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| 22:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | the reason why you must (or at least once had to, in better times) apply with your full name and address, and get authenticated to a degree where you can get held liable, when you want to upload anything to maemo-extras closed |
| 22:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://cypherpunktalks.slack.com/messages/C994AE797/details/ |
| 22:24.36 | KotCzarny | that page requires login |
| 22:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry |
| 22:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | fscking slack URL redirect |
| 22:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/05/malware-found-in-ubuntu-snap-store.html |
| 22:26.37 | KotCzarny | wtf. hextris was good and fun open source game |
| 22:27.38 | KotCzarny | it's a pity someone takes free stuff and adds toxic |
| 22:31.47 | Maxdamantus | This is why "apps" should generally be sandboxed. |
| 22:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty common though. I'd say whatsapp got invented that way ;-P |
| 22:32.21 | Maxdamantus | imo iOS has been doing the right thing there, and I think Apple are doing something similar with the macOS store. |
| 22:32.50 | Maxdamantus | It's perfectly feasible to do in Linux, but the major distributors at least don't seem to do it. |
| 22:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or what else except adding bling and toxid did they do to IRC to invent wutzap |
| 22:33.39 | Maxdamantus | "malware" in apps should be comparable to "malware" on websites |
| 22:34.19 | Maxdamantus | apps/websites shouldn't be able to do arbitrary things as the user, so it shouldn't be a major issue. |
| 22:35.03 | Maxdamantus | and of course most games should be considered "apps", since they don't need arbitrary access to the filesystem; they just need access to an isolated place to store their state. |
| 22:35.09 | KotCzarny | maybe we should fix people, not do workarounds |
| 22:35.46 | Maxdamantus | "fix people" doesn't work when it comes to computer security. |
| 22:35.53 | Maxdamantus | You're meant to assume that people are malicious. |
| 22:36.38 | Maxdamantus | That's why even supposedly legitimate organisations aren't able to access my filesystem if I just visit their website. |
| 22:37.08 | KotCzarny | unless they use exploits |
| 22:37.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:37.26 | Maxdamantus | All of my computers rely on Linux. That doesn't mean it would be suitable for kernel.org to be able to access my filesystem when I visit it in my browser. |
| 22:40.52 | Maxdamantus | It's just a matter of limiting trust. |
| 22:41.29 | Maxdamantus | There's no reason to have to come up with a system where we have to trust or audit every random game developer. |
| 22:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | okm whatapp prolly has some magic to work around NAT (like STUN or ICE, whatever), so it performs a lil bit less troublesome on DCC-filesharing |
| 22:42.10 | Maxdamantus | You can instead just have a system where you set up a sandbox capable of running untrusted code. That's the basis of web browsers, and imo OSes should be doing the same thing in a lot of cases. |
| 22:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem indeed are people who got so ignorant they can't even imagine there might be such thing like malware and where it's likely to be found |
| 22:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | >How was this possible? Well, the Ubuntu Snap Store allows anyone to upload snap packages |
| 22:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | >An interesting aspect is that Nicolas Tomb used a proprietary license for at least some of his snaps |
| 22:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's where I mused how maemo is or is not threatened by this |
| 22:44.30 | ShadowJK | I would've just assumed it went through server |
| 22:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: possibly |
| 22:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ICE also does, iirc, under certain conditions |
| 22:45.16 | ShadowJK | Especially since whatsapp likes to burn tons of cpu cycles to compress things before it sends |
| 22:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, yeah, samrt on a smartphone |
| 22:52.51 | Maxdamantus | also, something else to be wary of is the fact that code usually has bugs. |
| 22:53.38 | Maxdamantus | So even if you trust that someone will not intentionally put malware in their programs, their programs could have bugs that allow other malicious people to obtain the same level of access as the program. |
| 22:54.27 | Maxdamantus | Those are usually the more important issues. |
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