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08:04.23MaxdamantusHmm .. does anyone know (or is anyone able to check) if the call UI avoids turning off the screen based on the proximity sensor if the keyboard is out?
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08:17.59sicelobased on proximity (actually that's the main reason they have it installed, according to the manual, at least)
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08:21.51siceloah, i misunderstood the question
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08:24.47siceloif keyboard is out, proximity is ignored. covering it does not blank the screen
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08:48.40MaxdamantusMk, so that explains why I've had issues with calls on my current device.
08:48.58MaxdamantusSince the slide detector doesn't work, so the screen stays on during calls.
08:49.14Maxdamantusguess I'll just remember to turn it off manually.
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11:26.52DocScrutinizer05~moo
11:26.53infobotmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
11:28.59DocScrutinizer05ARGGHH my T900 deadlocked, prolly log filled up / completely
11:29.42DocScrutinizer05oh no, it wasn't powered up, LOL
11:31.49DocScrutinizer05anyway sicelo, I *think* (too lazy to get my ass to IroN900 to check) that proximity sensor blanks screen only when the dialer has focus
11:32.25DocScrutinizer05and even then prolly only during call
11:32.54DocScrutinizer05and then I'm unclear if it would happen when speakerphone mode enabled
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12:06.30HalftuxDocScrutinizer05: regarding the psmisc package I think we need to go with a psmisc-gnu package. I would take the source code from sourceforge psmisc-22.21.tar.gz. How would be the correct maemo version numbering. psmisc-22.21maemo1 or psmisc-22.21-1maemo5.
12:07.15DocScrutinizer05NFC, sorry. This always been a mystery to me
12:07.19DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ^^^
12:07.52DocScrutinizer05@devels: ^^^
12:08.15Halftuxyeah for me too, have seen so many variants now :D
12:08.41DocScrutinizer05and 10% of those variants are utterly broken and mess up the repo :-P
12:09.28DocScrutinizer05mompls
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12:12.55DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/25826765  FWIW
12:14.37DocScrutinizer05and http://paste.opensuse.org/20449172 psutils
12:15.26DocScrutinizer05SDK repo sucks
12:16.01DocScrutinizer05it has plain mainline tools just recompiled for target ISa
12:16.40DocScrutinizer05well, all that doesn't answer the question which was the right naming scheme/rev#
12:18.19DocScrutinizer05I *think* -maemo1  but honestly not sure
12:19.14DocScrutinizer05since it's a new package (new name), any "5" doesn't make sense in my book
12:20.26DocScrutinizer05Halftux: anyway please make *ansolutely sure* about correct versioning *before* you upload to builder/repo
12:21.06DocScrutinizer05that shit think locks up hard when there's anything odd in version string
12:21.12DocScrutinizer05thing*
12:22.01Halftuxyeah thats why I am asking
12:22.27DocScrutinizer05zombie packages idling in a tmp dir forever and no new package of faintly same name ever gets processed until some admin cleans out the zombie package
12:23.27DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ^^^ PING
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12:25.37DocScrutinizer05for shits n giggles, try apt-get search gnu
12:25.45HalftuxI can also take the debian jessie source code psmisc_22.21-2 and naming it psmisc-22.21-2maemo1 how about that
12:26.00DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache search gnu|wc -l
12:26.01DocScrutinizer05289
12:26.31DocScrutinizer05didn't you plan to make that psmisc-gnu?
12:28.09Halftuxoh yes sorry then psmisc-gnu_22.21-2maemo1
12:28.46DocScrutinizer05so I *guess*  psmisc-gnu-22.21-2maemo1 or psmisc-gnu-22.21-2-maemo1  or psmisc-gnu-22.21-2-1maemo1
12:29.40DocScrutinizer05and iirc *NOT* psmisc-gnu-22.21-2+maemo1
12:29.51HalftuxI would do it now like Tom Tanner, he was uploading these modified gnu packages
12:30.21DocScrutinizer05please wait for somebody with a clue chiming in
12:30.52DocScrutinizer05a package uploaded to builder is almost impossible to roll back
12:31.27DocScrutinizer05this is an iltra nasty pitfall
12:31.35DocScrutinizer05ultra, even
12:32.24HalftuxI will wait no problem
12:32.35DocScrutinizer05bencoh: chem|st: Wizzup: merlin1991: freemangordon: please help us out
12:32.48DocScrutinizer05*cough*
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12:33.30DocScrutinizer05LOL
12:33.37Halftuxnice one :D
12:33.54DocScrutinizer05indeed, she turned sooo polite lately ;-P
12:35.30DocScrutinizer05~version
12:35.30infobotversion is probably for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command.
12:35.41DocScrutinizer05bllblblblblll!
12:36.39DocScrutinizer05~listvalues *maemo*builder*
12:36.54DocScrutinizer05~autobuilder
12:36.55infobotwell, autobuilder is https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel#Autobuilder_special_considerations
12:37.28DocScrutinizer05~listvalues *maemo*version*
12:39.19Halftux"So if in Debian the package name was something like "Myapp-0.4-2" in maemo this package will be called "Myapp-0.4-2maemo0". The number after the "maemo" string is a progressive number. "
12:40.36Halftuxwould be interesting for packages, which comes not from debian or comes from svn ...
12:42.22Halftuxquote comes from https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging Maemo revision string
12:45.11DocScrutinizer05sounds reasonable
12:46.24DocScrutinizer05~listvalues *maemo*revision*
12:46.39DocScrutinizer05~listvalues *revision*
12:46.46DocScrutinizer05~listvalues *revision*maemo*
12:47.52DocScrutinizer05~#maemo revision is <reply>find info about maemo package version, revision at https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo_revision_string
12:47.52infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
12:48.18DocScrutinizer05~#maemo version is <reply>see #maemo revision
12:48.18infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
12:48.28DocScrutinizer05~version
12:48.28infobotfind info about maemo package version, revision at https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo_revision_string
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13:15.47duncan^Hi, I'm looking for some assistance...
13:16.02duncan^How can I launch the X terminal from the home display?
13:16.32duncan^I select the tiles in the top left corner, and I only see a few items,which do not encompass the full suite pre-installed on a Maemo device.
13:37.58sicelo1) you make a shortcut to it. Or, (2) you use Shift+Ctrl+X
13:38.35sicelounless i misunderstood you
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13:57.39duncan^That's the thing, I've made a shortcut, and it will not launch :/
13:57.47duncan^I'll try CTRL+SHIFT+X
13:58.32duncan^No, that doesn't work either :(
13:59.01duncan^I suspect I might need to do a factory reset, I've got an intermittent error which says that the contacts app stopped due to an "internal error".
14:03.23Halftuxduncan^: how about ssh to your N900
14:06.25duncan^<PROTECTED>
14:06.36duncan^All I want to do is install U-Boot in order to get rid of Maemo :(
14:08.18Halftuxflash the device and start from scratch
14:15.20Vajbjust realized that we have r-base on n900 as well. Is it usable?
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14:17.39sicelogetting rid of Maemo in favor of?
14:20.33Vajblife :D
14:22.57sicelo:-D
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15:06.38freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: pong
15:06.47DocScrutinizer05hi :)
15:06.50freemangordonhi
15:07.07DocScrutinizer05question was about version/revision string of packages
15:07.54freemangordonsorry, backscroll is too long to read, what question?
15:08.05freemangordonor the problem is solved?
15:08.11DocScrutinizer05[2018-03-23 Fri 13:06:30] <Halftux> DocScrutinizer05: regarding the psmisc package I think we need to go with a psmisc-gnu package. I would take the source code from sourceforge psmisc-22.21.tar.gz. How would be the correct maemo version numbering. psmisc-22.21maemo1 or psmisc-22.21-1maemo5.
15:08.30DocScrutinizer05~version
15:08.30infobotfind info about maemo package version, revision at https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo_revision_string
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15:09.24freemangordonI am not sure this is entirely correct though
15:09.35DocScrutinizer05then please fix it :-)
15:09.44DocScrutinizer05or tell me how to fix it
15:10.59freemangordonwhat I see in reality is that versioning is more like $DEB_VERSION+$MAEMO_REVISIONmaemo$MAEMO_ISSUE
15:11.53freemangordoni.e. package-1.2-3+0maemo5 for the first maemo version, package-1.2-3+1maemo5 for the second and so on
15:12.30DocScrutinizer05uhuh, screwed
15:12.35freemangordon*but* - it seems not all the packages follow that
15:12.50freemangordonso I am not really sure what to tell :)
15:12.55freemangordon*say
15:13.24DocScrutinizer05there are however *some* version strings that fsck up the autobuilder/repo, no?
15:13.44DocScrutinizer05or even HAM
15:13.45freemangordonyes, but it is a matter of special characters in there
15:13.48freemangordoniirc
15:13.54DocScrutinizer05:nod:   +
15:13.57DocScrutinizer05iirc
15:14.26freemangordonhowever, I think psmisc-22.21-1maemo5 should be fine
15:14.39DocScrutinizer05:-)
15:14.41freemangordonoh, wait
15:14.45DocScrutinizer05Halftux: ^^^
15:14.55freemangordonpsmisc-22.21+1maemo5
15:15.10DocScrutinizer05arrrgh
15:15.16freemangordon+ (plus), not -(dash)
15:15.43freemangordon- has a special meaning and is reserved for debian maintainers :)
15:16.23DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: any thoughts about i.MX ?
15:16.36freemangordonhmm? what is this? :)
15:16.44DocScrutinizer05i.MX8 SoC
15:16.45freemangordonSoC?
15:16.53freemangordonin what regard?
15:17.03DocScrutinizer05software, whatever
15:17.10freemangordonno idea
15:17.24DocScrutinizer05hardware, availability, quality
15:17.38DocScrutinizer05any comments appreciated
15:17.41freemangordonno, sorry
15:17.46DocScrutinizer05np, ta
15:17.50freemangordonI have NFC
15:18.02DocScrutinizer05please sort that version thing
15:18.20DocScrutinizer05we need an authoritative instruction what must get used
15:19.34DocScrutinizer05this is a topic where I got NFC
15:19.37DocScrutinizer05;-)
15:25.45DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: let me know if http s://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Packaging&action=edit&section=24 doesn't work for you
15:27.10freemangordonit works
15:27.39freemangordonbut I am not really sure how to change it
15:27.55freemangordonI am not the one that designed maemo :)
15:29.58DocScrutinizer05well, but one of those with the most clue about it, particularly autobuilder :-)
15:30.06DocScrutinizer05don't be shy :-)
15:30.53DocScrutinizer05or let's consider whom to ask who got more clue than me and even you
15:31.11DocScrutinizer05pali?
15:31.25DocScrutinizer05~seen pali
15:31.27infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 142d 18h ago, saying: 'ok'.
15:31.32DocScrutinizer05:-O
15:38.36freemangordonit is not about being shy, I am just not sure
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17:20.11duncan^Could someone walk me through using 0xFFFF tool to reset my N900?
17:20.32duncan^It's a drop-in replacement for the manufacturer tool, right?
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17:49.20duncan^I've got the Maemo update image RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin. Is this is fiasco format? Or do I need to do something else in order to reflash rootfs?
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18:04.32sixwheeledbeast~lf
18:04.32infobotsomebody said #maemo lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
18:04.47sixwheeledbeastshould have everything you need
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18:17.57duncan^what a cool script ;)
18:18.01duncan^Thanks :)
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18:22.53duncan^Hmm.
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18:25.15duncan^The script says to remove the battery, and then the script continues. How does that work, given that it just continued anyway?
18:28.43Halftuxdont know the script but before you start flashing your battery should be fully charged and the sim card should be removed
18:28.55duncan^Yes that's fine
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