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| 09:58.31 | Wizzup | ilew: One thing that I did notice is that this morning I was prompted for a cssu update again, but this time it just wanted to add the normal cssu (not testing) *repo* to ham. Kinda confusing. |
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| 10:30.56 | CatButts | hai guise |
| 10:31.16 | CatButts | what's your opinion of the various browsers for the N900 |
| 10:31.21 | CatButts | I'll start |
| 10:31.35 | KotCzarny | forget about it. unless for really simple things |
| 10:31.48 | CatButts | stock MicroB: reasonably fast, good integration |
| 10:32.06 | CatButts | opera mobile: crashy, reasonably fast, can select text |
| 10:32.17 | CatButts | Fennec: piss slow |
| 10:32.34 | CatButts | Dillo: rudimentary, very fast |
| 10:32.46 | CatButts | I like Dillo for what it is |
| 10:32.56 | KotCzarny | main advantage of fennec is ability to render quite complicated pages |
| 10:33.43 | Maxdamantus | Opera seems like it's more memory-efficient than microB, though I haven't tested that properly. |
| 10:33.58 | CatButts | prone to locking up |
| 10:34.12 | CatButts | there's also a bunch of other webkit-based browsers, but I didn't stick for long after one of them hanged |
| 10:34.18 | inz | anything dillo doesnt render isnt worth virwing |
| 10:34.18 | Maxdamantus | Usually if I want to render something that doesn't work in Opera I'll use midori in my debian chroot. |
| 10:34.31 | CatButts | oh yeah |
| 10:34.37 | CatButts | Midori, that was the one |
| 10:34.49 | CatButts | not quite so fast :P |
| 10:35.28 | Maxdamantus | It at least has debug tools, which is somewhat usable on the N900, sometimes useful. |
| 10:35.47 | Maxdamantus | or developer tools*, usual name for it. |
| 10:36.27 | Maxdamantus | It seems reasonably fast, but it hits memory limits easily. |
| 10:37.58 | CatButts | oh, that explains the lovkup |
| 10:38.04 | CatButts | *the hang |
| 10:38.39 | CatButts | http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ I wonder how this would fair on the N900 |
| 10:38.50 | CatButts | it's C |
| 10:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | microb can select text |
| 10:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | gossip has it fennec always been slower than plain firefox |
| 10:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~shortcuts |
| 10:43.17 | infobot | methinks #maemo gestures is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures |
| 10:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures |
| 10:47.20 | Maxdamantus | Trying the old version of netsurf in the old version of debian, seems pretty smooth. |
| 10:52.25 | Maxdamantus | But the UI isn't very mobile-friendly. |
| 10:54.58 | Maxdamantus | I suspect a decent solution for me would be using conkeror, possibly with the new version of Firefox that is supposedly more memory-efficient and possibly CPU-efficient. |
| 10:56.42 | Maxdamantus | Though when I checked a week or two ago, Conkeror didn't work with it, since it's using a bunch of things that are no longer supported (but presumably people will be working on that) |
| 10:57.51 | Maxdamantus | I'd be pretty comfortable using Conkeror on mobile .. it's fairly keyboard-orientated, but I'd say it's in a good way. |
| 10:58.13 | CatButts | NetSurf is pretty much ahead of Dillo |
| 10:58.30 | CatButts | not sure how it compares performance-wise |
| 10:58.39 | CatButts | probably similar |
| 10:59.49 | Maxdamantus | I'd expect Dillo to be pretty much the same as Midori or Chrome, assuming they're all using the same version of WebKit/Blink |
| 11:00.13 | CatButts | Dillo does not use webkit |
| 11:00.23 | CatButts | own engine |
| 11:00.36 | CatButts | similarely with NetSurf |
| 11:01.16 | Maxdamantus | Hm, didn't realise that. |
| 11:01.35 | Maxdamantus | I think I was thinking of Epiphany. |
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| 15:41.34 | pkill9 | how do i update the certificate-authority certificates to the latest? I'm getting lots of SSL errors when using some commandline softwarez |
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| 15:44.47 | pkill9 | my clock and time is set correctly |
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| 16:27.43 | pkill9 | then again, MicroB verifies youtube correctly, so it seems to be restricted to python, specifically python3.4 |
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| 16:45.14 | pkill9 | hmm nvm, it's specifically in youtube-dl |
| 16:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon |
| 16:47.27 | pkill9 | does he maintain the python3.4 package or the certificates? |
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| 17:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | latter |
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| 17:49.10 | kalin | does anyone have problem with usb connector on N900? |
| 17:49.46 | kalin | i have to replace my connector because i can't recharge battery |
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| 17:50.53 | kalin | now i recharge battery with old 5800XM :D |
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| 17:58.47 | pkill9 | you may need to fix your USB port kalin, that's a common problem with the n900 apparently |
| 17:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 17:58.56 | infobot | i heard usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt, or to avoid breakage, see ~usb-unplug |
| 17:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kalin: ^^^ |
| 18:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, it's actually a common problem with a lot of handheld devices with micro-usb jacks |
| 18:01.02 | pkill9 | oh ok |
| 18:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems a few N900 had poor soldering, but... most USB issues are probably just to blame to rough treatment by users |
| 18:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-unplug |
| 18:02.21 | infobot | i guess usb-unplug is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4 |
| 18:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | my gf shown me "look, I need to place that Samsung note 2 to the edge of table, plug in the powerbank and hang it off the table on cable, to bend the USB so it starts charging" :-S |
| 18:05.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike more tech affine people, some users seem to feel absolutely no pain while bending the USB violently in whatever direction. They don't even think it could snap and break |
| 18:10.32 | CatButts | is php5 suppose to be in RootFS? |
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| 18:15.17 | CatButts | /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 |
| 18:15.33 | CatButts | /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 18:16.08 | CatButts | I don't think I intend hosting website from my phone anytime soon :P |
| 18:16.19 | CatButts | and if I do, it certainly won't be php |
| 18:16.42 | CatButts | 17mb each file |
| 18:21.02 | kalin | thanx guis |
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| 18:22.01 | kalin | i will try |
| 18:23.14 | kalin | i have a lot experiance with soldering |
| 18:24.52 | kalin | but first i have to find usb female connector and new speakers, because mine is damaged from beats audio driver mod |
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| 18:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | kalin: seems about right for those jnowles speackers, doublecheck the exact size though! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-pcs-Earpiece-Speaker-Receiver-For-Nokia-Lumia-822-520-E71-E66-N85-5800-5610-6500/32808465970.html?traffic_analysisId=recommend_3035_null_null_null&scm=1007.13338.80878.000000000000000&pvid=5dffa137-d68e-4891-a388-6d412979422f&tpp=1 |
| 18:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-pcs-Earpiece-Speaker-Receiver-For-Nokia-Lumia-822-520-E71-E66-N85-5800-5610-6500/32808465970.html |
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| 20:28.04 | CatButts | is it me, or are not all extras-devel packages available through HAM |
| 20:28.11 | CatButts | only web interface |
| 20:29.29 | pkill9 | i think for libraries and stuff you need to use apt-get |
| 20:37.27 | KotCzarny | only packages with user/* category show in ham |
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| 20:56.19 | Vajb | little update. I got the controller working with j2k and can pass letters to terminal, but can't figure out how to pass them to drnoksnes. No matter which of it's windows i choose, commands never get through. I was apple to feed them in while configuring keys, but not while game is running. So i guess drnoksnes takes keypresses in some other way |
| 20:56.43 | KotCzarny | probably wrong window |
| 20:56.54 | KotCzarny | could be solved if -X switch was working |
| 20:57.17 | Vajb | it can't be wrong window |
| 20:57.42 | KotCzarny | there is a chance game looks for scancodes on a lower level than x |
| 20:57.46 | Vajb | it has three windows open while game runs and no matter which i choose they don't work |
| 20:58.08 | Vajb | yes that is what i suspect too |
| 20:59.09 | Vajb | also i noticed that if i start drnoksnes from xterm it doesn't support keyboard at all |
| 21:00.03 | Vajb | anyway, time for me to sleep |
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