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01:11.07freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: well, I guess n900 is safe from at least Variant1 with KP and modern kernels, as because of thumb errata BTB is flushed on every context switch.
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01:15.13freemangordonsorry, it is Variant2 that I meant
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10:49.29CatButtslet's hope my N900 will be more resilient than a Dell laptop :P
10:50.12CatButtsthe peripheral power block on my laptop(usb, ethernet. etc) kicked the bucket
10:50.53CatButtsand to hope I will get many years of service from it
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11:31.26sixwheeledbeastI find Dells pretty solid.
11:48.08sicelowhat is usual bandwidth usage for multiplayer games (even LAN only). i've never played any, but might want to try one
11:48.21Hurrian<1Mbit/s
11:48.33KotCzarnydepends, from few kbits to tens of kbits
11:48.33Hurrianor even a few dozen Kbyte/s actually
11:48.46KotCzarnybut ping is the most important
11:49.09Hurriannetcode is surprisingly efficient, to get it in as few packets as possible
11:49.11KotCzarny(also keep in mind that saturating your uplink will actually kill your ping)
11:49.13Hurrianyeah, to reduce ping
11:50.38sicelocool. i'll try it with a friend sometime soon
11:55.23sixwheeledbeastIt would depend heavily on the game. Are you concerned about upload (hosting) or download, total usage?
11:56.13sicelojust speed :-)
11:56.36sicelowe'll actually be doing it over 2G/33G
11:56.44KotCzarnywork your ping baby, work it
11:56.58KotCzarny2g is bad expect 100-200ms MINIMUM
11:57.17KotCzarnywith 3g you might get to ~20-30ms
11:57.26KotCzarnywhich is acceptable
11:58.10KotCzarnybut heavily depends on network status and additional routes
12:04.18siceloi'll test and inform how it goes
12:05.16sicelofirst have to decide what game we'll use ... maybe battle for wesnoth
12:05.35KotCzarnyoh, so turn based? not fps?
12:06.33KotCzarnythen its usually miniscule amount of data
12:06.34siceloshooter? i don't like shooting games. i can play racing though, e.g. torcs or whatever else is available/good
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12:49.08brolin_empeyI doubt that anyone really cares but to follow up on what I said I should do when I am back at work: Apparently the D-Link DUB-E100 hardware version D1, which seems to be the current version, still uses the same USB vendor and device identifers (2001:1A02) as the hardware version C1, which was current in 2013.  Consequently, no change to the asix Linux driver is necessary to support the hardware version D1.
12:53.09brolin_empeysicelo: There are driving/racing mods for some FPS games, such as Quake Rally for Quake (original) and Q3Rally for Quake III: (Team) Arena.
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13:05.45sixwheeledbeastI believe Doom and Quake should be kept separate from the more modern murder simulators.
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13:24.27brolin_empeysixwheeledbeast: Are there many crows in a murder simulator? ;-)
13:25.31sixwheeledbeastAre there many crows in a murder?
13:25.53KotCzarnyat least one, if murder is good.
13:27.05brolin_empeyThat was a pun.  A group of crows is called a murder, like a school of fish for a group of fish.
13:27.45brolin_empey“a murder of crows”.
13:27.59sixwheeledbeastBeing serious tho, shooting "aliens and monsters" is completely different to simulated people.
13:28.20KotCzarnywhat about people that are monsters?
13:28.49KotCzarnybtw. if you think of murder of crows, imagine that: http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=33217
13:28.53brolin_empeyOr persons that are illegal aliens in a political sense?
13:28.55sixwheeledbeastAnd yes the pun was so subtle I didn't see it until you mentioned.
13:29.19brolin_empeyOr even legal aliens, I suppose.
13:29.26KotCzarnyhmm
13:29.49KotCzarnylong reading, but read it
13:29.59KotCzarnyand imagine the scene
13:33.16brolin_empeyIs a lawyer who is an illegal alien a legal alien?
13:33.32brolin_empeyOr an illegal legal alien?
13:36.09sixwheeledbeastillegal alien with a law degree?
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15:37.45luke-jrguess I'm not giving up on N900 just yet after all XD
15:37.58KotCzarnyyay!
15:47.05luke-jrwait, N900 is vulnerable too :<
15:47.24luke-jrbut at least it isn't in pieces on my desk
15:47.27KotCzarnyit isnt, according to fmg it's errata prevents it
15:47.32luke-jr* my original N900 is, but not my backup N900
15:47.38luke-jrKotCzarny: what?
15:48.02KotCzarnyyou are talking about speculative fun that hit media recently ?
15:48.16luke-jrSpectre, yes
15:48.22luke-jrhits everything since 1994 IIRC
15:49.06KotCzarny02:11 #maemo freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: well, I guess n900 is safe from at least Variant1
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15:49.10KotCzarny02:15 #maemo freemangordon> sorry, it is Variant2 that I meant
15:49.13KotCzarnyhah
15:50.06luke-jrnot sure that means it's immune entirely
15:50.24luke-jralthough, N900 is single-core?
15:50.33luke-jrmaybe that gets the other piece of the puzzle
15:51.47freemangordonluke-jr: IIUC it is not about the matter of cores, but the way those cores work
15:52.05freemangordonspeculative execution, branch prediction, etc
15:52.33luke-jrfreemangordon: IIUC, having multiple cores can be used as part of the exploit
15:52.55freemangordonbut, IIUC, having single core does not prevent it
15:53.08luke-jrbut single core plus what you said *might*?
15:53.34freemangordonyes
15:53.47freemangordonhowever, the info I hit so far is too fuzzy
15:53.53luke-jrhow's Devuan looking? or is there any other reasonably updated OS for N900 these days?
15:55.08freemangordonluke-jr: by devuan you mean maemo-leste?
16:02.23CatButts[13:31] <sixwheeledbeast> I find Dells pretty solid.
16:02.28CatButtslooks like mine wasn't
16:02.33CatButts:P
16:02.55CatButtsor maybe my chingchong powerbrick killed it
16:03.05CatButtsnon-Dell
16:03.45CatButtsno DRM chip
16:04.14CatButtsthe DRM chip in the charger talks to laptop and allows charging
16:04.24CatButtsthe third wire
16:06.27CatButtsI took cable from defunct original charger and soldered a barell connector on the other end to plug charger
16:06.38CatButts*to plug 3rd party charger
16:06.41bencoh17:49 < KotCzarny>  with KP and modern kernels, as because of thumb errata BTB is flushed on every context switch.
16:06.58bencohyay for ARM erratas :D
16:07.34bencohbut, err ... running js code in microb is way too slow anyway
16:07.39bencohand n900 is mostly a single-user phone
16:07.49bencoh(and there is no real security between apps)
16:07.54bencohso .... who cares? :)
16:09.34CatButtsjust get a Palm TX, problem solved
16:09.40CatButtshides
16:13.35sixwheeledbeastI have several 10+ year old dell laptops with no issues myself. I know of plenty other people who have more modern ones with no issues.
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16:57.31CatButtsDell Latitude E6400
16:58.05CatButtsthen maybe my wonky powerbrick killed it
16:58.23CatButtsafter the main one died, I used multi-voltage brick
16:58.25KotCzarnycheap one buys twice. or ten times
16:58.39KotCzarnyi hate those noisy pieces of sh*t
16:58.59CatButtsby noisy, you mean electrical noise
16:59.03CatButtsor coil whine?
16:59.07KotCzarnyboth
16:59.15CatButtslol
16:59.37CatButtswould it be no surprise if powerbrick killed laptop's innards?
16:59.45KotCzarnyyup
17:00.35KotCzarnyit's better to buy used originals than those cheap replacements
17:01.06CatButtsit was what was at hand
17:01.11CatButtsand I stuck with it
17:02.11KotCzarnyread some pages on dissecting phone/laptop chargers
17:02.34KotCzarnyit's really convincing to see how they behave under load and sometimes even in idle
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