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| 01:20.31 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 07:14.01 | brolin_empey | Are Wikiwide and Oksana the same person? Or are they related? |
| 07:14.25 | Juesto | brolin_empey: yes, Wikiwide is Oksana |
| 07:14.43 | Juesto | Why? |
| 07:16.19 | brolin_empey | Anyway, Wikiwide is no longer here but I wanted to tell them that they were actually discussing touch panel technology, not display technology. A touch panel is often used without a display, such as for a (capacitive) trackpad. |
| 07:16.48 | Juesto | brolin_empey: she isnt around right now but she will read your message soon, oksana is connected but away |
| 07:17.37 | Juesto | ah, yeah interesting |
| 07:17.45 | Juesto | Touch is often confused with touch |
| 07:17.49 | Juesto | displays* |
| 07:18.10 | Juesto | there's touch tablets too |
| 07:23.22 | brolin_empey | Juesto: ACK. |
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| 10:54.46 | Wizzup | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100192 |
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| 11:36.00 | enyc | Wizzup: was about to ask about this new devuan n900 test etc |
| 11:36.05 | enyc | looks |
| 11:36.24 | enyc | oooooooooooooh bugtrackers and all |
| 11:46.25 | enyc | Wizzup: to what extent is this system funcitonaly-limited by the n900 ram size? Can stuff be built with "thumb2" isa similarly? I would like to suggest using the same "flopswap" (on sd-card, not wearing out internal-memory!) system as is available in cssu... |
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| 12:17.36 | Wizzup | enyc: yes, thumb can be done |
| 12:17.46 | Wizzup | enyc: we also use zram |
| 12:44.33 | enyc | Wizzup: 'can be done' -> whats' involved to amke this work reliably for most package builds, though? |
| 12:45.54 | freemangordon | enyc: turning a knod in the autobuilder |
| 12:46.01 | freemangordon | *knob |
| 12:46.54 | enyc | freemangordon: the 'power' kernel required/included tweaks/workarounds to make thumb2 work reliably, does the 4.15/whatever kernel have the same workarounds actually enabled? |
| 12:47.35 | freemangordon | enyc: thumb errata workaround was upstreamed long time ago, so yes. |
| 12:47.57 | enyc | excellent |
| 12:48.18 | enyc | (i got the mirpession things like that had sometimes to be 'enabled', not always on-by-default in kconfig .... |
| 12:48.30 | enyc | because, e.g. sometimes causes some slowdown, or that kind of thing |
| 12:48.37 | freemangordon | http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2013-March/159347.html |
| 12:48.53 | freemangordon | well, it has to be enabled in kernel config |
| 12:49.26 | freemangordon | but iirc it is enabled by default in omap2plus_defconfig |
| 12:49.46 | freemangordon | and we have it enabled in config we're using to build n900 kernel |
| 12:50.44 | freemangordon | enyc: https://github.com/maemo-leste/n9xx-linux/blob/pvr-wip/arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig#L498 |
| 12:54.38 | enyc | Linux/arm 4.15.0-rc6 |
| 12:55.02 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 12:55.34 | freemangordon | that was the last one 3 weeks ago :) |
| 12:56.02 | enyc | hrrm... KPTI on armhf nedeed I wonder? |
| 12:56.10 | enyc | this new image, is armhf in nature, rather than armel ??? |
| 12:56.26 | freemangordon | yes, armhf, but we'll build armel soon |
| 12:56.38 | enyc | whys' armel wanted/needed ? |
| 12:56.43 | freemangordon | again, a knob in jenkins |
| 12:56.57 | freemangordon | enyc: for ABI compatibility with fremantle binaries |
| 12:57.15 | enyc | freemangordon: hrrm, which means duplicate libraries and more ram/disk and all that, on an install? |
| 12:57.24 | enyc | [can you multiarch armhf and armel on same install??] |
| 12:57.31 | freemangordon | why should we? |
| 12:57.39 | freemangordon | we'll have separate images |
| 12:58.14 | enyc | i thought, armhf faster, use cpu features properly, and all that.... whcih for 'new' system makes sense... |
| 12:58.26 | enyc | the problem is, if you have binary-only fremantle binaries you want bincompat with? |
| 12:58.46 | enyc | I would think, multiarch (might) be a useful compromise |
| 12:58.59 | enyc | to get 'best of both worlds' |
| 12:59.35 | freemangordon | I don;t think it is a good idea on 256 MB RAM device |
| 12:59.48 | enyc | kk, for reason I meantioned (duplicates in ram and all) |
| 12:59.54 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 13:00.03 | enyc | does that mean duplicate C-ilbabry and all? |
| 13:00.11 | freemangordon | afaik yes |
| 13:00.28 | freemangordon | thus, we'll provide separate armel image |
| 13:01.55 | enyc | ... but the armhf image will allow installing the armel multiarch, if desired (e.g. to run some particular application, even if not 'core system' etc...) ?? |
| 13:03.02 | freemangordon | enyc: right now there are bot armhf and armel binaries in the repos |
| 13:03.07 | freemangordon | *both |
| 13:03.14 | enyc | right, so it should be do-able, in theory |
| 13:03.18 | freemangordon | mhm |
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| 13:10.20 | enyc | Question is, what ''blockers'' in core-maemo-system are there, that will need armel? |
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