IRC log for #maemo on 20180102

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01:20.45*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~lf (or ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher) sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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06:43.10vahehi #maemo happy new year
06:58.49vaheCatButts:  how to use screen off?  :D (devuan)
06:59.55vahecan not seem to turn off the screen (button side ) :D
07:56.11CatButtsI dunno either
07:56.40CatButtsI lost enthusiasm when I tried to dd backup devuan partition directly on the phone
07:56.51CatButtshalf a day for 3 gb
07:57.04CatButts(device is 4gb wide)
07:57.27CatButts@ vahe
07:57.59CatButtsI installed xorg and started it at one point
07:58.16CatButtsthe mouse input was uncallibrated and upside down
07:58.33CatButtsthere some config to be done there
07:59.44CatButtsthen I decided xorg is a bloated piece of doo doo
07:59.53CatButtsso I formatted and started over
08:00.11CatButtsI am now at the stage before installing any x-server
08:03.36vaheI did not understand everything, my English is not the curve allows you to understand a lot
08:04.11CatButtswhoops
08:04.18vahewhy are you re-installed the OS ?
08:04.39CatButtsI feel x-org is too bulky
08:04.41CatButtsbloated
08:04.46KotCzarnybecause he is lazy and likes to do more work
08:05.02KotCzarnyalso, because some people have to learn on their mistakes
08:05.12CatButtsand that there should be something more lightweight out there
08:05.33KotCzarnywhich is sometimes progressing things, but most often time waste
08:05.48CatButtsrolls on his wasted cat butt
08:06.09CatButtsI left my devuan initiative unfinished
08:06.42vahefor example, there is a chroot install from apt Manager Debian , it also works fine why should there be a problem with xorg
08:07.45vaheCatButts: you mean that xorg is too large for that and have a 4GB drive at least?
08:08.07CatButtsI am pretentious, I guess :P
08:08.34vaheor CPU can't ?
08:09.13CatButtsit's only a few hundred mb or space
08:09.18CatButtsshould fit fine
08:09.40CatButtsbut I think it could be less that hundreds of mb of space used :P
08:11.08vahe3gb
08:11.10vahe:D
08:12.15vaheI'm thinking of installing gentoo
08:12.33vahestill don't know how but I think about it
08:12.57vahegentoo more easy
08:14.12vahedevuan it's Debian
08:14.13vaheor just buy a SD card 4GB )
08:15.24vaheCatButts: now what process are you ?
08:15.47CatButtsbefore any X server install
08:15.52vaheyou have a sdcard 2gb ?
08:16.05CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/devuan_steps.txt
08:16.10CatButts4gb
08:19.52vaheCatButts: `wpa_passphrase name_ssid passwd`
08:20.46CatButtsdoes that output to file or just stdout?
08:20.52CatButtsI think it does the latter
08:20.53vaheanyway, I do not agree with the settings wpa_supplicant, it's too personal
08:21.11CatButtsI can't find < and > on my keyboard
08:21.51vahelol
08:21.57bencohmaybe there are none
08:22.12Wizzupit's bluearrow + arrow
08:22.16Wizzupleft/right
08:22.25CatButtseven in devuan?
08:22.27CatButtsoh
08:22.31CatButtsderp
08:23.08CatButtswpa_passphrase must be piped to a certain file
08:23.21CatButtsthen connection manually started
08:23.27Wizzuppipe is bluearrow+z
08:23.27vaheand how will the <tab> ?
08:23.34Wizzupctri+i is tab
08:23.49vahethanks
08:23.53Wizzupafk
08:26.14vaheCatButts: think about the backup is also not necessary
08:26.27CatButtsit is not
08:26.47vaheflwm? :) lest go gnome :D
08:27.02vahelet's*
08:27.16CatButtsbut if I want to redo from before installing x-server, I think I am going to want that backup
08:29.58vahethen write in the article is optional
08:30.00vahe:)
08:30.13CatButts>At this stage, you may want to
08:30.17CatButts>may
08:30.20CatButtsI did
08:30.28CatButtsbut not in very explicit English
08:30.48CatButtsit's not an article yet, it's writing on a napkin, vahe :P
08:31.02vahethings you can write while recommendations on optional :D
08:32.26CatButtsdd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=./mybackup.img
08:32.35vaheahaha lol http://cat.butt.care:3434/
08:32.37vahenice
08:32.52CatButtsI think it may be worth limiting that to the original image's size
08:33.06vahethis is a home server?
08:33.17CatButtsyes
08:33.36CatButtsit is a fast response image sharing solution
08:33.51CatButtsif I can remember a filename, I can show the file to the world
08:34.55CatButtslike for the word butt
08:35.09CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/table-cat-4-are-you-putting-me-on-a-diet-does-my-butt-look-big.jpg
08:35.45vahemy identity is many servers at home, only use was local, my ISP sells real very expensive
08:36.24CatButtsif you can forward ports, you can host
08:36.32CatButtsdo you use windows?
08:37.23CatButts>30 kb/s
08:37.31CatButtshmm, dissapointing upload speed
08:37.46vahemy ip owns 1000 houses , they hand out ip as a proxy :D
08:37.56CatButtsthat sucks
08:38.01vaheit's a long story
08:38.36vahegood kitty )
08:38.37CatButtsget in trouble somewhere with ban-by-ip, others suffer for you
08:38.47vaheno im no use windows 10 years
08:38.54CatButtsah
08:38.55vaheim gentoo user :)
08:38.58vahefuntoo OS
08:39.09CatButtsI am stubborn winXP user
08:39.58CatButtsI have a puppy linux handy
08:40.15CatButtsbut I only use it once a month or two to back up all my partitions
08:40.29CatButtsand of course, the n900
08:40.33vahe:)
08:41.25CatButtsI am under the suspicion that ext2 and ext3 are slow to write large files to
08:41.54CatButtsI tried above partition backup with dd on an ext3, bad idea
08:42.09CatButtsI reformatted to ext4 and dd images into it
08:42.14CatButtsmassive speed improvement
08:42.30CatButtsthis slowness seems to reflect on the n900 as well
08:42.41CatButtsI formatted MyDocs to ext2
08:42.56CatButtsand tried to dd into it
08:43.13CatButtsmax cpu usage, half a day to write circa 3gb
08:43.47CatButtsso, is this the case with ext2 and ext3 and my suspicions are correct?
08:44.20KotCzarnyext3 doubles the writes in worst case
08:44.23vahehn? you formatted the MyDocs Maemo?
08:44.32KotCzarnyas it updates the journal
08:45.07vaheCatButts: that is, you don't have Maemo?
08:45.42CatButtsMyDocs is the internal 32 gb partition
08:45.44CatButtsyes?
08:45.59CatButtsI formated that from fat32 to ext2
08:46.00vaheyes
08:46.04vaheoh
08:46.29vaheI thought boot lies like that on Maemo
08:46.30CatButtsI am starting to regret this decision
08:47.30CatButtsboot is in 2gb nand
08:47.35CatButtsor something
08:47.39vahedid you try to do, reboot?  work ?
08:47.55CatButtsthe partition is fine, the phone works fine
08:48.05CatButtsmy regret is with above dd
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08:48.45vahejust for curious, my funtoo OS is on the xfs
08:48.55vahemkfs.xfs /dev/mm...
08:49.00CatButtsunfamiliar
08:49.39vahefor me better than ext4
08:51.37CatButtsI should go ask in linux-centered place to confirm my suspicion about ext2/ext3 slowness
08:53.30CatButtsand why it is so
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09:12.22Wizzup~.
09:12.23infobotmethinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.
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09:12.35KotCzarnyhehe
09:12.45Wizzuplol
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12:34.28ShadowJKCatButts, the emmc is very sensitive to the transfer size, if you dd something big, make bs=131702 or even bigger
12:34.40ShadowJK2^n sizes
12:35.27ShadowJKI think ext4 delays some writes, the delays make it possible to gather bigger chunks before it gets sent to phsical storage
12:35.43buZzafaik its usually best in flashmem to do bs=4M
12:36.16KotCzarnyas long you dont add fsync to dd, linux might buffer it anyway
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12:54.16citylight2hello, I am seeking help using python-brisa for ssdp
12:54.35citylight2when I try to install this, I get a gobject error, and I wan to know if it is still maintained/used
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13:57.08vaheCatButts: how are you doing ? I can't do anything :D  everything I do fails
13:58.12vahedistfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/arm/musl/stage3-armv7a_hardfp-musl-vanilla-20171112.tar.bz2 this manual does not work , a lot of what is written a lot of things need to change
13:58.26vahesorry https://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900
13:58.49vahethis
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18:55.58CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/20180101_001.jpg man, I think my N900's camera is bollocks
18:56.17CatButtshow do photocells even end up this way?
18:56.31CatButtsdo they have a shelf-life or something?
18:56.54KotCzarnyradioactivity can kill pixels
18:57.24KotCzarnygoogle for 'camera raid through radioactive chamber'
18:57.25CatButtsso it dies from cosmos rays in time :P
18:57.31KotCzarnyor was it synchrotron
18:59.57CatButtsfinds bad 4chan IP cam trolling videos
19:00.08CatButtsclearly I took wrong turn left
19:00.14CatButts*wrong left turn
19:00.47KotCzarny/me is selling old items on steam
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19:02.56CatButts[15:57] <vahe> CatButts: how are you doing ? I can't do anything :D  everything I do fails
19:02.58CatButtssame
19:03.16CatButtsI guess I will go nap instead
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20:05.24ShadowJKWow that is quite out of focos
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22:53.43DocScrutinizer05~+help
22:54.02DocScrutinizer05Sigyn: all banana?
22:56.46DocScrutinizer05CatButts: same marks on all photos?
22:57.11DocScrutinizer05I mean... could also be DSP or RAM issue
22:57.40DocScrutinizer05but focusing on the sun can cause this too
23:02.16DocScrutinizer05and lazors of course
23:02.56DocScrutinizer05CatButts: but generally this isn't a known problem
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