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| 05:10.00 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: I was acknowledging that I had redd your reply to me from 10:14 UTC on Thursday. Note that I do not know your geographic location. |
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| 08:39.50 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 08:53.32 | sixwheeledbeast | brolin_empey: oh, I get you now, UK. |
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| 09:07.19 | Juesto | hi |
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| 10:21.47 | Wikiwide | Quite exhausted. How do I get routing working in Mappero? |
| 10:23.14 | Wikiwide | I get "Connection terminated unexpectedly", most of the time. |
| 10:23.25 | Wikiwide | Sometimes DBus NoReply |
| 10:27.47 | Wikiwide | Granted, I am using cellular internet, because WiFi signal is weak. Either my N900 is damaged, modem's antenna is damaged, or settings need to be changed. |
| 10:36.58 | Juesto | hi there |
| 10:37.40 | Juesto | Wikiwide: probably just timing outs, not much to do given you're on cellular internet, a weak wifi signal may have speed |
| 10:45.08 | Juesto | Wikiwide: were you ever able to connect to it? |
| 10:45.30 | Juesto | s/it/successfully/ |
| 10:45.39 | Juesto | damnit |
| 10:45.41 | Juesto | anyways |
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| 11:15.16 | Vajb | update to my "touch screen acting weird when touched from top left corner" Today i noticed that if i "support" the screen by pressing it gently towards body from low left corner, it works as expected. So i guess my problem comes to worn slide mechanism. |
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| 11:27.47 | sicelo | 00:29 < DocScrutinizer05> sy: *which* packages depend on KP? .... seems to be KP-related packages, at least according to apt-cache rdepends |
| 11:28.35 | Juesto | interesting |
| 11:28.44 | sy | yeah, i don't think kernel power with uboot 'provides' kernel power |
| 11:28.54 | sy | so packages incorrectly think it's not there |
| 11:28.56 | Juesto | Wizzup: so parazyd got pc builds yet? |
| 11:28.59 | sy | and try to flash it |
| 11:29.08 | sy | then i say no and stuff breaks |
| 11:30.12 | sicelo | sy: what is the package you're referring to as kernel power with uboot? |
| 11:30.16 | Wizzup | Juesto: pc builds? do you mean for a VM? |
| 11:30.34 | Wizzup | http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/virtual-machines/20180207/ amd64 vm images |
| 11:31.05 | sy | sicelo: not at my n900 rn but something like Kernel Power (U-boot package) |
| 11:31.13 | sy | from ham |
| 11:31.29 | sicelo | that's just the zImage/uImage iirc :-) |
| 11:31.57 | sy | yes |
| 11:32.02 | sy | that's all i needed |
| 11:32.14 | sicelo | so yes it doesn't really need to depend on KP, because *it is* KP ;) |
| 11:32.23 | sy | oh |
| 11:32.25 | sy | wait |
| 11:32.28 | sy | i misread |
| 11:32.40 | sy | ignore what i said |
| 11:32.43 | sy | I'm dumb |
| 11:32.48 | sicelo | at least in my understanding |
| 11:32.51 | Juesto | its okay :) |
| 11:33.18 | Juesto | Wizzup: well, yeah that's something, how much firmware does it support yet? |
| 11:34.01 | sicelo | i just hope it installs kernel modules if they aren't already there |
| 11:34.43 | Wizzup | Juesto: what do you mean |
| 11:34.52 | Juesto | like, real hardware |
| 11:34.58 | Juesto | and drivers |
| 11:35.13 | Wizzup | it's a generic devuan kernel, so I assume so? |
| 11:35.17 | Juesto | linux firmware = driver mega package supported by the kernel |
| 11:35.19 | Juesto | oh fancy |
| 11:35.53 | Juesto | so it should have decent speeds on a laptop theoretically |
| 11:38.32 | sy | sicelo: so the kernel power package i installed was Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-boot) |
| 11:39.10 | Juesto | are most of the bugs listed in maemo-leste bugtracker reproducible on original nokia? |
| 11:39.18 | sy | and the package that diuretics l depends on the wrong package is Linux kernel for power user (settings and overclock) |
| 11:39.24 | Wizzup | What do you mean, original nokia? |
| 11:40.36 | KotCzarny | i guess he means stock/cssu |
| 11:40.46 | KotCzarny | ie. fremantle |
| 11:41.25 | Wizzup | I doubt that most of the issues/bugs apply. It's different userspace base (no libhal, but udev, upower, etc), different kernel, different kernel-userspace interfaces |
| 11:44.50 | Juesto | Wizzup: many would appreciate a raw image of the system "hard drive" |
| 11:45.13 | Juesto | for non-vm purposes and uncommon configurations due to the specialized software requirement imposed by those formats |
| 11:47.39 | Wizzup | Juesto: many? :p |
| 11:47.44 | Wizzup | you're the first to ask about it |
| 11:47.56 | Wizzup | you can also just install devuan ascii, with openrc as option, then add our repo and install hildon-meta |
| 11:55.36 | Juesto | Wizzupwith the image it's easier ;) |
| 11:55.56 | dreamer | Lazyesto |
| 11:55.58 | dreamer | :P |
| 11:56.10 | Juesto | and it has a useful purpose of offering maemo-leste standalone |
| 11:56.17 | Juesto | heh :) |
| 11:56.32 | Juesto | Wizzup: ^ |
| 11:56.35 | dreamer | Wizzup: my intention still is to try maemo-leste this weekend ;) |
| 11:57.11 | KotCzarny | wizzup: sdcard image with fremantle boot integration would be nice for non-technical users |
| 11:57.30 | Wizzup | dreamer: cool, hopefully we have the kernel battery bug fixed by then |
| 11:57.49 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: not sure what exactly you mean - how would that work, and finally: want to work on it? ;) |
| 11:58.05 | KotCzarny | wizzup, dual boot? |
| 11:58.21 | Juesto | booting up leste and maybe install on top of Fremantle to upgrade it? |
| 11:58.28 | KotCzarny | for those who just want to try out without messing (too much) with their devices |
| 11:58.42 | KotCzarny | leste and fremantle will be probably incompatible |
| 11:59.00 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: do you mean a package for fremantle? |
| 11:59.04 | Juesto | so either dual boot or upgrade path |
| 11:59.22 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: we're still pre-alpha, so not a lot of thought has been given to update paths, and I don't rule out people will have to reflash images in the near future |
| 11:59.33 | sy | was anyone able to get a security device working? |
| 11:59.35 | Juesto | or yeah, try to improve Fremantle with backported FOSS blobs |
| 11:59.47 | sy | like yubibey or a card reader |
| 11:59.57 | sy | i just need usb host mode and pcsc |
| 11:59.58 | KotCzarny | wizzup, sd-only os? with the only exception to add an item to uboot menu |
| 11:59.58 | Wizzup | Juesto: that is explicitly not our goal, but I'm sure connman and icd2 can be added to cssu by someone |
| 12:00.11 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: it already is sd-only ; we just need the uboot menu item |
| 12:00.20 | Juesto | alright |
| 12:00.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:00.43 | Juesto | i know it's beyond the project but it's a good idea ;) |
| 12:00.54 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: you just take the image, xzcat image.img.xz | dd of=/dev/<mmccard> |
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| 12:01.16 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: and them from uboot, select 'u boot console' and type 'run sdboot' |
| 12:01.19 | Wizzup | s/them/then/ |
| 12:01.27 | Wizzup | c'est ca |
| 12:02.00 | KotCzarny | then yeah, definitely updating uboot to autodetect or even contain static option to boot (chain boot?) to sdcard |
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| 12:02.54 | KotCzarny | btw. how big is the packed image? |
| 12:06.07 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/n900/20180215/ |
| 12:06.24 | KotCzarny | hmm, 250M |
| 12:06.26 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: there's also a sunxi image: http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/olimex-lime2/20180209/ |
| 12:06.35 | KotCzarny | it might be feasible to even make online installer |
| 12:06.36 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:06.48 | Wizzup | (but no mali in there yet) |
| 12:07.09 | Juesto | netinstall? |
| 12:07.30 | Juesto | that could work |
| 12:09.26 | Wizzup | 12:59 < sy> i just need usb host mode and pcsc |
| 12:09.44 | Wizzup | host mode should work eventually/soon enough, there's debugfs, so you can use testmode to force it |
| 12:09.53 | Wizzup | and then just install usbutils, pcsc-lite, ccid and such |
| 12:10.19 | Wizzup | bbiab. |
| 12:12.18 | sy | Wizzup: debugfs? |
| 12:12.39 | Wizzup | mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug (iirc) |
| 12:12.39 | dreamer | Wizzup: ah, what's the bug? |
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| 12:12.46 | CatButts | butts |
| 12:12.51 | dreamer | cats |
| 12:13.00 | CatButts | by our powers combined |
| 12:13.16 | Wizzup | dreamer: instead of reporting "discharging" is reports "not charging", which confuses upower, so it doesn't actually stop with the charging animation - https://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=151869726709281&w=2 |
| 12:13.27 | Wizzup | also see replies |
| 12:13.34 | CatButts | what's new in the last two months? |
| 12:13.37 | Wizzup | dreamer: btw, this might be better suited for #maemo-leste |
| 12:13.44 | CatButts | my phone has received little love |
| 12:13.56 | Wizzup | dreamer: yet another channel to add to the list :p |
| 12:14.09 | dreamer | Wizzup: hmmmmmmmm, ok maybe :) |
| 12:15.15 | sy | Wizzup: why does a debug filesystem help with host mode? |
| 12:15.24 | sy | not sure i understand |
| 12:15.57 | Wizzup | sy: n900 doesn't really have 'otg pin', so you need to force the controller to host mode, which is done using debugfs |
| 12:16.06 | Wizzup | there's a lot of info on it |
| 12:16.08 | Wizzup | ~hostmode |
| 12:16.08 | infobot | [hostmode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ, or see ~hostmode-powered |
| 12:16.21 | sy | oh |
| 12:48.14 | sy | I'm getting key expired errors on some repos |
| 12:49.01 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 12:49.01 | infobot | hmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 12:49.22 | KotCzarny | but it's normal |
| 12:49.25 | KotCzarny | since nokia is no more |
| 12:52.37 | sy | right |
| 12:52.56 | sy | but the errors are on the muarf repos |
| 12:52.59 | sy | oh |
| 12:53.05 | sy | there only mirrors |
| 12:53.12 | sy | is there a way i can ignore this |
| 13:08.36 | KotCzarny | yeah, just turn your eye away |
| 13:08.37 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:19.03 | CatButts | wonders if it's possible to cross-compile software for the N900 on windows |
| 13:22.09 | CatButts | I suppose I'd need a specific version of GCC |
| 13:22.22 | CatButts | and probably other complications as well |
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| 13:24.27 | CatButts | besides compiling, there's also packaging! |
| 13:25.42 | KotCzarny | sure, install virtualbox and use vb image |
| 13:27.18 | CatButts | I mean, having tools directly on windows |
| 13:27.29 | CatButts | at least the crosscompile |
| 13:27.33 | KotCzarny | useless |
| 13:28.00 | CatButts | not even the crosscompile? |
| 13:34.27 | CatButts | guess I will have to be stubborn and help myself, KotCzarny :p |
| 13:34.37 | sy | can i flash kernel power then u boot? |
| 13:34.54 | sy | or will it break things since u boot comes with a kernel |
| 13:35.14 | CatButts | I think you need to install special KP for u-boot |
| 13:35.37 | CatButts | u-boot will then load that KP |
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| 13:49.59 | sy | ugh |
| 13:50.31 | sy | but packages depend on the kp that i can't use with uboot |
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| 14:06.54 | sy | Wizzup: confused about how to install pcsc-lite and ccid |
| 14:08.04 | Wizzup | my comments were not for fremantle |
| 14:08.12 | Wizzup | I suggest you don't even try to do it |
| 14:08.30 | Wizzup | everything there is too old to work with the keys (gnupg, pcsc-lite, ccid, etc) |
| 14:08.31 | sy | oh shit |
| 14:09.06 | sy | Wizzup: you meant leste? |
| 14:09.26 | Wizzup | I was describing a hypothetical situation with recent kernel and distro, yes |
| 14:09.41 | Wizzup | I wasn't recommending to do it now, but you can try to post host mode tools/scripts |
| 14:09.49 | Wizzup | s/post/port/ |
| 14:10.09 | sy | right |
| 14:11.23 | sy | could h-e-n work on leste? |
| 14:11.45 | Wizzup | yes. |
| 14:11.55 | Wizzup | but you will have to port it |
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| 15:19.42 | CatButts | thinkens |
| 15:22.06 | CatButts | first thing I should ask myself |
| 15:23.08 | CatButts | is what dificulties would I encounter with using GCC versions other than the one used in Maemo SDK for N900 |
| 15:23.41 | CatButts | I want to make an SDK-in-a-zip type thing |
| 15:24.38 | CatButts | windows and and linux have very different mentalities to how software should be installed/placed |
| 15:25.13 | CatButts | windows has a monolithical "slap everything into a single folder" thing going |
| 15:25.54 | CatButts | linux is "put application parts into corresponding places" |
| 15:26.18 | CatButts | in the OS' folders |
| 15:27.27 | CatButts | there's exists a minimal ext2 image with maemo SDK(circa 50mb) |
| 15:27.50 | CatButts | for running directly on the N900 via chroot |
| 15:28.19 | CatButts | no doubt, that has the required headers/sources/libs |
| 15:28.50 | CatButts | and I am hoping to marry that with the appropiate crosscompiler |
| 15:29.37 | CatButts | (for windows host) |
| 15:29.57 | CatButts | for starters, I want to compile "Hello World" and run it on the device |
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| 15:33.15 | CatButts | anyone wish to hint me on some possible difficulties regarding old libs/kernel and gcc versions? |
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| 15:41.31 | pkill9 | Guix aims to solve the problems caused by dumping different parts of programs into one folder, it's working quite nicely |
| 15:42.21 | pkill9 | basically each software package gets it's own directory tree, even if within that directory tree it uses folders like /lib, /share, etc |
| 15:42.58 | CatButts | ah, that's neat |
| 15:43.09 | CatButts | but I am running windows |
| 15:43.16 | pkill9 | ah |
| 15:43.32 | CatButts | and for windows I stubbornly want a toolkit |
| 15:43.37 | CatButts | without VM images |
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| 18:11.29 | Juesto | CatButts: nope there isnt but nokia's ubuntu lucid vmware, it's for best that way |
| 18:12.00 | Juesto | although i think something was made for Windows but no idea actually |
| 18:12.13 | CatButts | I could attempt the same |
| 18:13.28 | CatButts | at least, as far as collecting the right libs and headers/sources, the proper gcc version for them and making a working binary |
| 18:13.45 | Juesto | you have it on that vm, CatButts |
| 18:14.07 | Juesto | why waste time figuring out |
| 18:15.04 | CatButts | so I rip those out of VM and supply crosscompiler myself |
| 18:15.24 | CatButts | and make a windows doohickey! |
| 18:15.46 | Juesto | again im not sure if there's anything for Windows |
| 18:15.58 | APic | lol |
| 18:16.14 | Juesto | CatButts: pointless anyway, cygwin and mingw |
| 18:18.08 | CatButts | yes, but I'd have to have right versions of headers/libs to match the outdated stuff of Fremantle |
| 18:40.03 | Juesto | use the vm |
| 18:40.13 | Juesto | that one matches your needs |
| 18:46.27 | CatButts | use the VM, Luke! |
| 18:47.35 | APic | lol |
| 18:48.08 | CatButts | Juesto, I stubbornly want to use tools directly on windows, without VM intermediary |
| 18:50.56 | Juesto | then, you wont code |
| 18:51.01 | Juesto | Google is your friend |
| 18:51.07 | Juesto | idc |
| 18:52.32 | Juesto | CatButts: All you can do in windows is make apps with qt creator |
| 18:52.47 | CatButts | I don't like Qt |
| 18:53.03 | Juesto | Then bad news for you |
| 18:54.16 | CatButts | surely it's not impossible to compile helloworld.c on windows and have it run on the n900 |
| 18:56.28 | pkill9 | just switch to linux |
| 18:56.41 | CatButts | no |
| 18:57.30 | Juesto | pkill9: ignore him, he said it twice |
| 18:58.16 | CatButts | who ignore who and for what reasons, Juesto |
| 18:58.26 | CatButts | *ignores |
| 19:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: sy: yes, "Linux kernel for power user (settings and overclock)" obviously MUST NOT depend on KP directly, since KP comes in two packages: *-flasher (lives on NAND) and *-uboot-image (as a file) |
| 19:01.28 | Juesto | why the separation? |
| 19:01.54 | sy | some might not want to use power as a kernel |
| 19:02.03 | sy | not all the time* |
| 19:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: uBoot and kernel live in same NAND partition, and powerkernel leaves no space for uBoot |
| 19:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so uBoot means you have stock kernel on NAND and when you want KP you need the KP-uboot-zimage or whatever the name |
| 19:09.33 | Juesto | ah i see |
| 19:09.50 | Juesto | so it is better to carry uboot separately if installing powerkernel? |
| 19:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Linux kernel for power user (settings and overclock)" needs to depend on a *property* "KP" that's provided by both. Or actually it doesn't need to depend on anything like that, rather check *AT RUNTIME* if everything as expected regarding kernel |
| 19:10.28 | Juesto | s/installing powerkernel/powerkernel is installed/ |
| 19:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | when uboot is installed you need the KP-uboot-zimage |
| 19:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you had KP(-on-NAND) and then install uBott (with stock kernel) I wonder if the device will even bootloop since kernel modules might not match kernel |
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| 20:12.06 | Juesto | how well would the system work with kernel updates? |
| 20:12.16 | Juesto | especially when uboot is separate and using power kernel |
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| 20:37.16 | sicelo | Juesto: some of it does not some care, but then u0boot is not a package for everyone |
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| 23:26.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | kernel updates work as usual, just you need to update a zimage file instead of flashing a binary to a NAND partition |
| 23:27.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | the maemo stock kernel packed together with uboot as siamese twin file for flashing to NAND will never see any updates, I guess |
| 23:28.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | what you update is e.g. the uboot powerkernel image file |
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| 23:41.54 | CatButts | ooh, keepassx updated |
| 23:42.10 | CatButts | I hope it's a pleasant surprise and a usable GUI :P |
| 23:44.04 | CatButts | it is |
| 23:44.22 | CatButts | they unfuckled the topbar menu |
| 23:44.36 | CatButts | and made it usable on the n900 |
| 23:44.39 | CatButts | kudos to that |
| 23:47.46 | pkill9 | Wizzup: is it possible to tell the kernel to only charge up to 80% battery in maemo-leste? |
| 23:48.02 | pkill9 | if possible it would be good to have that option |
| 23:48.17 | pkill9 | nice CatButts |
| 23:50.31 | CatButts | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348544204072288257/380981105232314368/screenshot00.png previous state :P |
| 23:59.27 | sixwheeledbeast | updated |
