| 00:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | re >>the reasoning for #harmattan been: both called 'maemo<< same applies to maemo-leste, since allas it's not really meant to be compatible to fremantle |
| 00:01.02 | Wizzup | so far all the dbus calls and gconf keys from fremantle work fine ;) |
| 00:03.00 | Juesto | sicelo: ^ :) that gconf app *should* work fine on Leste |
| 00:03.31 | Juesto | gconf preferences thingy kind of app |
| 00:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool? |
| 00:03.46 | Juesto | yea |
| 00:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | good. does it run on maemo-leste already? |
| 00:04.30 | Juesto | it should, i was able to run it under scratchbox |
| 00:04.31 | Wizzup | gconftool is available yes |
| 00:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it's oooold and probably even its successor obsoleted by now |
| 00:04.54 | Juesto | there's a hildon-akin port of the gnome/gtk app |
| 00:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | agaik |
| 00:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik* |
| 00:05.27 | Juesto | fremantle scratchbox |
| 00:05.34 | Wizzup | I think GNOME(3) still use gconf |
| 00:05.39 | Juesto | yes |
| 00:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | gconf yes, gconftool no |
| 00:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik* |
| 00:05.56 | Juesto | leste isnt on gtk3 yet, right? |
| 00:06.11 | Wizzup | there's gtk2 and gtk3. |
| 00:06.15 | Juesto | I've used gconftool on gnome 3 |
| 00:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | last time I checked, I seem to recall it's been deprecated and marked obsolete on the gconf website |
| 00:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | err gnome website? |
| 00:07.29 | Juesto | good idea for a poll: have a scratchbox of leste? to satisfy those people used to Nokia's way |
| 00:07.36 | Wizzup | then there will be gconftool-2, so will likely require minor changes |
| 00:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | on harmattan gconftool is a symlink to gconftool-2 |
| 00:08.13 | Juesto | feels dumb |
| 00:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or vice versa |
| 00:08.36 | Juesto | bbl |
| 00:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, on fremantle |
| 00:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -l `which gconftool` |
| 00:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2014-12-06 12:41 /usr/bin/gconftool -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool |
| 00:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -l /etc/alternatives/gconftool |
| 00:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2014-12-06 12:41 /etc/alternatives/gconftool -> /usr/bin/gconftool-2 |
| 00:12.57 | Oksana | nods |
| 00:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi! :-) |
| 00:16.29 | Oksana | hello! :-) |
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| 01:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# rl(){ if r=`readlink "$1"`; then echo -n "$(ls -F "$1"|sed 's/ -> .*//') -> "; rl "$r"; else ls -lF "$1"; fi } |
| 01:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# rl `which gconftool` |
| 01:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gconftool@ -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool@ -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 47968 2010-06-08 18:48 /usr/bin/gconftool-2* |
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| 01:52.36 | Juesto | waves Oksana |
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| 06:57.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the reason for #maemo-leste is to keep developer S/N ratio as high as possible. I guess as soon as we have alpha or beta images we'll move here. What we have so far is not really usable for the end-user, but lots of people got excited |
| 06:59.16 | freemangordon | so I would expect to have lots of questions like "my fav app is not available still, could you put it into the repos" in the middle of unrelated conversation regarding mce not talking to systemui, for example :) |
| 07:02.31 | freemangordon | re compatibility with fremantle - again, we do our best to keep it as much compatible as humanly possible. We still didn;t try installing/running stuff from fremantle repos, but the reason being that armel n900 images doesn;t work. Because of armel PVR userspace not being worked on - there are higher priority things ATM |
| 07:03.31 | KotCzarny | is whatsapp already working on leste? ;) |
| 07:03.40 | freemangordon | sure :p |
| 07:04.18 | KotCzarny | for testing oscp is not bad, it is kept to require as few deps as possible |
| 07:04.27 | KotCzarny | s/testing/testing audio |
| 07:05.13 | freemangordon | which is not a good idea until we have xprot packaged for leste |
| 07:05.34 | KotCzarny | you should write it in big letters then |
| 07:05.46 | KotCzarny | those newbies might hurt themselves trying that |
| 07:05.55 | freemangordon | I think it is written |
| 07:06.38 | KotCzarny | or simply disable loudspeakers by default config |
| 07:06.47 | freemangordon | hmm, it is not :(. We have an issue for that, but still |
| 07:06.53 | freemangordon | they are disabled by default |
| 07:08.14 | freemangordon | https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/62 |
| 07:09.42 | KotCzarny | oh nice that you got pavelmachek on the project |
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| 08:30.25 | brolin_empey | Heh, apparently my company has the same size of block for its OUI as Openmoko Inc. (both companies have 2.**24 unique values). |
| 08:32.12 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Do you know what price Openmoko paid the IEEE for the Openmoko OUI? |
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| 08:49.12 | brolin_empey | Or âpow(2,24) unique valuesâ if you speak C instead of Python. |
| 08:51.11 | brolin_empey | Yes, I realise that that is actually a call to a library function, as opposed to an expression without a function call in Python. |
| 08:52.23 | brolin_empey | I mean in the Python language. The CPython interpreter may call the pow function from the C runtime library. |
| 08:54.26 | brolin_empey | What is the Holy Grail of Python? Reportedly Guido van Rossum has already procreated so I guess he can no longer offer his firstborn child. |
| 08:58.45 | brolin_empey | Heh, I guess the persons who argue that whitespace rewrites are a waste of time do not use Python. |
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| 09:43.39 | Maxdamantus | Wouldn't `2.**24` in Python just mean the same thing as `2..__pow__(24)` or something? |
| 09:44.12 | Maxdamantus | >>> 2..__pow__(24) == 2.**24 |
| 09:44.12 | Maxdamantus | True |
| 09:45.47 | Wizzup | sure, but who would use __pow__ :) |
| 09:46.11 | Maxdamantus | Well, the point is that it's just syntactic sugar for a function call. |
| 09:46.30 | Maxdamantus | (afaik .. I don't really know Python very well) |
| 09:47.05 | Maxdamantus | is partially surprised he guessed it correctly and that it didn't turn out to be something like `(2.)._exp_(24)` |
| 09:47.55 | Wizzup | Maxdamantus: so is ... == ... and + ... and - ... and * ... ;-) |
| 09:48.02 | Wizzup | __eq__, __add__, __sub__ |
| 09:48.17 | Maxdamantus | Indeed. Though is isn't. |
| 09:48.24 | Wizzup | sorry? |
| 09:48.31 | Maxdamantus | is is not. |
| 09:48.43 | Maxdamantus | ... is ... |
| 09:49.21 | Wizzup | oh, the keyword is. |
| 09:49.36 | Wizzup | that is type match, so yes |
| 09:49.41 | Maxdamantus | Is is not, yes. |
| 10:07.23 | KotCzarny | that conversation begins to look like some comedian sketch |
| 10:10.13 | Maxdamantus | What's the guy's name on second base? |
| 10:11.20 | KotCzarny | kisser? |
| 10:11.47 | KotCzarny | or was that 1st base |
| 10:12.05 | Maxdamantus | Who's on first. |
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| 12:39.25 | Juesto | comedy sketch, huh? |
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| 16:48.19 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 16:50.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: if you feel like running XPROT test - I got a 200 spare speakers ;-) |
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| 16:51.24 | KotCzarny | lol |
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| 16:54.26 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :D |
| 16:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw <me, 2011> "hello Nokia? How long until you ship the N900? I'm waiting, can't I get an early model and update any firmware fixes later? I would not bother your about any early bugs" >Nokia Hotline>:"Sorry we can't do this. And you wouldn't want to destroy your speakers with a firmware that doesn't take care, would you?" |
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| 16:54.53 | freemangordon | 2011? more like 2009 |
| 16:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 16:55.10 | KotCzarny | or 2008 |
| 16:55.20 | Wizzup | actually I may look at testing xprot port next month |
| 16:57.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | just saying, XPROT seems to be an afterthought, developed in a hurry under extreme pressure. Expect BS in there |
| 16:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders what "X" stand for in XPROT. Crash? Exitus? |
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| 17:20.05 | freemangordon | eXtended, eXtraterrestrial ? |
| 17:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((expect BS)) actually I think it's quite overengineered |
| 17:20.30 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 17:20.45 | freemangordon | though I don;t expect problems |
| 17:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to check e.g. environment temperature or somesuch, which is totally irrelevant |
| 17:21.17 | freemangordon | I tested it enough to be sure it behaves in exactly the same way as stock, just faster |
| 17:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh great! :-)) |
| 17:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you understand what exactly it does? |
| 17:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that this would be a requirement |
| 17:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | just curious |
| 17:23.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: see https://notabug.org/freemangordon/pulseaudio-nokia/commit/b11715c65867ce3ac4108237c70bcd2023df9399 |
| 17:24.38 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC it does speaker coil temperature prediction/estimation and controls HPF based on that temp |
| 17:25.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, somesuch must be it. |
| 17:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | from an engineering POV a simple low frequency energy limiter algo would have sufficed |
| 17:26.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka frequency selective limiter/ALC |
| 17:26.30 | freemangordon | they might have something already done in symbian and just reused it |
| 17:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 17:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | even likely |
| 17:27.29 | freemangordon | because nokia-voice module uses a kind of a "binary executable" (it has a main() function even) embedded in the .so |
| 17:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* a simple fixed-parameters HPF would have done just fine |
| 17:27.47 | freemangordon | which I guess was not invented for fremantle/n900 |
| 17:28.10 | freemangordon | anyway, I am back to REing connui related stuff |
| 17:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh nice |
| 17:28.32 | freemangordon | ah, you-re not aware, sec :) |
| 17:29.02 | freemangordon | https://github.com/maemo-leste/icd2 |
| 17:29.13 | freemangordon | https://github.com/maemo-leste/connui-common |
| 17:29.22 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
| 17:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 17:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you seen the PIA offer I posted in neo chan? |
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| 17:51.13 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, most of the time int last couple of days I was scratching my head trying to figure out why connui does not work :). Saw it now in the chanlog |
| 17:51.25 | freemangordon | *in the |
| 17:51.47 | Juesto | ;) |
| 18:10.43 | sicelo | ~pia |
| 18:10.43 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pia is ask me about pita |
| 18:10.55 | sicelo | huh? |
| 18:11.09 | KotCzarny | pia is typo'ed pita |
| 18:11.17 | KotCzarny | which is pain in the a.. |
| 18:11.57 | sicelo | i see now, in the chan ... it's an org |
| 18:11.59 | KotCzarny | usually non-native english speakers forget about a/the rules and omit them |
| 18:12.11 | KotCzarny | shh.. |
| 18:12.12 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:13.13 | KotCzarny | offtopic, anyone knows the reason or easy fix why chroot'ed commands fail on older kernel? (generic linux) |
| 18:13.30 | KotCzarny | jessie chroot, 3.4.x kernel |
| 18:13.50 | Juesto | there's a kernel channel iirc, debian or devuan? |
| 18:14.18 | KotCzarny | de-systemded debian |
| 18:14.32 | Juesto | you'll get better assistance either in devuan, debian, linux or a kernel channel |
| 18:14.36 | Juesto | then devuan |
| 18:14.43 | Juesto | that's* |
| 18:14.55 | KotCzarny | nah, it's about running scratchbox chroot on jessie |
| 18:15.07 | Juesto | lol infobot |
| 18:15.12 | Juesto | oh |
| 18:15.15 | KotCzarny | the one for n900 work ok, but the one for n8x0 fails |
| 18:15.21 | Juesto | diablo? |
| 18:15.23 | KotCzarny | and both work on mainline kernel |
| 18:15.42 | Juesto | ah i see hmm |
| 18:15.44 | KotCzarny | so probably some thing about glibc/kernel difference |
| 18:15.58 | KotCzarny | but my question is if there is easy tweak/fix |
| 18:16.09 | Juesto | no clue but should :) |
| 18:16.20 | Juesto | what errors it gives |
| 18:16.43 | Juesto | infobot: pia is Private Internet Access |
| 18:16.43 | infobot | ...but pia is already something else... |
| 18:16.47 | Juesto | lol |
| 18:16.55 | KotCzarny | none. it just hangs |
| 18:17.07 | Juesto | syslog, etc? |
| 18:17.33 | Juesto | as in, anything there? |
| 18:17.42 | KotCzarny | no. it probably hangs on some sysop |
| 18:18.27 | Juesto | should there be some log somewhere imo |
| 18:18.33 | KotCzarny | no |
| 18:18.41 | Juesto | oh :( |
| 18:19.37 | Juesto | is the fs binded correctly? perhaps it's a package conflict somewhere? |
| 18:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, PIA is https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ |
| 18:20.01 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 18:20.28 | Juesto | thanks |
| 18:21.04 | Juesto | sicelo: may i pm? |
| 18:21.28 | sicelo | sure |
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| 18:57.26 | mickname | ~flasher |
| 18:57.26 | infobot | refer ~flashing; http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz; list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 18:57.49 | KotCzarny | check ~flashing too |
| 18:57.55 | mickname | ~flashing |
| 18:57.55 | infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing |
| 18:58.25 | mickname | I made my n900 bootloop :( |
| 18:58.35 | KotCzarny | ~bootloop |
| 18:58.35 | infobot | hmm... bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 18:58.47 | KotCzarny | broken fs or flat battery? |
| 18:59.09 | mickname | It was retired to work as a wireless pulseaudio bridge and I messed around with the cssu packages |
| 18:59.23 | KotCzarny | uh oh |
| 18:59.32 | mickname | had been up for around a year, shouln't have touched it :d |
| 18:59.47 | KotCzarny | or did a backup |
| 19:02.52 | mickname | It reboot after the dots hands animation, after reinserting battery, it allows to setup the locale stuff but shuts down after that, |
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| 19:04.16 | mickname | I have a feeling that I'll just get a raspberry pi or something to replace it, the poor old n900 struggles at around 60% cpu usage while ssh-tunneling audio |
| 19:04.34 | KotCzarny | rpi is overpriced piece of trash |
| 19:04.42 | KotCzarny | there are better and cheaper alternatives |
| 19:04.56 | KotCzarny | get something with best mainline support |
| 19:05.27 | mickname | Is there such a thing :p |
| 19:05.44 | KotCzarny | allwinner isnt half bad thanks for community efforts |
| 19:06.10 | KotCzarny | but be sure something that is already well supported |
| 19:06.50 | KotCzarny | soc with a53 cores that have aes implemented, rock |
| 19:14.42 | sixwheeledbeast | rpi is useful for it's purpose, teaching. They where never suppose to be used as servers and other things people use. |
| 19:15.34 | KotCzarny | nor any other cheap sbc |
| 19:16.07 | sixwheeledbeast | your n900 will be repairable and unlikely to be slow if you start fresh |
| 19:16.07 | KotCzarny | i bow to rpi foundation for making hobby sbc popular |
| 19:16.29 | KotCzarny | but other than that, i swear by boards with mainline support |
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| 20:23.58 | pkill9 | sixwheeledbeast: what boards are a decent equivalent to the Pi |
| 20:24.01 | pkill9 | ?* |
| 20:24.19 | KotCzarny | all of them |
| 20:24.29 | sixwheeledbeast | like beagleboard if sbc? |
| 20:24.41 | pkill9 | but the orangepi can have power issues |
| 20:24.46 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 20:24.47 | Juesto | it's all competitive :) |
| 20:24.50 | KotCzarny | only user inflicted |
| 20:24.55 | pkill9 | maybe |
| 20:25.10 | KotCzarny | ie. going cheapest of the cheap |
| 20:26.14 | pkill9 | so what alternatives are there to the Pi, other than beaglebone and banana pi (all that i know of), also there's that x86 board |
| 20:26.21 | KotCzarny | no |
| 20:26.21 | pkill9 | can't remember what it's called |
| 20:26.24 | KotCzarny | bananas are bad |
| 20:26.28 | KotCzarny | only a20 ones are decent |
| 20:26.45 | KotCzarny | you think of asus tinkerboard probably |
| 20:27.12 | pkill9 | you said all of the boards are a decent equivalent to the Pi |
| 20:27.24 | pkill9 | nah it was something else |
| 20:27.29 | KotCzarny | but there are better and worse |
| 20:27.39 | KotCzarny | bananas are on the worse end |
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| 21:04.02 | sixwheeledbeast | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers |
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| 22:56.29 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I meant this block of MAC addresses: https://hwaddress.com/company/openmoko-inc Yes, I know that the certificate for this Web site has expired. |
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| 23:40.43 | Oksanaa | wonders if 15MB of /usr/share/vim/doc+syntax+spell+tutor+autoload should be moved out of home and into, say, MyDocs; probably not... |
| 23:41.24 | Oksanaa | just changed "Used" space of /home from 94% to 64% by deleting messages with attachments from local Sent folder of Modest email client |
| 23:42.56 | Oksanaa | PocketSphinx model is 13MB for only one en_US language; if user wants to use PocketSphinx for, maybe, three languages, then moving PS's models out of /usr/share and into MyDocs might be helpful |