| 00:01.24 | brolin_empey | Why did Nokia not simply use the 32-GB of eMMC for everything? |
| 00:05.50 | Maxdamantus | It's not only an issue of using eMMC over flash, but also using the ext3 partition (/home) over the FAT32 partition (/home/MyDocs) |
| 00:05.59 | Maxdamantus | er, /home/user/MyDocs * |
| 00:06.56 | Maxdamantus | just has everything not boot-related on a single ext4 partition. No flash, no FAT32. |
| 00:09.49 | Maxdamantus | If I were to run a newer kernel, I'd probably just make a single btrfs volume out of eMMC and SD. |
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| 01:02.18 | pkill9 | found the x86 pi equivalent i was thinking of earlier: Lattepanda |
| 01:03.24 | pkill9 | Maxdamantus: do you know about maemo-leste? |
| 01:11.44 | Maxdamantus | pkill9: not really. I've heard it mentioned here but haven't looked into it. |
| 01:12.29 | Juesto | Maxdamantus: for now it's dev but it's about running a patched Fremantle on modern devuan |
| 01:12.48 | pkill9 | yeah, which means current kernel |
| 01:13.03 | Juesto | ~ftpf |
| 01:13.14 | Juesto | ~fptf |
| 01:13.14 | infobot | well, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 01:13.56 | Juesto | evolution of ^ (?) |
| 01:13.59 | Juesto | kinda |
| 01:16.17 | pkill9 | Maxdamantus: the main project page is at maemo-leste.github.io |
| 01:16.28 | pkill9 | i recommend checking it out |
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| 01:29.49 | Maxdamantus | Mm .. still without looking too much into it, I feel kind of sceptical of the devuan thing. |
| 01:30.50 | Maxdamantus | My feeling is that it should mostly be a matter of getting the relevant programs/libraries into mainline debian, but I don't think I'd be willing to put that much effort into it. |
| 01:33.44 | Maxdamantus | would rather put the effort into just modifying dwm or something to be usable on a mobile device, and finding something to manage SMS/calls. |
| 01:48.21 | Juesto | Maxdamantus: devuan is debian minus systemd, no difference! |
| 01:48.31 | Juesto | openrc is used for init |
| 01:48.49 | Juesto | oh, that would be complicated on n900 |
| 01:49.07 | Juesto | this work is slightly better |
| 01:49.33 | Juesto | it's a separate repository and you uboot leste from sd |
| 01:49.50 | Juesto | leste has a separate deb repo* |
| 01:53.43 | Maxdamantus | Juesto: sure, but why does most of maemo care what init system is used? |
| 01:54.35 | Juesto | uhh |
| 01:55.02 | Juesto | it's just a preference after all |
| 01:55.11 | Juesto | devs pref* |
| 01:55.21 | Juesto | i guess |
| 01:55.34 | Juesto | shrugs |
| 02:00.45 | Oksanaa | Maxdamantus : I just dislike the growing list of programs depending on systemd. It is as if systemd intends to become irreplaceable monopolist... |
| 02:10.54 | Juesto | lol |
| 02:10.59 | Juesto | nice way to put it |
| 02:11.10 | Juesto | tell that to #systemd Oksanaa |
| 02:11.34 | Juesto | Oksanaa also good morning ;) |
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| 03:13.51 | sunshavi | Hi. How could I take a screenshot from cli. Which is the command that runs Shift Control P? |
| 03:30.02 | Maxdamantus | sunshavi: not sure what S-C-P does, but you can use `import` from imagemagick. |
| 03:31.15 | Maxdamantus | import -window ROOT foo.png |
| 03:31.52 | sunshavi | nice i am going to try it right now |
| 03:36.19 | sunshavi | Maxdamantus: import not found |
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| 04:04.29 | Maxdamantus | sunshavi: apt-get install imagemagick |
| 04:11.39 | sunshavi | Maxdamantus: https://transfer.sh/UPFpn/screenshot_180228.png |
| 04:23.50 | Maxdamantus | Not oening random images while on the bus, sorry. |
| 04:24.18 | sunshavi | np. Thanks 4 ur help |
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| 05:15.15 | sicelo | cleanup |
| 05:27.58 | Juesto | lol |
| 05:51.24 | sicelo | it's an alias i have in irssi. unfortunately i sometimes do't realize the / is missing ('blind' typing due to slow network) |
| 05:53.22 | sicelo | another way to get screenshot without installing anything |
| 05:53.45 | sicelo | gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=<filename> |
| 05:59.20 | sicelo | Juesto: i use /cleanup to run /scrollback levelclear -level all,-public,-actions,-hilights,-messages |
| 05:59.51 | KotCzarny | why not /cu then? shorter to type |
| 05:59.53 | sicelo | i could simply block joins/parts etc, but when i'm actively online, i want to see them :-) |
| 06:03.06 | sicelo | good idea |
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| 13:35.05 | sixwheeledbeast | "openrc is used for init" I believe sysV as standard but the idea is for init freedom, which is not that easy with the direction of Debian. |
| 13:35.22 | KotCzarny | +1 |
| 13:39.46 | Juesto | huh ? |
| 13:45.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Devuan uses sysV for init. |
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| 14:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | in an embedded environment like maemo init freedom isn't first thing you worry about |
| 14:01.51 | KotCzarny | but maemo is going to be developed onto other devices too, not necessarily embedded |
| 14:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually devuan been chosen initially to allow keeping maemo's init system |
| 14:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: so what? |
| 14:02.29 | sixwheeledbeast | +1 is seems that is not the plan at the moment. |
| 14:02.55 | KotCzarny | so customazibility and hacks |
| 14:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | to move to another init system, maemo could have sticked to its debian origins and adopt systemd instead of maemo's original init system |
| 14:07.13 | dreamer | just that none of the maemo-leste folks want to deal with systemd ;) |
| 14:07.14 | KotCzarny | im not saying maemo has to change anything |
| 14:07.39 | KotCzarny | i'm saying not taking systemd route allows easier customization if someone wishes |
| 14:10.44 | sixwheeledbeast | or upstart hence openrc. |
| 14:11.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't make sense |
| 14:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least when the idea would have been to stay compatible to maemo fremantle |
| 14:13.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's for sure enough on the plate from porting maemo to a newer kernel so you don't need to change init system which is pretty well FOSSed in maemo, en passant since "we can" |
| 14:14.08 | sixwheeledbeast | the argument was upstart was "unmaintained" |
| 14:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could do that half a year after you brought maemo-keste to a working state with original initsystem |
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| 14:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter how "unmaintained" maemo-upstart might be, it just works on maemo fremantle and I don't see any problems porting it to whatever newer system version |
| 14:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course when you want to re-invent the wheel, you don't start with maemo-upstart but with whatever leete init system you might consider your favorite. Obviously you don't care about compatibility to maemo then |
| 14:21.53 | Juesto | there's already upstart |
| 14:22.44 | Juesto | who cares if it works? and it's a low level part not necessarily a big impact on the experience |
| 14:23.14 | sixwheeledbeast | backward-compatibility cares. |
| 14:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't get it, eh? the question is if you want to port maemo (keeping compatibility) or you rather want to do something new that has an identical "user experience" but no compatibility at all |
| 14:24.28 | Juesto | ok |
| 14:24.41 | sixwheeledbeast | thats a better way to explain it |
| 14:24.44 | Juesto | sorry |
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| 19:43.21 | Maxdamantus | Well, if things really are dependent on the init system, "keeping compatibility" as in continuing to support only maemo-upstart is again just making it harder to support other software. |
| 20:01.16 | Wizzup | sixwheeledbeast: next devuan version will also support openrc, current rc already has it as option in installer |
| 20:06.21 | sixwheeledbeast | it should "support" every init, within reason. I understand installer will need to have a OOTB style functionality. |
| 20:12.03 | Wizzup | sixwheeledbeast: patches welcome |
| 20:20.05 | Juest- | i don't think it's really the case here |
| 20:20.15 | Juest- | plus it can be easily ported up |
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