IRC log for #maemo on 20171128

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08:16.44ilewWizzup: curl isn't a dependency for mp-fremantle-community-pr only libcurl3. If you upgrade curl first you should then be able to install the new CSSU Testing.
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09:43.32Wizzupilew: But it blocks it. And there is no update for it.
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11:43.17WikiwideVery tired. Very tired. Headaches every evening for at least last week, if not more.
11:44.10KotCzarnypregnant
11:44.11KotCzarny:>
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11:44.47WikiwideLawl. I am not Anakin's mom to do the impossible.
11:45.42WikiwideAnyway, it is more likely to have something with deficiency of iron or Vitamin D, or lack of sleep, or eyesight problem, or exposure to WiFi.
11:46.36pkill9does anyone use the webbrowser on n900?
11:46.47pkill9for any bigger websites
11:46.51KotCzarnycaffeine dependency?
11:46.54WikiwideWhy did the latest cssu update require installation of meegographicssomething?
11:47.01KotCzarnypkill9: nope, ram problem
11:47.09pkill9yeah it's slow
11:47.09WikiwideI do my Internet Banking in MicroB.
11:47.33pkill9microb is the browser that comes with maemo right?
11:48.04pkill9i need to upgrade to CSSU
11:48.11WikiwideDo not drink coffee. Do not drink cocoa, generally. Even tea is rare - I am more likely to drink chamomile tea or ginger tea.
11:48.27pkill9what's the improvements from non-CSSU maemo?
11:48.50pkill9as far as i can tell it's mostly just more customizable Hildon
11:48.52WikiwideMicroB is the default browser on maemo, yes. Like Firefox 3.6, engine-wise...
11:49.08WikiwideSome bugs and memory leaks fixed, in cssu.
11:49.24WikiwideSome features added, too.
11:49.43WikiwideSome blobs reverse-engineered, I think.
11:49.55Wikiwide~cssu
11:49.55infoboti heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
11:50.37pkill9is the latest git available for maemo?
11:50.53pkill9~repository
11:50.53infobotrumour has it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos
11:51.06KotCzarnypkill9: it's not only customizations, it's fixing plenty of bugs in packages
11:51.12KotCzarnyso definitely recommended over stock
11:51.19pkill9ok, i should upgrade then
11:51.27KotCzarnyand if you are adventurious you can even try cssu-thumb
11:51.35KotCzarnywhich should save a megabyte or two
11:51.41pkill9could i upgrade from cssu to cssu-thumb?
11:51.45WikiwideAs in, is maemo code on github? I think so. At least, for open-source packages, including reverse engineered ones.
11:51.50KotCzarnyyes
11:52.10KotCzarnyWikiwide: yeah
11:52.14pkill9Wikiwide: i mean, is the git program up to date?
11:52.30pkill9or does it depend on newer kernel
11:53.01WikiwideDoes git run on Maemo 5?
11:54.29WikiwideYes, there is git 1.7.9.5-1-maemo2 in repositories.
11:54.32Wizzupquite a bit of the maemo code is on gh
12:07.58pkill9is this package database up to date?
12:08.00pkill9http://maemo.org/packages/
12:08.11pkill9i can't find mosh :(
12:08.22WikiwideYes, it is up-to-date
12:08.45WikiwideNot sure if it covers all repositories
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12:10.04WikiwideI think it covers maemo.org repositories, but not others?
12:10.25rhombusHey there
12:10.29WikiwideNo idea. Apt-cache search mosh gives no results in my terminal.
12:10.36WikiwideHi :-)
12:10.58rhombusNice to see some activity on the channel :)
12:11.40WikiwideThank pkill9 :-)
12:11.57Wikiwide/me is just idling most of the time
12:12.40rhombus:)
12:13.17rhombusI've been using my N900 with the CSSU(?) for about a month now. I'm pleasantly surprised so far.
12:14.26rhombusOne thing that is on my mind, though, is call encryption. I suspect third-party shenanigans...
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12:15.16rhombusMy calls are often bumped to "2G" or "2.5 G" (whatever that means)
12:16.07rhombusand this is even though there is no discernable reason why. Clear line of sight to the nearest cell tower, and the switch always seems to happen when the call is initiated. Before, I'll see "3G" in the status bar.
12:16.16WikiwideFeel free to choose "2G only", "3G only" or "Dual" in Settings > Phone.
12:16.34rhombusWikiwide: ah, ok :)
12:16.38Wikiwide3G should be more encrypted than 2G.
12:17.26Wikiwide2G tower can insist that it doesn't support encryption, and modem generally trusts cellular tower.
12:17.27rhombusWikiwide: yeah, I know that's a popular trick, to middle-man the call and force the phone to 2G
12:17.28inzrhombus, 2.5G is probably EDGE
12:17.44rhombusinz: ok
12:18.07inzStill 2G, but with 384 kbit/s!
12:18.27rhombusinz: whoooooOOOoooooooooooooooooosh!
12:18.50KotCzarny640kb/s should be enough for everyone!
12:18.54rhombuslol
12:19.16inzI remember starting out with 2400 bps modem; did not do any file transfers though
12:19.28rhombusIs there a Maemo app that can help sniff out IMSI catchers? I live in a *cough* major European capital
12:19.38rhombusinz: My first modem was 300 bps
12:19.52rhombusI remember being SO excited when I got it
12:20.00inzI whistle faster than 300 baud ;)
12:20.09rhombusAnd I also did file transfers with it
12:20.46rhombusand then I upgraded to 1200 (oh the excitement) and later, using an adapter cable, switched to a 2400 bps modem (more excitement)
12:21.15rhombuswhen I tried my first 14.4 kbps modem I nearly died from the thrill
12:21.15WikiwideLawl... Count Rhombus, I don't know of a specific app. I use Cellular Tower, it shows which tower is in use. But there is ... Restinpeace ... app?
12:21.34lawlno.
12:22.49rhombuslawl: no? What are you no-ing about?
12:23.15lawlhighlighting me for no reason
12:24.03WikiwideSorry. I didn't know there was a person with this name...
12:26.00pkill9has anyone successfully tried running discord on n900 with maemo?
12:26.07rhombusIt's like having the name "Not Sure": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1P7GMnd38
12:26.30pkill9then again i guess someone needs to make a discord app for maemo first
12:26.33WikiwideSure, Nott.
12:26.50WikiwideDiscord plugin for telepathy?
12:27.12WikiwideAnyway, there are discord-irc gateways in existence.
12:27.21pkill9yeah
12:27.52bencohisn't discord used for audio as well?
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12:28.12pkill9yeah it is
12:29.33pkill9if the discord plugin for telepathy supports audio then i assume that could be used
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12:30.57bencohthere is a libpurple plugin
12:33.33bencohI dont think it implements audio functionalities though
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13:18.26pkill9~cssu
13:18.26infobotcssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
13:19.31pkill9can i upgrade from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing?
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14:08.35pkill9woo i have CSSU installed
14:58.13enycmeows
15:15.59CatButtsfarts
15:17.41CatButts[14:26] <pkill9> then again i guess someone needs to make a discord app for maemo first
15:17.44CatButtswell
15:17.55CatButtsthere's an outdated pidgin package for maemo
15:18.13CatButtsand for pidgin, there is a Discord plugin
15:24.23CatButtsI've yet to try this solution out
15:24.41CatButtsif pidgin port is anything like KeePassX, I can do without
15:27.29CatButtshttp://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/screenshot01.png I should look into getting applications to use default GTK/whatever theme
15:27.47CatButtswithout sudo intervention
15:27.53CatButtsthat is
15:27.58CatButtssudo keepassx
15:27.59CatButts:P
15:29.29CatButtsI don't give a rat's ass about native Look'n'Feel when it impedes usability
15:35.34CatButts[15:19] <pkill9> can i upgrade from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing?
15:35.51CatButtsI think that goes hand-in-hand with the "Can I uninstall CSSU"
15:37.46KotCzarnyno, it doesnt
15:37.57CatButtsoh, you can switch safely?
15:38.08KotCzarnynot supported, but should work
15:38.39KotCzarnysince it changes pkg names/versions and repos, it should suck packages just fine
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15:59.41pkill9i'll probably stick with cssu-stable, but was just wondering
16:02.39bencohwait, why would you sudo keepassx?
16:02.57CatButtsI dunno
16:03.03CatButtslet's see
16:03.23CatButtsah, here's how it went
16:03.31siceloupdate cssu-S -> cssu-T *is* supported, pkill9. it's the other way round that's not supported
16:03.34CatButtsI needed to edit system file
16:03.39CatButtssudo leafpad
16:03.46pkill9ah ok
16:03.47CatButtsdifferent theme, crashy app
16:03.59KotCzarnyCatButts: you can override gtk theme with .gtkrc in your home dir. even PER APP
16:04.11KotCzarnyyou dont need to edit system files
16:04.24CatButtsI needed to edit "some system files"
16:04.42KotCzarnybut im referring to you sudoing keepassx
16:04.52KotCzarnyfor different display
16:06.54CatButtshmmmm
16:07.47CatButtshow far does Maemo's theme engine go?
16:08.14CatButtssay, if I tried to make a theme that forces no theme except default, globally
16:08.22CatButtsthat is, a theme about nothing
16:08.35pkill9are newer versions of pidgin incompatible with maemo or has the maemo package just not been updated?
16:08.54KotCzarnypkill9: too old glibc/gtk on maemo
16:09.06pkill9aww that sucks
16:09.11KotCzarnyCatButts: you have to write proper overrides probably
16:10.55pkill9are newer versions of the backend that pidgin relies on (libpurple?) also incompatible? or is it just pidgin that uses too new of glibc?
16:11.20KotCzarnydont know, just gathering my memories of this channel past talks
16:19.14CatButtsI keep postponing getting off me lazy bum and learning to operate Maemo SDK
16:19.42KotCzarnyis there anything special to 'operate' it?
16:20.54CatButtsknowing where to start after fresh deployment of vmx image
16:21.08CatButtsfor a diehard windows user, that is something :P
16:41.52pkill9oo zenity on maemo is nice :)
16:42.05pkill9completely integrated with the touch UI
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16:42.31CatButts~zenity
16:43.27CatButtsoh, make dialogs from bash scripts
16:43.42CatButts*call dialogs
16:46.24pkill9this will be nice for simple API queries
16:49.41pkill9s/API/REST
16:51.29CatButtsI am a cat person.
16:51.33CatButtss/cat/dog
16:51.54CatButtsit's dead
16:51.57CatButtsthank you
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18:44.33pkill9how stable is python 3 for maemo? since it's still in extras-devel
18:45.04CatButtsthere is a python 3?
18:45.16pkill9yup
18:45.21pkill9has beenf or a while
18:45.22CatButtsI wasn't aware of python above 2.5
18:45.36pkill9really?
18:45.48CatButtspushes his rock aside
18:45.53pkill9xD
18:46.33CatButtsI wouldn't mind a final python 2.7
18:46.52CatButtspython is my go-to scripting language
18:47.57CatButtswhich 3.x version is pyth... I'll check
18:49.33CatButts3.4
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