IRC log for #maemo on 20171122

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00:27.26Oksanaaoften uses WLAN, has a SIM card, has to use 3G (2G disappeared in Australia), and said 3G often lacks signal (because Telstra network uses 3G 850MHz band for much of coverage) which might increase drain when phone tries to find non-existent tower
00:34.02OksanaaThat said, I currently have an uptime of 1 day 3 hours 35 minutes, and battery indicator isn't red yet. Despite using Bluetooth, filming a video, watching the video, and Bluetoothing this video over to a computer.
00:58.51OksanaaI wish I could tell cellular modem to shut down when I am in range of certain WiFi networks (and for phone to auto-connect to said WiFi networks, so that SIP would work instead of cellular)
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02:12.08DocScrutinizer05I think my N900 does exactly that, OOTB
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11:44.32CatButtsSoftFP ABI vs HardFP ABI
11:44.49CatButtswhich one runs on N900?
11:45.00CatButtsand if both, which one is preferable?
11:45.18CatButtsregarding precompiled packages that come in multiple flavours
11:52.26CatButtspackages meant to run on maemo
11:53.16Hurrian_fremantle is armel, all system libs are softfp
11:54.20CatButtsso I shouldn't touch hardfp debs, yes?
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11:59.55CatButtshttps://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/1140 there we go
12:00.04CatButtsthe answer is no
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12:17.28Maxdamantusand also, standard Debian "armhf" won't work on N900 because of the CPU bugs.
12:17.56MaxdamantusSince debian armhf assumes thumb2.
12:18.16Maxdamantus(won't work reliably, at least)
12:21.03CatButtsyou mean the two erratas in the wiki that require specially patched kernel?
12:22.02CatButtsas context https://wiki.maemo.org/Java#Sun_Java_SE_for_embedded this is what I'm trying
12:22.31CatButtswith java 7
12:22.58bencohMaxdamantus: there are software workarounds to the thumb2 issues ... aren't they merged?
12:24.27bencoh(merged in kernel and toolchain)
12:25.54bencohafaict the "thumb" toolchain is a linaro one
12:26.32bencohand the first errata fix is present in mainline/vanilla
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12:46.30CatButtsOh hey, I got java running, that's kinda sad
12:46.45CatButts:p
12:47.24CatButtsOpenJDK is sucky
12:47.51CatButtsofficial embedded superior
13:10.57CatButtshttps://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg13950.html how would I go about using wmctrl on an application that has yet to launch?
13:11.03CatButtsfrom CLI
13:14.16CatButtsas opposed to dedicating a shortcut key
13:14.38CatButtsaka command wrapper
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13:38.34DocScrutinizer05maemo uses softfp: Hardware floating point using the soft floating point ABI.  passing floats through integer registers to a lib that moves them to the FP registers, and provides results back to caller via interger registers (or stack?). The speed penalty isn't as large as you might think since both use hardware coproc for the heacy lifting (if available, in case of softfp)
13:40.04DocScrutinizer05Thumb is pretty much orthogonal to this
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16:11.10CatButtshmmmm
16:12.01CatButtsis it possible to detect from CLI if a proccess has a window, on Maemo?
16:12.43CatButtsI'd have to get the PID on launch, somehow
16:14.27CatButtsand when the timing is right, I force proccess fullscreen with wmctrl
16:15.00CatButtsor maybe xdotool
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18:27.27DocScrutinizer05I think that's not really how hildon works
18:27.53DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure if matchbox supports it
18:28.34DocScrutinizer05if I'm not mistaken and matchbox is _not_ our xserver (except maybe in early boot, or at all)
18:29.08DocScrutinizer05~ükf
18:29.12DocScrutinizer05~pkg
18:29.13infobothmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
18:29.50DocScrutinizer05ummm  http://maemo.org/packages/view/xserver-xomap/
18:31.20DocScrutinizer05anyway http://maemo.org/packages/view/xdotool/
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18:41.33DocScrutinizer05man xdotool is awesome
18:41.45DocScrutinizer05swiss army knife
18:42.07DocScrutinizer05one thing it lacks: record macros
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18:54.53Maxdamantus01:22:58 < bencoh> Maxdamantus: there are software workarounds to the thumb2 issues ... aren't they merged?
18:55.20Maxdamantusbencoh: aiui, there are two issues .. one is worked around in a kernel, the other is worked around in userspace.
18:55.53Maxdamantusbencoh: so even if you're using a kernel with the workaround, the Debian armhf userspace is still subject to the other issue.
18:57.07Maxdamantusas DocScrutinizer05 alluded to, the issue isn't "hardfp" itself. The issue is just that Debian's "hardfp" distribution makes use of thumb2 as if it works correctly.
18:57.16Maxdamantuser, Debian's "armhf" distribution*
19:09.18MaxdamantusOh, maybe it's enabled by default already: https://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html
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19:30.27CatButtshttps://github.com/jordansissel/xdotool/issues/14
19:30.52CatButtsfun
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20:23.58CatButtshttps://pastebin.com/LtXpCQQ5 I tried
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20:48.33CatButtsI think at this stage, I should look into how Easy Debian does it
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