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00:46.33DocScrutinizer05hmm, prolly by the time cutetube2 got coded, nobody thought sending broadcast content via HTTPS was a smart idea ;-)
00:46.55DocScrutinizer05actually I still doubt it
00:49.10DocScrutinizer05there are usecases where I explicitly want to be allowed to trade in "privacy" for significantly lower CPU load - youtube clearly being one of them
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08:59.07rhombusHi everybody! The first time I connect my N900 as a USB mass storage device after booting, I can see two shares, NOKIA and Nokia N900 . Every time after that, I see only NOKIA. In order to access the other share, I have to reboot the phone.
08:59.47KotCzarnydo you have anything that blocks sdcard from umounting?
09:00.57rhombusKotCzarny: unmounts seem to work fine, I unmount the device from my host device (a Linux laptop), get a message (from the laptop) saying the device is safe to remove, and then disconnect the cable.
09:01.06rhombusKotCzarny: You think maybe the share is not being unmounted cleanly?
09:02.04sicelowhat are those shares by the way? in other words, what is NOKIA? i guess Nokia N900 is MyDocs?
09:02.59rhombussicelo: NOKIA contains "DCIM" (Camera folder, I am assuming), "System Volume Information" and "systemBackups"
09:03.59rhombussicelo: contents of Nokia N900 do not correspond to what is in /home/user/MyDocs (which is empty)
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09:29.50HalftuxI think os can't unmount the mmc you could try osso-mmc-umount.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1 and see what happens
09:30.40Halftuxto mount it for mass storage it is osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1
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10:03.45rhombusHalftux: where do I find osso-usb-mass-storage.sh? It's not in the path (at least, for the unprivileged user)
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11:09.51Vajbbencoh: i have absolutely zero recollection what i meant :D
11:10.40Vajbi'll investigate and report back. I think i used custom url handler and that i used also some other tool to sniff dbus info
11:10.46Vajbmaybe mdbus2
11:11.11Vajbbut now when i check custom url handlers it claims that i have none
11:12.05bencohVajb: nevermind, the line I posted a few hours later works :)
11:12.43bencohand yeah, mdbus2 is more convenient when it comes to discovery (introspection)
11:12.50KotCzarnywiki'ize it!
11:12.51KotCzarny:)
11:13.07bencoh:)
11:13.32KotCzarnyor better, ask cutetube2 author to provide handler?
11:13.47bencohhandler for?
11:14.02KotCzarnyfor youtube links maybe
11:14.13bencohyeah, but for? microb?
11:14.20KotCzarnyyup
11:14.27bencohafaict all http(s):// links go to microb by default
11:14.34bencohso we'd need an extension for it
11:14.38KotCzarnyyes, but extension
11:14.39KotCzarnyyes
11:14.50Vajbok nice to read it works
11:15.06bencohbut, err ... that'd be a good idea yeah
11:15.14bencohsince youtube isn't usable as-is anyway
11:16.18Vajbsome version of cutetube used to sniff clipboard fro yt urls, but that no longer works
11:16.26Vajbfor*
11:16.40Vajbor is it just because of https?
11:16.54KotCzarnyi might compile my clipboard toy for maemo
11:17.09KotCzarnyhas gtk2 ui, so should work
11:17.53Vajbhmm i could use a tool that collects urls and opens them at laptop browser when i get to home wlan
11:18.03bencohVajb: it might be just because of https actually
11:18.21KotCzarnywould have to rewrite it as a systray tool though
11:18.26bencohactually that's one of the things I tried as well, and I was surprised to see it no longer worked
11:19.00KotCzarnyoh well, bbl
11:19.05bencohI guess adding support for https:// url in cutetube2 would be a good idea anyway (I don't think it should be hard since it follows the 302 redir anyway)
11:19.44Vajbis it opensource?
11:20.35bencohcutetube2? of course :)
11:21.54Vajbok. So you can edit it ;)
11:22.25bencohyeah, well I had a quick look and didn't really see a restriction tbh
11:22.32rhombusAny new ideas on how to make my mounts visible in USB mass storage mode? (I must admit to not understanding how they are even made available to the host device,I've never programmed a USB stick before ;-) )
11:22.49bencohI suppose it's related to how relevant qt objects are created
11:23.07bencoh(unless there really is an explicit check on http:// I missed)
11:24.42Vajbrhombus: i guess you have already installed usbhost mode? I just pick the third option from the menu and it works
11:25.16rhombusVajb: what is the usbhost mode? (please forgive my ignorance...)
11:26.08Vajbthe program that you use to be usbhost for memory stick
11:26.23Vajbor i didn't understand your question :)
11:27.26rhombusVajb: sorry, I guess it wasn't clear. I have an N900, and the first time I connect it to a laptop, I see two shares (NOKIA and Nokia N900); the second and all subsequent times, I see only NOKIA.
11:27.50rhombusThe only way to make the 'Nokia N900' share accessible is to restart the phone
11:28.07rhombusI'm trying to understand what is going wrong so that I can fix it :)
11:28.33sicelouse lsof
11:28.44Vajbok my bad then. I thought you were trying to use usb memory stick on n900
11:29.17Vajbbut why do you need usb connection? Why not to use ssh?
11:29.50bencoh"share", as in? samba? mounting mmc as a mass-storage? something else?
11:29.59Vajbi use putty for management and winscp if i need to move files around
11:30.21bencohVajb: it's admittedly slower than directly mounting MyDocs on PC though
11:30.37rhombusVajb: I prefer a serial connection, ssh connections have been slow
11:30.45Vajbssh?
11:30.54bencoh(but I'm with you on this, I'm used to sshing stuff)
11:31.03rhombusbencoh: yes, I guess mounting mmc as a mass-storage device
11:31.14Vajbwell im not usually on a run when i sync my files ;)
11:32.23Vajbi even have custom script to connect to wlan while gprs stays intackt
11:32.42rhombusI don't really know what I am looking at; MyDocs doesn't correspond to what's in the 'Nokia N900' device
11:33.16Vajbi thought that one can't access to n900 filestructure via usb?
11:33.25Vajbjust my docs and mmc
11:34.00rhombusInteresting: my laptop sees 'Nokia N900' as /dev/sdb (no partition), and 'NOKIA' as /dev/sdc1 (partition)
11:34.47rhombussicelo: how do I use lsof to determine the state of the mmc?
11:37.41siceloi don't know what's with your system, but maybe start by running 'mount' to see what mounts exist. you should be able to see which one corresponds to what your NOKIA & Nokia N900 are.
11:38.05sicelothen you can check with lsof what is keeping those in use
11:38.51sicelocould it be that you used a window machine with malware to look at your MyDocs at some point in time and it made things hidden (hence you see it as empty)?
11:39.04sicelos/window/Windows/
11:44.22rhombussicelo: lsof - on the mounting system, or on the N900?
11:44.39rhombussicelo: I only ever connect the N900 to my Linux laptop
11:45.28sicelolsof on N900, to see what's got your drive in use
11:45.57sicelowon't be surprised it that's tracker
11:46.06rhombussicelo: how do I determine the paths for the drive?
11:46.21sicelo'mount'
11:46.33rhombussicelo: on the N900?
11:47.16siceloyes
11:49.08rhombusI see a bunch of tmpfs mounts, then /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3, then /home/opt on /opt type none (bind)
11:49.27rhombusI don't see how any of this has to do with the devices I see on the laptop
11:50.36rhombusokay, lsof | grep /dev/mmcblk brings up nothing
11:51.12siceloeither, as Halftux mentioed, your mounting scripts aren't working fine, or, as KotCzarny mentioned, something is keeping on of the mounts busy. makes sense?
11:52.42rhombussicelo: yes, it makes sense, but I don't even know where to start looking to fix this, I've never made a USB device available (that's what I meant by "programming a USB stick" earlier). I know how to mount USB mass storage devices, but I don't know how to "host" a USB mass storage device
11:53.11siceloyou have a memory card or not?
11:53.32rhombussicelo: yes, I am pretty sure there is a memory card
11:53.58rhombussicelo: yes, in "Storage" in "Settings" it shows a memory card :)
11:54.26sicelogawd. you mean you aren't sure if you inserted a memory card in the device?
11:54.32rhombusand it shows "USB cable connected" - which I would expect, as the device is mounted :)
11:55.01rhombussicelo: I did not insert a card, so know, I cannot automatically be sure that there is a card in the device
11:55.06rhombussicelo: what it has, it came with
11:55.30rhombuss/know/no/
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12:05.17siceloanyway as it was mentioend earlier, exportable mounts are only /home/user/MyDocs (not /home) and /media/mmc1.
12:05.52rhombussicelo: ok, after looking at this https://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash I understand a bit better
12:06.25rhombussicelo: The reason MyDocs is "empty" is that it is unmounted (on the N900) as long as the machine is connected as a USB mass storage device
12:06.52Halftuxrhombus: the scripts are in /usr/sbin
12:06.53rhombussicelo: but lsof | grep mmc doesn't give me any output. I have no idea how this thing is being made available
12:08.49Halftuxmaybe have a look into osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh
12:09.01rhombusHalftux: I see it, having a look now
12:10.16Halftuxosso-mmc-mount.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs/
12:10.33rhombusHalftux: I wonder if it has something to do with the way the device is named. "Nokia N900" has a space...
12:11.04rhombusHalftux: so osso-mmc-mount.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs/ would make the device available as a USB mass storage device?
12:11.04Halftuxis it the host name?
12:11.28rhombusHalftux: no, that's the volume name
12:14.16Halftuxinitctl emit G_FILE_STORAGE_REMOVE     &    rmmod g_file_storage   &  sleep 1 & osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1  &  osso-mmc-mount.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs/
12:14.49Halftuxthis is the mass storage disable script
12:15.17Halftux& means new line
12:15.51rhombusHalftux: hmm
12:18.40rhombusHalftux: is what you posted just now the contents of a script?
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14:09.29DocScrutinizer05rhombus: (tl;dr backlog) you need to stop all apps that access (open filehandle) the volumes you want to export, before you connect device to USB. You MUST NOT start any apps that use the exported volumes while those volumes are exported, or you will create "stealth data" in the mountpoint dir that gets covered and is not visible anymore as soon as your volumes get remounted on device.
14:10.15rhombusDocScrutinizer05: There is no stealth data in the mountpoint dir, so I don't think that has been happening
14:11.40rhombusDocScrutinizer05: The problem is simply that the MyDocs volume is no longer exported after the first mount. When I reconnect the N900, I see only the NOKIA volume
14:12.44rhombusDocScrutinizer05: so you are saying it should be sufficient to close all applications before connecting the device to USB?
14:12.53rhombusI can test this right now
14:14.43DocScrutinizer05lsof is your friend
14:15.25DocScrutinizer05and fuser
14:17.20rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I'm still not clear how I can/should be using lsof here
14:17.37rhombusDocScrutinizer05: it generates many lines of output and I don't know what i should be filtering for
14:17.40DocScrutinizer05Pali: freemangordon: how about a tad smarter script for mass storage mode, that for example does a lsof on the volumes to export, asks user if they want to stop all processes with open filehandles, then bindmounts /dev/null to the unused mountpoints as long as mass storage active?
14:18.01rhombusDocScrutinizer05: that sounds like a clever fix :)
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14:24.02DocScrutinizer05rhombus: along that line:
14:24.05DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# lsof|grep /home/user/MyDocs
14:24.06DocScrutinizer05sh        14529       user  cwd    DIR      179,9    65536          1 /home/user/MyDocs
14:24.29DocScrutinizer05find the other mountpoint in `mount`
14:24.38DocScrutinizer05find the other mountpoints in `mount`
14:24.46DocScrutinizer05HTH
14:24.56rhombusDocScrutinizer05: yes
14:33.02DocScrutinizer05man fuser -> AUTHORS        Werner Almesberger   :-D
14:34.24DocScrutinizer05just wonder which GNU package this is, messybox fuser sucks, as usual
14:39.40DocScrutinizer05actually I can't make messybox fuser do *anything* useful
14:42.00DocScrutinizer05feels like messybox fuser is an alias for :
14:42.15DocScrutinizer05or `true`
14:42.45rhombusDocScrutinizer05: ok, this time it worked, I had only Settings and XTerminal open, and the volume appears when I connect the USB
14:43.15rhombusSorry for all the noise, I guess I just need to make sure I've closed everything when I want to connect
14:43.22DocScrutinizer05as long as your xterm isn't CDed to to one of the dirs, yes
14:43.50DocScrutinizer05np, it's an annoyance at very least, I'd tend to call it a flaw
14:45.00rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I should say that your lsof command does not produce any output, irrespective of whether the volume is mounted externally or not
14:46.00DocScrutinizer05yes, it only produces output for the filehandles that actually touch the volume you're checking
14:46.28rhombusDocScrutinizer05: ah, so I would use it and be able to see what's blocking the volume from being made available
14:46.35DocScrutinizer05xterm, cd /home/user/MyDocs; lsof|grep /home/user/MyDocs
14:46.44DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly
14:46.59rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I thought maybe some daemon was supposed to be managing it :)
14:47.05DocScrutinizer05fuser -k would even be able to instantly kill all those processes
14:47.44DocScrutinizer05if messybox [fuser] wasn'T such a pile of shit
14:48.40DocScrutinizer05~pkg
14:48.40infobothmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
14:49.56DocScrutinizer05can't anybody tell me which gnu package is supposed to provide fuser?
14:50.31DocScrutinizer05hmm psmisc?
14:51.31DocScrutinizer05FSCK!
14:51.33DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache search psmisc
14:51.35DocScrutinizer05busybox-symlinks-psmisc - BusyBox symlinks to provide 'psmisc'
14:53.10DocScrutinizer05meh, wrong catalogs
14:58.55DocScrutinizer05W*T*F?!!!!
14:59.48DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/72372193  >> The following packages will be REMOVED:   busybox-symlinks-psmisc ***cell-modem-ui*** *mp-fremantle-community-pr*<<
15:00.20DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: to the rescue!
15:00.34DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ^^^
15:03.49DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/psmisc/
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15:16.06DocScrutinizer05nothing Konqueror and Ark and sftp:// can't do ;-P  http://paste.opensuse.org/1771800
15:19.02DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/view/psmisc/  needs gnu-repackaging (move from /bin/fuser and /usr/bin/*  to /usr/bn/gnu/*, at least)
15:21.15DocScrutinizer05or you do like me and unpack the http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/psmisc/psmisc_22.6-1_armel.deb and move the executables straight to where they belong, on maemo
15:21.41DocScrutinizer05silly apt shit ;-P
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15:30.45DocScrutinizer05rhombus: http://paste.opensuse.org/442177
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15:44.35rhombusDocScrutinizer05: thanks
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16:12.33HalftuxDocScrutinizer05: so psmisc needs an update and maemo optimization? you want binary in /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu ?
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16:17.48DocScrutinizer05yes#
16:17.58siceloso it turned out to be an lso issue after al
16:18.00DocScrutinizer05the usual stuff
16:18.33Halftuxok I can update the package
16:18.42DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
16:18.42infobotsomebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
16:20.02DocScrutinizer05### breaks cssu-t5.1 MP, so it's commented out. Use on own peril:
16:20.03DocScrutinizer05### allegedly fixed in mp-fremantle-community-pr 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11
16:20.04DocScrutinizer05apt-get install procps
16:20.52DocScrutinizer05Halftux: refer procps pkg
16:21.36DocScrutinizer05and prolly findutils-gnu
16:22.41Halftuxok I will have a look
16:23.29DocScrutinizer05I didn't check the actual GNU relation
16:23.57DocScrutinizer05but obviously something is messed up in dependencies
16:24.52DocScrutinizer05maybe psmisc needs to become psmisc-gnu? no idea
16:25.45DocScrutinizer05or sth is fecked in busybox-symlinks-psmisc
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16:26.25DocScrutinizer05and cell-modem-ui and mp-fremantle-community-pr ?
16:28.38DocScrutinizer05I *guess* the latter to depend on busybox-symlinks-psmisc rather than psmisc itself or the executables it provides
16:28.45DocScrutinizer05two*
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16:29.35DocScrutinizer05maemo, a dependency hell
16:30.34DocScrutinizer05idly wonders if maemo-leste will fix this ancient annoying issue
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16:32.04siceloi'd say already 'fixed' .. by not having it in te first place
16:32.12DocScrutinizer05Halftux: actually not /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu  but simply  /usr/bin/gnu
16:32.32DocScrutinizer05(though it's the same in the end)
16:32.44DocScrutinizer05err is it?
16:33.24Halftuxok to /usr/bin/gnu with maemo auto optify then?
16:35.15DocScrutinizer05I think optification not due here, too small
16:35.42DocScrutinizer05at least the binaries, for docs the situation may differ
16:36.08Halftuxi can look if configure has doc path
16:36.38DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ls -l `which fuser`
16:36.39DocScrutinizer05-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 20460 2009-04-26 23:22 /usr/bin/gnu/fuser
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16:37.10DocScrutinizer0520k, optification not warranted (in my book)
16:38.30DocScrutinizer05I ignored docs, since I got man-n900 anyway
16:39.06DocScrutinizer05and unless you got my docpurge patch, docs get purged on device anyway
16:42.04DocScrutinizer05docpurge patch :-P  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#proper_bash_and_tools
16:42.15Halftuxa docpurge patch from doc :-) I dont have it
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16:52.22Halftuxso busybox symlinks goes to /bin/fuser
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