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| 02:10.32 | Oksana | Is it possible to somehow have several el-v1.db databases, separated by time or type or sender/receiver of messages? Like, world map isn't stored in one gigantic image - it's stored in tiles. Then, as user reads messages (or searches through them), RAM usage increases, but the granularity of the |
| 02:11.27 | Oksana | "many files database" still prevents the massive slow down. |
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| 04:47.59 | mike727 | In Melbourne AU, there is a E90 for sale |
| 04:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | pkthis would be possible but is not supported by any of the processes using el-v1 |
| 04:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: ^^^ |
| 04:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Oksana: you could rename the existing db and a backup db, then kill all the processes that use them and they 'magically' jump to the 'new' db |
| 04:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | need kill -9 |
| 04:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 05:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated fun, that's how I waste my time when I get silly: http://tinyurl.com/y6v89djd |
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| 17:22.09 | Sarah2009 | Hello all :) |
| 17:22.14 | KotCzarny | hi |
| 17:22.55 | Sarah2009 | i am new to linux i have a small question i want to install a programm called woeusb but somehow it is not accepting my command into the terminal can you help me? |
| 17:23.24 | Sarah2009 | this is what i type in "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8" |
| 17:24.05 | KotCzarny | keep in mind maemo's apt is from 2010 |
| 17:24.18 | KotCzarny | maybe it didnt knew about ppa and friends by then |
| 17:24.33 | KotCzarny | pastebin the error ? |
| 17:24.42 | Sarah2009 | i use endless os |
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| 17:25.48 | KotCzarny | never heard of it |
| 17:26.21 | Sarah2009 | i did type this code just now "git clone https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB.git" |
| 17:26.27 | Sarah2009 | and it said done |
| 17:26.40 | Sarah2009 | how can i open the cloned thing now |
| 17:26.49 | KotCzarny | cd WoeUSB ? |
| 17:27.31 | KotCzarny | if you are having troubles with getting areound in command line, try installing mc (midnight commander) |
| 17:27.40 | KotCzarny | should ease looking what and whre |
| 17:27.41 | Sarah2009 | i did type in cd WoeUSB |
| 17:28.05 | Sarah2009 | now it says "WoeUSB$" |
| 17:28.12 | Sarah2009 | but the programm didnt start yet |
| 17:28.17 | Sarah2009 | do you know how i open it? |
| 17:28.58 | KotCzarny | you hjave probably just cloned source |
| 17:29.05 | KotCzarny | look for readme or install text files |
| 17:30.11 | warfare | Sarah2009: Instructions are on https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB (starting at "Build from Source") |
| 17:31.32 | Sarah2009 | i am new to linux i don't know which command i need to type in to install it |
| 17:31.51 | Sarah2009 | i do not know if i need debian based |
| 17:31.53 | Sarah2009 | #fedora |
| 17:31.55 | Sarah2009 | or fedora |
| 17:34.12 | Sarah2009 | so confusing |
| 17:35.08 | KotCzarny | read the install instructions |
| 17:38.54 | Sarah2009 | i tried : "sudo dnf install wxGTK3-devel" didnt work |
| 17:39.02 | Sarah2009 | sudo dnf install wxGTK-devel dh-autoreconf.noarch |
| 17:39.04 | Sarah2009 | also didnt work |
| 17:39.24 | Sarah2009 | sudo apt-get install devscripts equivs gdebi-core this one did an error |
| 17:40.31 | Sarah2009 | cd <WoeUSB source code directory> what is the source code directory? |
| 17:40.56 | Sarah2009 | so confusing |
| 17:41.51 | KotCzarny | apt-get install boolstuff ? |
| 17:42.35 | KotCzarny | or not, hmm, dont know which package has dnf |
| 17:45.06 | Sarah2009 | is there no other way to install it? |
| 17:46.18 | Sarah2009 | like on windows it is just double click on a setupd file :P |
| 17:49.34 | Sarah2009 | so nobody knows how to install this on my computer? |
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| 17:54.06 | KotCzarny | did you do apt-get install and mk-build-deps steps from install instruction? |
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| 17:57.13 | Sarah2009 | tell me what i need to write in |
| 17:57.19 | Sarah2009 | so i can copy paste |
| 17:57.26 | Sarah2009 | i am a real noob sorry |
| 17:58.34 | KotCzarny | see the paragraph after: Install WoeUSB's Build Dependencies |
| 17:58.46 | KotCzarny | dont know what your os is based on, i guess debian |
| 17:58.54 | KotCzarny | try: sudo apt-get install devscripts equivs gdebi-core |
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| 19:06.02 | Sarah2009 | my os is endless os |
| 19:06.07 | Sarah2009 | can you google it? |
| 19:06.28 | Sarah2009 | it says |
| 19:06.35 | Sarah2009 | devscripts cannot be found |
| 19:06.43 | Sarah2009 | equivs cannot be found |
| 19:06.49 | Sarah2009 | gdebi-core cannot be found |
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| 19:55.57 | Sarah2009 | https://thepasteb.in/p/NxhVQJzMOZpHN |
| 20:07.53 | Sarah2009 | anyone can help? |
| 20:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sarah2009: maybe #endless ? |
| 20:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure how this is related to maemo and Nokia NIT devices |
| 20:17.43 | KotCzarny | The operating system that comes with everything your family needs |
| 20:17.53 | KotCzarny | apparently they skipped development |
| 20:17.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:18.14 | KotCzarny | ergo: in eyes of endlessos - family doesnt need development |
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| 20:20.08 | KotCzarny | they dont even provide gcc? |
| 20:20.09 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 20:20.28 | KotCzarny | https://support.endlessm.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002546631-How-can-I-add-tools-like-GCC-on-EOS- |
| 20:21.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | they don't even provide a hint which hw platform they are aiming at |
| 20:21.18 | KotCzarny | https://support.endlessm.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004795106-Is-Endless-OS-based-on-Debian- |
| 20:21.20 | KotCzarny | they do |
| 20:22.15 | KotCzarny | similar answer as 'is maemo based on debian' |
| 20:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well maybe in the fineprint but evidently not on their friggin frontpage that maxed out my 400Mb link for 10s to download... rubbish not shown on the page |
| 20:22.37 | KotCzarny | install noscript extension |
| 20:22.45 | KotCzarny | trims most of the trash away |
| 20:23.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | googles "noscript for konqueror" |
| 20:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway looks like the umpteenth linux flavor made for users who can't decide which apps and wallpaper to install |
| 20:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | just meh |
| 20:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe all that stuff helps teach people there's mor than just 2 OS out there, but in the end you want one of the big penguin five, no? |
| 20:26.34 | KotCzarny | oh wow, they even sell hardware with their os preloaded |
| 20:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT is what they make money from |
| 20:26.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already wondered |
| 20:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, since every PIC embedded in a leaf of toilet paper has to come with own OS nowadays, if only the wallpaper and name changed |
| 20:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be too fishy to sell devices with plain mainstram GNU/linux installed |
| 20:29.29 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.31 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 20:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | see Purism |
| 20:30.17 | Sarah2009 | so anyone knows how to do it? xD |
| 20:30.30 | KotCzarny | Sarah2009: yeah, install ubuntu |
| 20:30.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:30.33 | TheKit | DocScrutinizer05, what about Purism? |
| 20:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | please /join #endless |
| 20:30.59 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: you do release they don't just sell hardware? :-) |
| 20:31.04 | KotCzarny | Sarah2009: another way would be running that ubuntu under windows in virtualbox |
| 20:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems purism needs to roll their own OS |
| 20:31.08 | bencoh | they sell a phone, as a complete solution |
| 20:31.44 | bencoh | meaning they need to ensure proper integration is done |
| 20:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 20:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only they had a clue |
| 20:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | what they consider integration is just branding in my book |
| 20:34.04 | TheKit | if you mean laptops, maybe, but pure Debian is pretty useless on phones/mobile devices |
| 20:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | *I* know that |
| 20:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 20:34.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:34.43 | bencoh | hahaha :-) |
| 20:35.05 | bencoh | honestly, as long as they eventually manage to produce/sell a real, working, modern smartphone with full opensource support, I don't mind the branding :) |
| 20:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 20:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | just you can get that already, basically they are not much more opensource than arbitrary android devices |
| 20:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and well, nobody could |
| 20:36.33 | bencoh | what they're trying to achieve here is really supposed to have full opensource support |
| 20:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't have OS on radio stack |
| 20:37.05 | bencoh | ah, right, sorry, except for baseband ;) |
| 20:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and iirc they fail to provide OS drivers for their WLAN either, also no crime since it's getting hard these days |
| 20:37.42 | bencoh | tbh they had me worried with the "imx6 or imx8" thing (first because it would add a significant dev/prod delay, second because I've worked with the imx* family and imx6 is getting old, and not exactly power efficient) |
| 20:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but all this isn't an achievement basically |
| 20:37.51 | bencoh | but looks like they're doing rather fine thus far |
| 20:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 20:38.18 | bencoh | platform/dev-wise at least |
| 20:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not so sure about that |
| 20:38.43 | bencoh | (I haven't looked much further recently, apart from "working on imx8 integration, things look good") |
| 20:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.MX8 is a monster, you want i,MX8M-mini |
| 20:39.37 | bencoh | I'm a bit jealous, freescale have been trying to push imx8 to us ($job), but the higher-ups have refused even to try it thus far |
| 20:39.44 | bencoh | (for roughly a year) |
| 20:40.22 | bencoh | hmm, it's a monster for tiny embedded devices, not so much for a modern smartphone with 3000~6000mAh |
| 20:40.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | even then |
| 20:40.35 | bencoh | imx8m, that is |
| 20:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs heatsink I heard |
| 20:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and fan |
| 20:40.49 | bencoh | imx8x (your "mini") isn't out yet, so ... not an option |
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| 20:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 20:41.00 | bencoh | a *fan*? wtf :D |
| 20:41.09 | bencoh | reminds me of omap5 :] |
| 20:41.21 | bencoh | (was it omap5 that needed a fan for its dev board?) |
| 20:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know |
| 20:41.47 | KotCzarny | smartphone with a heatsink and a fan. add some blinking leds and neon tubes while you are there |
| 20:41.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | what really freaks me out about purism is their hw switch and how they market that as a huge engineering achievement, comletely ignoring the usability and security(gain) aspects of such simplistic approach |
| 20:43.12 | bencoh | pretty sure they'll end up with throttling it |
| 20:43.57 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: pretty sure it's just a marketing thing |
| 20:44.24 | bencoh | they're trying to sell the device as a secure, privacy-oriented phone |
| 20:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | while actually it is just a lightswitch to cure issues with hypersensitivity to light. Off and you got no phone, on and you got all the problems that piled up, in one rush |
| 20:44.53 | bencoh | so to make people acknowledge that, you sell them a kill switch |
| 20:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 20:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I call that cheating |
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| 20:45.30 | KotCzarny | i call that marketing |
| 20:45.33 | bencoh | because then, when it's off, it's really off (or so people think), unlike software (where you have no way of checking it) |
| 20:45.36 | KotCzarny | (might be same thing) |
| 20:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, purism has excellent marketing |
| 20:46.03 | bencoh | I would call that cheating, if they really had no way of shutting it down :) |
| 20:46.11 | bencoh | (be it software or hardware) |
| 20:46.29 | bencoh | meanwhile, they're just overselling it |
| 20:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | a reansistor and LED would do a better job already, *really* |
| 20:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | transistor |
| 20:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead of a silly hw switch with no feedback |
| 20:47.01 | bencoh | I know, but that wouldn't sell as well |
| 20:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
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| 20:47.37 | bencoh | they probably still have the gpio-driven transistor I guess (or at least I hope) |
| 20:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway folks I have to run, sorry |
| 20:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 20:47.50 | bencoh | take care :-) |
| 20:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
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