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| 07:47.29 | ilew | Wizzup: If you can't install the latest curl first via apt then install curl libcurl3 via dpkg using the debs from http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/c/curl/ |
| 07:50.25 | Wizzup | isn't the problem that the new libcurl was not build for thumb as well? |
| 07:51.31 | bencoh | shouldn't you have both repositories in place with some pinning/preference configuration when using thumb? |
| 07:51.41 | bencoh | (both -testing and -thumb) |
| 07:51.52 | Wizzup | I never did that before |
| 07:52.01 | Wizzup | So that'd be a new thing |
| 07:52.06 | bencoh | I use neither of them, so I'm basically asking |
| 07:52.13 | ilew | Aren't higher versions in test installed over thumb packages? |
| 07:52.40 | Wizzup | ilew: I think that's the problem here. I haven't seen what the new version of curl is, but I wrote the exact dep error in here |
| 07:52.49 | Wizzup | 11:59 < Wizzup> Unable to update 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package'. Conflict with application packages: curl (7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb1) |
| 07:54.06 | ilew | Wizzup: I think you'll get the same error if you have the non-thumb curl installed before the update. |
| 07:54.49 | Wizzup | Weird |
| 07:54.56 | ilew | Wizzup: Because curl has a dependency on libcurl3 and mp-freemantle-community-pr has a dependency on libcurl3 but not curl. |
| 07:55.09 | Wizzup | mm, so I can remove curl perhaps. |
| 07:55.33 | ilew | But it might try to remove libcurl3 with it? |
| 08:02.20 | Wizzup | Perhaps, yeah. |
| 08:07.01 | ilew | Wizzup: I'll reflash my n900 and try to get the same conflict. |
| 08:14.30 | Wizzup | let me know if you need more info from me |
| 08:14.44 | Wizzup | I'll mention the repos I have activated in a bit, have to do something first |
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| 08:37.03 | Vajb | Wizzup: i have same error, but without thumb part |
| 08:37.26 | Vajb | and obviously i don't have thumb installed |
| 08:37.45 | ilew | Vajb: Can you update curl before you install CSSU? |
| 08:37.50 | Vajb | i was planning to try and update curl via apt during weekend |
| 08:38.27 | Vajb | didn't try yet, but apt shows there is newer version of curl to be installed |
| 08:38.56 | Vajb | think i'll install backupmenu first still :) |
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| 08:56.24 | ilew | Wizzup: My dev phone can't seem to find my wifi network here. I'll have to test it on the weekend sorry. |
| 09:00.29 | Wizzup | okay, sure :) |
| 09:07.26 | ilew | Wizzup: Actually try running 'dpkg -r --force-depends curl' |
| 09:09.08 | ilew | That will remove curl but keep libcurl3 installed still. |
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| 12:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | to all Mac users: check your security updates! |
| 12:10.48 | CatButts | mac hack |
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| 12:29.13 | sixwheeledbeast | oops, login as root with no password, affects High Sierra. |
| 12:32.13 | sixwheeledbeast | It's considerably less machines affected than Intel's latest vulnerability tho. |
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| 18:47.38 | pkill9 | would this be a good thing to have in the n900 to reduce chance of usb breaking? https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Lightning-Magnetic-charging-transfer/dp/B074SK7SLG?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B074SK7SLG |
| 18:47.44 | pkill9 | sorry for large link |
| 18:48.26 | pkill9 | smaller link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Lightning-Magnetic-charging-transfer/dp/B074SK7SLG |
| 18:48.36 | CatButts | hmmmmmm |
| 18:48.42 | CatButts | I'd say yes |
| 18:49.03 | pkill9 | think i might get some |
| 18:49.14 | CatButts | I already did the thing involving lotsa solder, though :P |
| 18:49.19 | pkill9 | ah hehe |
| 18:50.11 | pkill9 | i don't wanna risk soldering, i think i need a soldering iron witha finer point anyway if i was to fix the usb port ont he n900 |
| 18:50.21 | KotCzarny | pkill9: just plug/unplug the usb proper and you will never have usb port problem |
| 18:50.33 | CatButts | I used my clunky 100W one |
| 18:50.47 | KotCzarny | proper being 'no wiggling, no bending' |
| 18:50.48 | CatButts | you need to get camera flex cable out of the way |
| 18:50.53 | pkill9 | yeah, i do make sure to be careful when unplugging |
| 18:50.57 | pkill9 | and plugging |
| 18:51.38 | pkill9 | i just wanna reduce risk as much as possible, n900s are becoming rarer i think :P |
| 18:51.59 | KotCzarny | get few spares, they are cheap, problem solved :P |
| 18:52.06 | pkill9 | true :p |
| 18:54.17 | CatButts | what's a convenient way to list applications installed through maemo's HAM to console? |
| 18:54.40 | CatButts | without whatever dependencies they have |
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| 19:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: for usbfix you need a decent beefy iron |
| 19:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo usb |
| 19:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo usb* |
| 19:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the F... |
| 19:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys usb |
| 19:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-unplug |
| 19:15.26 | infobot | usb-unplug is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4 |
| 19:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal usb-unplug |
| 19:15.44 | infobot | "usb-unplug" is "http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140721_002.mp4" |
| 19:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<CatButts> what's a convenient way to list applications)) do a maemo-backup, then inspect the tarball backup file, it has a list of apps to re-install on restore |
| 19:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | not as straight as "list to console" but works |
| 19:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | mc helps a lot |
| 19:19.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | mc can browse into tarballs |
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| 19:55.11 | Vajb | hey. I got my bluetooth gamepad connected and buttonpresses are registered when i do "cat /dev/input/js0" but drnoksnes is still not seeing it. So obviously i need to tweak some more |
| 19:55.36 | Vajb | do i need to link that said js0 to some event or what should i do? |
| 19:55.56 | KotCzarny | more likely you need to tell the app where your joy is |
| 19:56.06 | Vajb | can i link it to event1 which is already linked to keyboard? |
| 19:56.24 | Vajb | i guess not, but worth to ask |
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| 19:57.22 | Vajb | KotCzarny: i believe that is the case, but it seems kinda tricky to find correct place to search for |
| 19:57.26 | KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-43050.html |
| 19:57.37 | KotCzarny | yeah, seems it needs some configuration |
| 19:58.11 | KotCzarny | this example probably maps js to kb input |
| 20:00.33 | Vajb | hmm is it safe to link two devices to same event? |
| 20:00.42 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 20:00.59 | KotCzarny | as long you dont sit on the controller and press the buttons uncontrollably |
| 20:01.30 | KotCzarny | on pc the usual way to map js for games was joy2key app |
| 20:03.21 | Vajb | ln whines that event exists already |
| 20:05.24 | Vajb | ln -s js0 event4 |
| 20:05.25 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 20:05.33 | KotCzarny | no, not that event |
| 20:05.38 | Vajb | err 1 |
| 20:05.55 | Vajb | it claims ln: file exists |
| 20:06.01 | KotCzarny | i mean, i thought you have used to map js0 to kb events |
| 20:06.32 | Vajb | nope |
| 20:07.03 | KotCzarny | does drsnoksnes support js0 interface? |
| 20:07.20 | Vajb | i don't know |
| 20:07.33 | KotCzarny | try running it with -h or --help param |
| 20:07.44 | KotCzarny | or checking manual page |
| 20:07.49 | Vajb | there is only keyboard option |
| 20:08.21 | KotCzarny | then there is high chance you need app to map js0 into kb events |
| 20:09.18 | KotCzarny | usually using some app |
| 20:09.28 | KotCzarny | check if joy2key is available in repos |
| 20:10.11 | KotCzarny | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74303 |
| 20:10.39 | Vajb | doesn't seem to be in repos |
| 20:14.07 | KotCzarny | lets see if it builds in sb |
| 20:14.29 | KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23380 Nov 30 20:14 joy2key_1.6.3-1_armel.deb |
| 20:14.32 | KotCzarny | want it? |
| 20:14.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:18.35 | KotCzarny | https://31.135.195.151:20281/n900/joy2key_1.6.3-1_armel.deb |
| 20:18.42 | KotCzarny | compiled in sb without any changes |
| 20:19.05 | KotCzarny | so you can build yourself using files from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/joy2key or grab my deb |
| 20:19.50 | KotCzarny | i didnt remove docs because they are tiny and useful |
| 20:21.05 | Vajb | oh, and it should just work out of the box then? :) |
| 20:21.27 | KotCzarny | well, it would still require you to configure it to map presses to kb codes |
| 20:21.36 | KotCzarny | but yeah, most likely |
| 20:21.57 | KotCzarny | otoh might be useful to remotely control your n900 with gamepad ;) |
| 20:22.50 | KotCzarny | one part where it could fail would be multi key presses, but up for you to test |
| 20:23.14 | Vajb | hey maybe something that would work with oscp as well :) |
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| 20:23.35 | KotCzarny | oscp has plethora of methods to control it |
| 20:24.24 | KotCzarny | one could easily write remote app that would read js0/kb and send commands to oscp |
| 20:30.35 | Vajb | hehe ham says it is incompatible |
| 20:30.54 | KotCzarny | huh? built in sdk o.o |
| 20:31.01 | KotCzarny | where's my n900.. |
| 20:31.14 | CatButts | tries it on his phone that he's about to flash, anyway |
| 20:32.48 | KotCzarny | worked fine with dpkg -i |
| 20:33.37 | CatButts | gui installer doesn't like it |
| 20:33.44 | CatButts | *ham |
| 20:33.55 | KotCzarny | probably missing some maemo specific deb fields |
| 20:34.06 | KotCzarny | and/or using wrong pkg category |
| 20:34.24 | Vajb | i see |
| 20:34.54 | Vajb | hmm also noticed that event4 got created at the same time js0 connects |
| 20:35.46 | Wizzup | this should work with python2.5 if you use the compat mode - https://github.com/MerlijnWajer/uinput-mapper |
| 20:35.54 | Wizzup | I had it packaged for maemo at some point, but I don't know where. |
| 20:36.03 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.11 | KotCzarny | might be the reason ham dislikes it |
| 20:36.42 | KotCzarny | anyway, since it doesnt requires anything special you might just go with dpkg -i |
| 20:36.46 | KotCzarny | in this case |
| 20:37.00 | KotCzarny | or even unpack the binary and copy to /usr/local/bin or something |
| 20:50.43 | CatButts | lazilly screencaps all pages of HAM installed-app catalog |
| 21:08.36 | CatButts | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348544204072288257/385899863998464000/Screenshot-20171130-210149.png |
| 21:08.39 | CatButts | hmmmm |
| 21:08.42 | CatButts | peculiar |
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| 21:15.33 | CatButts | does this have anything to do with recent update, or did I botch something up? |
| 21:15.49 | KotCzarny | you did botch something |
| 21:16.35 | CatButts | I reflashed combined |
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| 21:16.43 | CatButts | added muarf_all |
| 21:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | VSSU isn't included in any of the standrad repos, since it's a repo of its own |
| 21:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU even |
| 21:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | VSSU enabler istalls the CSSU repo |
| 21:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, CSSU |
| 21:18.10 | CatButts | the .install file comes with this new repo |
| 21:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you install CSSU-enabler by one-click on ~CSSU |
| 21:18.33 | CatButts | I did, from maemo wiki |
| 21:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not, after full flash |
| 21:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-11-30 Thu 22:16:34] <CatButts> I reflashed combined |
| 21:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-11-30 Thu 22:16:43] <CatButts> added muarf_all |
| 21:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | now fo and install CSSU |
| 21:19.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | go* |
| 21:21.02 | CatButts | I am not sure where you are taking me |
| 21:21.17 | CatButts | do I need to reflash emmc as well? |
| 21:21.51 | CatButts | are you saying I reflashed combined AFTER trying to install CSSU? |
| 21:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you flashed rootfs and this nuked sources.list(.d/*) |
| 21:22.06 | CatButts | yes |
| 21:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | so for whatever reason you want to upgrade cssu-enabler, it's not found since the CSSU repo is not in spources.list |
| 21:22.44 | CatButts | then I added muarf all, then tried one-click install file |
| 21:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or did you try to one-click install CSSU when that error popped up? |
| 21:24.06 | CatButts | ^yes |
| 21:24.36 | CatButts | using testing variant |
| 21:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, I also noticed something very strange: some "os-upgrade" package |
| 21:24.52 | CatButts | didn't try release |
| 21:24.55 | CatButts | *stable |
| 21:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | did somebody rename some package on CSSU-T? |
| 21:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | did anybody *test* the new CSSU-T release? |
| 21:26.10 | CatButts | I did! |
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| 21:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Operating System" WTF? |
| 21:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I can install this thing until I get blue in the face, it stays in "updates" - size 0kB |
| 21:30.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Program: Operating System (magic:sys) Updates to all system packages |
| 21:33.00 | CatButts | I guess I'll wait, then |
| 21:33.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Community SSU (testing) enabler This will install Maemo 5 Community SSu (testing) update" |
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| 21:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | "community-ssu-enabler Scripts, GPG keys and Zone files for Community SSU catalogs" |
| 21:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIC |
| 21:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter without icon |
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| 21:35.45 | CatButts | I broke Maemo :P |
| 21:36.34 | pkill9 | is it possible to connect an external monitor via usb to the n900 and output at higher resolutions? |
| 21:36.43 | Wizzup | https://jmcomms.com/2017/11/29/gemini-pda-20-years-on-meet-the-all-new-psion-series-5/ |
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| 21:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC http://paste.opensuse.org/31097148 |
| 21:38.31 | KotCzarny | pkill9: forget about it, single core at 500mhz is already severely limited |
| 21:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ükin theory yes, there are USB attached "graphics cards" |
| 21:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: ^^^ |
| 21:38.56 | KotCzarny | not to mention memory limited |
| 21:40.58 | pkill9 | yeah, i guess a separate device like a raspberry pi would be better |
| 21:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm I guess "Operating System" only shows with special redpill settings in HAM |
| 21:41.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's this DisplayPort or whatever it's called |
| 21:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* work for text and graphics but for sure will suck badly on refresh rate for video |
| 21:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you'd need a maemo compiled driver for it |
| 21:42.54 | KotCzarny | pkill9: forget about rpi, go orange pi! |
| 21:42.55 | KotCzarny | : |
| 21:42.57 | KotCzarny | ) |
| 21:43.31 | CatButts | I've yet to get off me bum and solder the 3.5 to composite cable |
| 21:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're probably better off with mere remote-X11 though |
| 21:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | via TCP |
| 21:44.05 | pkill9 | KotCzarny: looks interesting |
| 21:44.23 | KotCzarny | https://linux-sunxi.org/Table_of_Allwinner_based_boards |
| 21:44.29 | KotCzarny | here, for comparison |
| 21:44.37 | KotCzarny | oranges at the bottom |
| 21:45.02 | KotCzarny | one nice thing is mainline kernel support for a20, h3, h5 etc |
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| 21:46.01 | pkill9 | seriously tho, $25?? that's so cheap for everything it has |
| 21:46.12 | KotCzarny | consider boards with emmc |
| 21:46.19 | KotCzarny | 30-50MB/s isnt bad |
| 21:46.38 | KotCzarny | much better than sd (which is limited to 22MB/s max) |
| 21:46.59 | KotCzarny | best deal is orange pi pc +2e |
| 21:47.05 | KotCzarny | 16gb emmc, 2gb ram |
| 21:47.07 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 21:47.25 | KotCzarny | still, they are quite weak for the desktop usage |
| 21:47.50 | KotCzarny | good for android toys, movie players, linux home servers etc |
| 21:47.56 | pkill9 | yeah |
| 21:48.04 | pkill9 | that's what i was thinking of it for |
| 21:48.09 | KotCzarny | you can also get cheap A33 based tablet for ~30-40usd |
| 21:48.25 | pkill9 | A33 is CPU? |
| 21:48.28 | TheKit | <Wizzup> https://jmcomms.com/2017/11/29/gemini-pda-20-years-on-meet-the-all-new-psion-series-5/ |
| 21:48.37 | KotCzarny | not cpu, soc |
| 21:48.43 | KotCzarny | cpu is either a7 or a53 |
| 21:48.47 | pkill9 | what's soc? |
| 21:48.55 | TheKit | wonder how Maemo will look on that |
| 21:48.56 | KotCzarny | system-on-chip |
| 21:48.59 | pkill9 | ah |
| 21:49.03 | KotCzarny | ie. complete computer in one chip |
| 21:55.23 | Vajb | ok i can't seem to make it fly tonight |
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| 21:55.59 | KotCzarny | vajb: make it work in xterm first |
| 21:56.14 | KotCzarny | ie. map the js buttons to some keys a b c d etc |
| 21:56.39 | Vajb | it works there, but now it whines it doesn't have window to send commands to |
| 21:57.08 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 21:57.19 | KotCzarny | try -x11 switch? |
| 21:57.23 | Vajb | i guess -X is not valid argument in maemo or i need something else |
| 21:57.27 | KotCzarny | erm -X |
| 21:57.38 | Wizzup | TheKit: me too :p |
| 21:57.46 | Wizzup | TheKit: the res is very high |
| 21:58.49 | KotCzarny | vajb: maybe you can try rootwin as window name |
| 21:59.15 | KotCzarny | or "" |
| 21:59.27 | TheKit | GTK+3 supports HiDPI, but currently only integer-scaling |
| 22:00.13 | TheKit | with 2x it will be 1080x540 |
| 22:00.42 | Vajb | ok will do tomorrow or somewhere around the weekend. Now i better sleep |
| 22:00.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:02.44 | Wizzup | TheKit: ack |
| 22:02.57 | Wizzup | TheKit: don't think I'll get the device any time soon, but we can just as well test on hdmi on the droid4 |
| 22:03.02 | Wizzup | zzz :) |
| 22:03.14 | Wizzup | or just on intel I guess. |
| 22:03.22 | TheKit | not sure what to do about 3D accel about Droid 4 |
| 22:04.22 | TheKit | getting PowerVR is a pain, I can have some kind of accel with libhybris, but that requires ancient kernel and Android OpenGL ES 2 driver on Droid 4 is pretty nasty compared to newer devices... |
| 22:04.40 | Wizzup | *nod* |
| 22:27.38 | CatButts | I suppose one disadvantage of magnetic usb connectors is attracting dirt that contains iron :P |
| 22:28.50 | CatButts | but that depends on the environments you take your phone in |
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| 22:58.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | U recall a few reports that attested crappy quality of all those magnetic USB thingies |
| 22:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I* |
| 23:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway if you get one, please report |
| 23:12.37 | vectis3 | I have been using a magnetic usb charger cable for about 6 months now. Not had any issues so far. |
| 23:14.59 | vectis3 | On my N900, that is. |
| 23:16.59 | pkill9 | vectis3: does it charge from the mains properly? and does it properly transfer data to/from PC, etc properly? |
| 23:18.59 | CatButts | how about flashing phone |
| 23:19.48 | vectis3 | I've had no problems charging from the mains. I have used it to load rescueOS. |
| 23:25.36 | vectis3 | I loaded rescueOS onto it from my laptop, but that is the only attempt at transfering data with it. |
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