | sixwheeledbeast | Rarely use my N900 for browsing as I normally have a desktop/laptop handy. Noticed recently many sites will not load on any of the browsers I have installed. What browser are people using at the moment? |
| 17:02.42 | KotCzarny | firefox (fennec) for those js bastards |
| 17:03.12 | KotCzarny | and dillo/midori/stock one for non-brain dead ones |
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| 17:20.53 | sixwheeledbeast | so thumb then for fennec 17? stock fails due to certs on a load of sites |
| 17:21.22 | sicelo | yes thumb seems the only one that makes sense |
| 17:21.30 | sicelo | anyway certs will be a problem there too |
| 17:22.44 | sicelo | i use opera mobile, fennec, and microb |
| 17:29.03 | sixwheeledbeast | microb, qml browser and opera all have cert issues on most sites. |
| 17:30.08 | KotCzarny | i wonder if installing squid with own cert implanted into browser would be good idea |
| 17:30.25 | KotCzarny | (and with caching disabled) |
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| 17:34.22 | Juesto | don't they have their own cert stuff or just reuse system store? |
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| 19:24.23 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: do they fell due to certs issues or due to incompativle/missing tls versions or ciphers? |
| 19:27.01 | sicelo | it's the latter |
| 19:27.09 | sixwheeledbeast | let me try a few sites, each one was a different error code IIRC |
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| 19:32.27 | sixwheeledbeast | no_cypher_overlap and sec_error_unknown_issuer |
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| 19:42.11 | KotCzarny | first one is old protos, second is old certs |
| 19:42.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:01.57 | Juesto | so |
| 20:02.48 | Juesto | how comparable is maemo to Android, iOS, blackberry, old jme phones? |
| 20:02.54 | Juesto | for you guys |
| 20:02.58 | KotCzarny | in what regard |
| 20:03.06 | Juesto | overall |
| 20:04.24 | KotCzarny | we wouldnt be using it if we wouldnt want/like |
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| 20:11.09 | Juesto | KotCzarny: my question is how well it plays compared to other mobile systems |
| 20:11.18 | Juesto | just a curiosity comparison |
| 20:11.29 | Juesto | experiences |
| 20:11.37 | KotCzarny | your question just doesnt make sense, it's too broad |
| 20:11.43 | KotCzarny | and too person specific |
| 20:12.44 | Juesto | i know, it's a abstract question |
| 20:12.57 | Juesto | there's always a overall |
| 20:13.03 | Juesto | or average |
| 20:13.16 | Juesto | ugh |
| 20:13.31 | Juesto | just some curiosity about maemo itself i guess |
| 20:13.49 | Juesto | sorry for such broad question i suppose?? |
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| 21:55.12 | sixwheeledbeast | We wouldn't be here if it was just any old OS? There also wouldn't be devs trying to port it if it had a terrible UX. |
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| 22:21.20 | Juesto | hug |
| 22:21.22 | Juesto | huh |
| 22:21.33 | Juesto | how's that exactly |
| 22:21.50 | Juesto | why this community is alive then |
| 22:23.48 | KotCzarny | because it's a nice linux phone |
| 22:24.06 | KotCzarny | and few folks work hard to make the software fully open and current |
| 22:24.25 | Wizzup | too hard ;) |
| 22:24.32 | KotCzarny | and because it's old good nokia, it's good |
| 22:28.58 | Juesto | why when there's Android which easily can supersede maemo and is much flexible |
| 22:29.21 | Juesto | :/ |
| 22:36.18 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: speaking of which, we could use a sunxi port maintainer ;p |
| 22:49.15 | KotCzarny | wizzup: sure, why not, what i need to do? |
| 22:49.39 | sixwheeledbeast | Maemo has a well designed UI that is far superior to the others IMO. |
| 22:50.14 | KotCzarny | juesto: because android is treating you as a commodity. you are used by android, not the other way round |
| 22:50.30 | Juesto | Huh |
| 22:50.51 | sixwheeledbeast | Flexibility is also relative to the user, being able to pull up a terminal maybe important some and unused by others |
| 22:51.53 | KotCzarny | also, with android you almost always have no update possibility |
| 22:52.21 | KotCzarny | afair google obsoleted anything older than droid6 (or 5) |
| 22:52.29 | Juesto | no update possiblity? |
| 22:52.33 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 22:52.39 | Juesto | uh things evolve |
| 22:52.50 | KotCzarny | closed kernels + blobs means no newer android for you |
| 22:53.12 | Juesto | there's a point where the hardware can't run it, like everything |
| 22:53.19 | KotCzarny | nope. |
| 22:53.21 | KotCzarny | it's not that. |
| 22:53.26 | Juesto | android is foss |
| 22:53.42 | Juesto | and there's lineage os/cyanogen |
| 22:53.54 | Juesto | for the updateability |
| 22:54.03 | KotCzarny | sure, android might be foss in most parts |
| 22:54.19 | KotCzarny | but it's the closed bits that put you in 'obsoleted' bin |
| 22:54.26 | Juesto | i know |
| 22:54.46 | Juesto | you can still use aosp without belonging to the google ecosystem |
| 22:55.04 | KotCzarny | sure, but for what? |
| 22:55.05 | Juesto | and the same thing is happening with google chrome and chromium |
| 22:55.39 | KotCzarny | once app you want requires google services, you are done |
| 22:56.19 | Juesto | ehh |
| 22:56.24 | Juesto | fdroid for that |
| 22:56.28 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 22:56.33 | Juesto | :/ |
| 22:56.46 | Juesto | oh well blame the app devs then |
| 22:56.49 | Juesto | what else |
| 22:56.50 | KotCzarny | i'm not talking about installing apps, i'm talking about apps that rely on particular libraries/services |
| 22:57.09 | Juesto | yeah those stuff are contemplated on fdroid |
| 22:57.57 | KotCzarny | also, i'm not saying that you can't use android, if it suits you, go for it |
| 22:58.03 | KotCzarny | i prefer linux |
| 22:58.22 | KotCzarny | and that's why i'm sticking with n900 |
| 22:59.08 | Juesto | eh what I'm just wondering after all is about this os why it wasn't let it extinguish |
| 22:59.20 | Juesto | like all the other outdated oses |
| 22:59.57 | Juesto | ugh, what a dumb topic |
| 23:00.24 | KotCzarny | dont worry, kids today wont ever know what is linux |
| 23:00.47 | KotCzarny | and in a few generations wont know what is inside their shiny toys |
| 23:02.05 | Juesto | you don't say? |
| 23:02.18 | Juesto | linux is used in education a lot |
| 23:04.51 | KotCzarny | just you wait |
| 23:05.20 | Juesto | ? |
| 23:09.58 | Juesto | KotCzarny: wdym |
| 23:13.11 | sixwheeledbeast | there are many reasons why, as above its a bit of a vague and subjective question I suppose. |
| 23:31.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Maemo really has stood the test of time, if you think about it. OS2005 was released before iOS and Android. |
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| 23:41.18 | timeless | hi KotCzarny |
| 23:41.30 | timeless | is looking for someone familiar w/ debian-exim4 |
| 23:41.50 | KotCzarny | timeless: ahoy |
| 23:42.12 | timeless | is trying to configure it to (1) allow incoming mail (only for the computer itself); (2) allow outgoing mail (only from the computer itself); (3) not allow incoming mail to be sent to another computer |
| 23:43.27 | timeless | I have computers that are properly configured to do that... |
| 23:43.37 | timeless | but so far it seems that my configuration of exim4 hasn't resulted in that :-( |
| 23:44.49 | KotCzarny | maybe configure catch all for outgoing mail not directed to localhost ? |
| 23:45.30 | timeless | got it |
| 23:45.56 | timeless | the trick is that `dc_relay_domains=...` doesn't apply to localhost, but does apply to everything else... |