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| 04:22.13 | brolin_empey | So, I received a spam mail message written in German but sent to my .be mail address meant to be from a young woman with an attached photograph of her nude and holding some model of Apple iPhone or iPod Touch in front of a mirror. Is she some type of forbidden fruit, pun intended? |
| 04:26.29 | brolin_empey | The Icon of Sin (iOS)? |
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| 10:31.15 | Maxdamantus | 23:04:16 < Wizzup> another overhyped nonsense thing :) |
| 10:31.21 | Maxdamantus | Wonder if that came from HN. |
| 10:31.55 | Wizzup | ? |
| 10:32.00 | Maxdamantus | Looked at it last night regarding that issue, and it was just a bunch of people seeming to claim that it's not really a security issue, blah blah blah |
| 10:32.39 | Maxdamantus | The general position seems to have reversed there, so the upvoted comments are the ones that actually fairly explain how it is a problem. |
| 10:32.48 | Wizzup | no, I stand by this |
| 10:34.59 | Maxdamantus | That the default behaviour of major email clients such as Thunderbird and iOS pretty much allowing an XSS-style MITM attack to extract decrypted messages is not an issue? |
| 10:35.06 | Maxdamantus | (and where the behaviour is pretty much standardised) |
| 10:35.32 | KotCzarny | only i you use them |
| 10:35.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:36.12 | Maxdamantus | Yeah, that's probably the main argument against it being considered a *serious* issue. |
| 10:36.12 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: "OpenPGP broken" |
| 10:36.30 | Wizzup | "Stop sending encrypted emails" |
| 10:36.36 | Wizzup | I didn't have to change a darn thing in my setup. |
| 10:36.47 | Wizzup | html email is broken - news at 11. |
| 10:37.28 | Maxdamantus | "I didn't have to change a darn thing" |
| 10:37.31 | Maxdamantus | It's not about you. |
| 10:37.37 | Maxdamantus | It's about people who read your emails. |
| 10:37.51 | Wizzup | I do not send html emails. |
| 10:38.05 | Maxdamantus | Okay, so it's about people who read other people's encrypted emails then. |
| 10:38.33 | Maxdamantus | "It doesn't affect me" isn't a very strong argument against a standard system being broken. |
| 10:39.13 | Wizzup | I reject that html emails were ever a good idea. And the paper said they broke openpgp. When in fact their exploit had nothing to do with openpgp |
| 10:39.25 | Wizzup | just with crappy/buggy mail clients/plugins that didn't check for gnupg errors. |
| 10:39.39 | Maxdamantus | The problem doesn't care that you think it's a bad idea. |
| 10:39.42 | Wizzup | They tried to hype it to get media attention. |
| 10:39.53 | Wizzup | And that is plain stupid. |
| 10:39.54 | Maxdamantus | It's a problem regardless of what you think about HTML emails. |
| 10:40.07 | Maxdamantus | I don't like Windows. Doesn't mean its security issues are not important. |
| 10:40.16 | Wizzup | Yes, and I can still have an opinion about the release, how it was released, and how it was way over hyped for what it actually does |
| 10:40.35 | Wizzup | no key retrieval, no RCE, just being able to inject some crap in s/mime because it sucks |
| 10:40.43 | Wizzup | (and then read singular emails) |
| 10:40.48 | Wizzup | update sw, done. |
| 10:40.55 | Wizzup | No need to say "STOP USING ALL ENCRYPTED EMAIL NOW" |
| 10:40.57 | Wizzup | Gee, thanks EFF. |
| 10:41.04 | Wizzup | anyway |
| 10:41.07 | Wizzup | I need to do work :) |
| 10:43.26 | KotCzarny | still, it's about damage fallout |
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| 10:43.41 | KotCzarny | windoze has a lots of bugs and exploits are higly rated/news'ed |
| 10:44.38 | KotCzarny | i dont use windowze, right, but i one starts getting banged by windoze botnet, no such thing as a 'not my problem' |
| 10:44.59 | KotCzarny | in emails case, it's about things you (generic you), would like to keep secret |
| 10:45.47 | KotCzarny | s/i/if |
| 10:46.05 | APic | â¹ |
| 10:47.57 | KotCzarny | think: national security etc |
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| 11:18.05 | KotCzarny | offtopic but..: https://digitalsynopsis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/css-puns-web-design-funny-jokes-33.jpg |
| 11:26.36 | inz | Is this some kind of beauty is in the eye of the beholder meta-joke? |
| 11:26.53 | KotCzarny | yup. niche joke |
| 12:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/ |
| 12:53.34 | KotCzarny | kinda old story, isnt it |
| 12:54.43 | APic | Linus is fucking bribable |
| 12:54.46 | APic | Even xkcd got that |
| 12:55.09 | KotCzarny | isnt that art saying opposite? |
| 12:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | APic: huh? |
| 12:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can assure you none of Devuan devels bribed Linus to think systemd is crap |
| 12:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a simple fact |
| 13:05.06 | sicelo | iirc Linus doesn't use any de**an anyway |
| 13:20.50 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: https://protonmail.com/blog/pgp-vulnerability-efail/ |
| 13:29.43 | Maxdamantus | Wizzup: they complain about descriptions then say "ProtonMail is not impacted by the Efail PGP vulnerabilities" |
| 13:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't matter which distro you use |
| 13:30.38 | Maxdamantus | If you're sending mail to people with insecure email clients, you are impacted. |
| 13:30.58 | bencoh | somehow, yeah |
| 13:31.38 | Maxdamantus | If anyone technical looks into the exploit, sure, they can see it's not to do with PGP itself. |
| 13:31.50 | Maxdamantus | but how typical email clients use PGP. |
| 13:32.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | a 15 or 20 years ago I ported editors from some linux to HPUX (iirc) since their editor sucked. Didn't matter back when since *nix = *nix |
| 13:33.11 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: yes, if someone uses ssh1 or windows 2000, they might also be impacted |
| 13:33.14 | Wizzup | superb analysis :P |
| 13:33.23 | Maxdamantus | Wizzup: which is practically noone. |
| 13:33.30 | Wizzup | exactly |
| 13:33.48 | KotCzarny | i suspect there are a lot more people using win2k than n900 |
| 13:33.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:33.59 | Maxdamantus | I can think of at least a couple of people that use Thunderbird or iOS email. |
| 13:34.16 | Maxdamantus | and I'm guessing there are hundreds of millions more. |
| 13:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | until sick suckers like Poettering explicitly say "fsck POSIX, fsck poartbility, linux shall grow up and divert from *nix compatibility" - then he introduced systemd which can't get ported to a huge number of other unixes and forcefed that crap down everybody's throat |
| 13:34.40 | Maxdamantus | anyway, sleep |
| 13:35.07 | KotCzarny | sleep at 3pm? funky |
| 13:35.13 | Maxdamantus | Wed May 16 01:35:13 NZST 2018 |
| 13:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt |
| 13:35.21 | infobot | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 13:35.21 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:35.27 | KotCzarny | i know, joking on purpose |
| 13:37.31 | APic | ð¸ |
| 13:38.06 | APic | Well |
| 13:38.13 | APic | Maybe xkcd was joking ð |
| 13:38.25 | APic | My Problem is that i take every Joke very serious ð |
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| 13:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | (then he introduced systemd) the result longterm will be that linux can't use any code from other unixes and other unixes can't use linux apps |
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| 13:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (porting editor) it was nedit iirc, and the only thing that didn't work "ootb" was their silly 5k chars long helptext strings that the HPUX cc barfed up upon |
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| 15:32.55 | sicelo | parazyd: if it's not too much trouble, please build iodine for armel in devuan repos |
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| 17:30.53 | rhombus | So, since about noon today, my N900 no longer sees any mobile networks. |
| 17:31.35 | rhombus | I don't recall changing anything; I've tried restarting the device numerous times, even removed the battery twice, no improvement. |
| 17:32.00 | rhombus | I've switched between "Dual", "3G" and "GSM" modes, also without effect. |
| 17:32.16 | rhombus | Does this mean the phone is dead? |
| 17:33.06 | rhombus | Or could it be the SIM? It does still detect a SIM and prompts me for a PIN when I restart. The SIM is pretty old by now, probably seven years. I haven't tested it in another device yet. |
| 17:33.38 | KotCzarny | did you try reinserting sim? |
| 17:33.58 | KotCzarny | does it say 'telephony functions are unavailable' ? |
| 17:37.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ^ |
| 17:38.20 | sixwheeledbeast | Do you have a red line through the SIM icon? |
| 17:38.36 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: no |
| 17:38.39 | sixwheeledbeast | Can you try the SIM in something else |
| 17:38.47 | rhombus | KotCzarny: I did try reinserting the SIM |
| 17:39.11 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: I will ask a friend if I can test it in her device |
| 17:39.14 | KotCzarny | when you go to settings -> networks -> manual, does it see any network? |
| 17:39.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Sounds more likely a SIM issue from what you say. It may have been disabled by the operator? |
| 17:40.04 | rhombus | KotCzarny: Where is "Networks" in Settings? |
| 17:40.14 | KotCzarny | well, settings -> phone -> networks -> networks selection |
| 17:40.28 | rhombus | KotCzarny: Ah, ok, I was wondering :) |
| 17:40.52 | rhombus | "Searching" |
| 17:41.01 | rhombus | This does not look good :( |
| 17:41.05 | KotCzarny | report if it find anything |
| 17:41.10 | KotCzarny | dont select any |
| 17:41.23 | sixwheeledbeast | PAYG operators often disable SIMs if unused for a period of time. |
| 17:41.26 | KotCzarny | and finding networks can take few tens of seconds |
| 17:42.00 | rhombus | sixwheeledbeast: I use this phone all the time and I'm adding money to the account every 4 to 8 weeks |
| 17:42.16 | rhombus | KotCzarny: Ah! I see three 3G networks now! |
| 17:42.21 | KotCzarny | also, make sure your phone mode is set to dual |
| 17:42.47 | KotCzarny | if any of them is your home network, you can try setting it as manual |
| 17:42.49 | rhombus | KotCzarny: Why does it need to be dual? |
| 17:43.01 | sixwheeledbeast | Is it normally done with outbound calls, inbound or top ups don't count. |
| 17:43.11 | KotCzarny | rhombus: in case your network is the one you didnt select |
| 17:43.12 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:43.17 | rhombus | I go to the drug store :) |
| 17:43.20 | KotCzarny | with dual it looks for both 2g and 3g |
| 17:43.36 | rhombus | After it stopped working, it did not seem to matter whether I switched to dual, 3G or GSM |
| 17:43.54 | KotCzarny | ok, then go now to home screen and check if you are connected now |
| 17:44.11 | rhombus | KotCzarny: Ok, now I tried to access the network, and I get a yellow warning stripe saying "No access" |
| 17:45.47 | rhombus | This really is starting to seem like a bad SIM |
| 17:46.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:47.15 | enyc | talking of N900's, intersted in maemo/fremantle users feedback on https://ec2.sheer.us/~enyc/n900-kbd/ please =) |
| 17:47.32 | KotCzarny | you can try your wife's wim to confirm |
| 17:48.15 | rhombus | KotCzarny: right, good idea :) |
| 17:50.24 | KotCzarny | s/wim/sim |
| 17:51.06 | KotCzarny | or you can use your wife's phone to contact your operator and check what's up |
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| 18:23.16 | rhombus | ok, I'll report back. Thanks for the tips! |
| 18:27.04 | KotCzarny | pastebin more |
| 18:27.15 | KotCzarny | actual problem is higher |
| 18:28.11 | KotCzarny | there is a chance for mmc error |
| 18:28.15 | KotCzarny | or full fs |
| 18:28.49 | KotCzarny | oops. wrong chan |
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| 22:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | "no access" never seen, must be bad APN |
| 22:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, maybe operator rejected login |
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