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| 07:44.46 | bencoh | mreow~ |
| 07:45.25 | bencoh | any idea how I should check screen state (blank vs on) from an application? |
| 07:46.04 | KotCzarny | ~phone-control |
| 07:46.08 | KotCzarny | ~phonecontrol |
| 07:46.08 | infobot | i guess phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
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| 07:46.33 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 07:46.33 | bencoh | Yeah, but ... 1. not sure that's what I'm looking for 2. I wonder if there is some hildon/osso function to do it |
| 07:46.34 | KotCzarny | nothing there |
| 07:46.42 | KotCzarny | nah, it wasnt for you |
| 07:46.50 | KotCzarny | just didnt remember the link |
| 07:47.01 | bencoh | ? |
| 07:47.05 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Query_lock_state_of_screen_and_keys |
| 07:47.08 | KotCzarny | maybe that? |
| 07:47.12 | bencoh | I don't think so |
| 07:47.17 | KotCzarny | Will return locked or unlocked depending on lock state |
| 07:47.31 | bencoh | I want to vibrate even if device is unlocked, as long as screen is blanked |
| 07:47.39 | bencoh | (after blanking timeout for instance) |
| 07:47.58 | bencoh | I'd happily check Conversation source, but we don't have it :( |
| 07:48.14 | bencoh | hmm ... maybe I can check symbols though |
| 07:48.50 | KotCzarny | i think you can check some widget source |
| 07:49.01 | KotCzarny | or nokia programming hints |
| 07:49.16 | bencoh | those pages seem pretty empty to me |
| 07:49.17 | KotCzarny | they usually have to stop updating when screen blanked |
| 07:49.45 | bencoh | U osso_hw_set_display_event_cb in rtcom-messaging-ui |
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| 07:51.54 | KotCzarny | fun, links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide use nokia.com |
| 07:51.59 | bencoh | yeah :/ |
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| 07:52.28 | Maxdamantus | I think you should be able to tell the state by looking at something in the associated sysfs node. |
| 07:52.33 | KotCzarny | would be nice to convert them into archive.org links |
| 07:52.50 | Maxdamantus | Though maybe if you're writing an actual application, it should go through something else. |
| 07:53.35 | KotCzarny | maxd: well, he simply wants to know lcd power state |
| 07:53.40 | KotCzarny | so sys might be the way |
| 07:53.46 | KotCzarny | as long it's user readable |
| 07:54.24 | Maxdamantus | /sys/class/backlight/acx*/brightness |
| 07:54.31 | bencoh | eww |
| 07:54.44 | Maxdamantus | the lock switch seems to just set that to 0 |
| 07:55.00 | KotCzarny | why eww? fastest and lightest i guess |
| 07:55.40 | Maxdamantus | Though I guess theoretically it might be logical for it to set it to 0 anyway (eg, if there's full sunlight, which means the backlight is pointless) |
| 07:55.52 | Maxdamantus | (though ime, full sunlight means maximum brightness, not minimum) |
| 07:56.08 | KotCzarny | oh, right |
| 07:56.30 | KotCzarny | http://web.archive.org/web/20110622052725/http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/p/d/fds_forum/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf?fdptoken=1308806843_faa0c37acd80f5e2645b6b6625fd02b8 |
| 07:56.56 | bencoh | oh, neat |
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| 07:57.24 | KotCzarny | it might still work directly too, without archive.org |
| 07:59.04 | bencoh | nothing related to what I'm looking for in this doc though |
| 07:59.44 | bencoh | original link no longer works |
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| 08:05.16 | bencoh | interesting ... rtcom-messaging-ui (conversation) does not even use libnotify ... |
| 08:06.01 | bencoh | worse than that, looks like they implemented some builtin notification mechanism |
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| 08:08.01 | KotCzarny | http://web.archive.org/web/20120126154837/http://nds2.fds-forum.nokia.com/p/d/fds_forum/55bf1016-809c-411d-8384-83361c073452/Maemo_5_Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines_v1_1_en.pdf/Maemo_5_Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines_v1_1_en.pdf?fdptoken=1327679314_94d31f4121f17468bd5ad741025d64d7 |
| 08:09.17 | KotCzarny | darn, i recall there was some pdf/page that was talking about when to update widget contents |
| 08:09.23 | KotCzarny | just cant seem to find it |
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| 08:48.29 | bencoh | alright, so ... there is a MCE dbus request for that (#define MCE_DISPLAY_STATUS_GET "get_display_status") |
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| 08:54.22 | spiiroin | bencoh: get initial state with that "get_display_status" mce method call and then track changes by listening to "display_status_ind" mce signals |
| 08:58.35 | spiiroin | bencoh: should be documented in mce-dev. I have no idea where maemo version is located, but for mer docs should apply for these "shared ancestry" parts: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/mce-dev/blob/master/include/mce/dbus-names.h#L222 |
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| 09:05.35 | Maxdamantus | Hm. I imagine optimally you would know to not bother updating just through X11. |
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| 09:12.53 | Maxdamantus | VisibilityNotify event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x2c00001, state VisibilityFullyObscured |
| 09:13.08 | Maxdamantus | Wonder if that event appears in response to locking the screen. |
| 09:14.10 | Maxdamantus | Nope. |
| 09:14.25 | spiiroin | iirc maemo mce just blanks/unblanks the screen via fbdev ioctls - whether xserver can tap to that, ... I do not recall |
| 09:14.57 | bencoh | spiiroin: you're right about fbdev ioctls |
| 09:14.58 | spiiroin | this is one of the parts that was heavily modified in mer - mce syncs blank/unblank with wayland compositor (in lipstick) |
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| 09:15.17 | bencoh | at least for the opensource version |
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| 09:16.26 | spiiroin | well, maemo mce is basically mer mce without few years worth of changes |
| 09:16.37 | bencoh | yeah |
| 09:17.20 | Maxdamantus | Windows don't even seem to be unmapped when switching to other ones on maemo. |
| 09:17.48 | Maxdamantus | or notified of any obscuring. |
| 09:17.53 | bencoh | uh, what? |
| 09:18.02 | bencoh | ah |
| 09:18.19 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: are you playing with xev? |
| 09:18.22 | Maxdamantus | so there's no way for a window to know that its contents are completely irrelevant at the moment. |
| 09:18.25 | Maxdamantus | bencoh: yes. |
| 09:18.58 | Maxdamantus | I would imagine it should probably either unmap or denote obscurity of the window when switching to another one. |
| 09:19.19 | Maxdamantus | and then map/unobscure it when the user goes to the window selection UI. |
| 09:21.27 | Maxdamantus | wonders what other fancy compositing DEs do. |
| 09:21.49 | Maxdamantus | just uses xmonad on his desktops. |
| 09:23.28 | bencoh | alright, so I can either rely on MCE and send a dbus message to query display state before sending every notification, or rely on libosso and register callback to receive device change event (osso_hw_set_event_cb) |
| 09:23.56 | bencoh | (and hope that system_inactivity_ind really reflects display status as mentioned in documentation) |
| 09:24.16 | Maxdamantus | Yay for use of non-standard APIs where existing protocols already solve problems. |
| 09:24.37 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: do you actually know of any standard API to do this? |
| 09:24.42 | Maxdamantus | bencoh: X11 |
| 09:24.56 | Maxdamantus | bencoh: but as I said, the WM on Maemo doesn't send any useful events. |
| 09:25.03 | bencoh | huhu, I wondered about that one, but ... I'd rather not kludge a gtk/hildon codebase |
| 09:25.18 | Maxdamantus | (or unmap the window, which results in Xorg creating the event) |
| 09:25.53 | spiiroin | that libosso stuff is probably just wraps mce dbus interface (for display status) |
| 09:28.04 | bencoh | spiiroin: could be. The thing is that the idea of waiting for mce to answer on every chat message doesn't sound too good to me |
| 09:28.34 | bencoh | so registering / caching state on every update might be better |
| 09:29.09 | spiiroin | bencoh: the normal way to do this is: install "display_status_ind" signal listener, do one "get_display_status" query -> you have initial state and are notified about changes |
| 09:29.13 | bencoh | this is bothering me, for instance https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617310 |
| 09:29.28 | bencoh | spiiroin: I see ... thanks :) |
| 09:30.24 | spiiroin | bencoh: ... and do that query asynchronously while at it ;-) |
| 09:30.26 | bencoh | now the question is ... can I store display state somewhere in this pidgin-libnoityf plugin |
| 09:30.53 | bencoh | spiiroin: with enough motivation I'd probably rewrite that plugin, but .... meh ;) |
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