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00:27.26 | Oksanaa | often uses WLAN, has a SIM card, has to use 3G (2G disappeared in Australia), and said 3G often lacks signal (because Telstra network uses 3G 850MHz band for much of coverage) which might increase drain when phone tries to find non-existent tower |
00:34.02 | Oksanaa | That said, I currently have an uptime of 1 day 3 hours 35 minutes, and battery indicator isn't red yet. Despite using Bluetooth, filming a video, watching the video, and Bluetoothing this video over to a computer. |
00:58.51 | Oksanaa | I wish I could tell cellular modem to shut down when I am in range of certain WiFi networks (and for phone to auto-connect to said WiFi networks, so that SIP would work instead of cellular) |
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02:12.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think my N900 does exactly that, OOTB |
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11:44.32 | CatButts | SoftFP ABI vs HardFP ABI |
11:44.49 | CatButts | which one runs on N900? |
11:45.00 | CatButts | and if both, which one is preferable? |
11:45.18 | CatButts | regarding precompiled packages that come in multiple flavours |
11:52.26 | CatButts | packages meant to run on maemo |
11:53.16 | Hurrian_ | fremantle is armel, all system libs are softfp |
11:54.20 | CatButts | so I shouldn't touch hardfp debs, yes? |
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11:59.55 | CatButts | https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/1140 there we go |
12:00.04 | CatButts | the answer is no |
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12:17.28 | Maxdamantus | and also, standard Debian "armhf" won't work on N900 because of the CPU bugs. |
12:17.56 | Maxdamantus | Since debian armhf assumes thumb2. |
12:18.16 | Maxdamantus | (won't work reliably, at least) |
12:21.03 | CatButts | you mean the two erratas in the wiki that require specially patched kernel? |
12:22.02 | CatButts | as context https://wiki.maemo.org/Java#Sun_Java_SE_for_embedded this is what I'm trying |
12:22.31 | CatButts | with java 7 |
12:22.58 | bencoh | Maxdamantus: there are software workarounds to the thumb2 issues ... aren't they merged? |
12:24.27 | bencoh | (merged in kernel and toolchain) |
12:25.54 | bencoh | afaict the "thumb" toolchain is a linaro one |
12:26.32 | bencoh | and the first errata fix is present in mainline/vanilla |
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12:46.30 | CatButts | Oh hey, I got java running, that's kinda sad |
12:46.45 | CatButts | :p |
12:47.24 | CatButts | OpenJDK is sucky |
12:47.51 | CatButts | official embedded superior |
13:10.57 | CatButts | https://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-users@maemo.org/msg13950.html how would I go about using wmctrl on an application that has yet to launch? |
13:11.03 | CatButts | from CLI |
13:14.16 | CatButts | as opposed to dedicating a shortcut key |
13:14.38 | CatButts | aka command wrapper |
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13:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo uses softfp: Hardware floating point using the soft floating point ABI. passing floats through integer registers to a lib that moves them to the FP registers, and provides results back to caller via interger registers (or stack?). The speed penalty isn't as large as you might think since both use hardware coproc for the heacy lifting (if available, in case of softfp) |
13:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Thumb is pretty much orthogonal to this |
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16:11.10 | CatButts | hmmmm |
16:12.01 | CatButts | is it possible to detect from CLI if a proccess has a window, on Maemo? |
16:12.43 | CatButts | I'd have to get the PID on launch, somehow |
16:14.27 | CatButts | and when the timing is right, I force proccess fullscreen with wmctrl |
16:15.00 | CatButts | or maybe xdotool |
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18:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think that's not really how hildon works |
18:27.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure if matchbox supports it |
18:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I'm not mistaken and matchbox is _not_ our xserver (except maybe in early boot, or at all) |
18:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ükf |
18:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
18:29.13 | infobot | hmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
18:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummm http://maemo.org/packages/view/xserver-xomap/ |
18:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://maemo.org/packages/view/xdotool/ |
18:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: |
18:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
18:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
18:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
18:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
18:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | man xdotool is awesome |
18:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | swiss army knife |
18:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | one thing it lacks: record macros |
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18:54.53 | Maxdamantus | 01:22:58 < bencoh> Maxdamantus: there are software workarounds to the thumb2 issues ... aren't they merged? |
18:55.20 | Maxdamantus | bencoh: aiui, there are two issues .. one is worked around in a kernel, the other is worked around in userspace. |
18:55.53 | Maxdamantus | bencoh: so even if you're using a kernel with the workaround, the Debian armhf userspace is still subject to the other issue. |
18:57.07 | Maxdamantus | as DocScrutinizer05 alluded to, the issue isn't "hardfp" itself. The issue is just that Debian's "hardfp" distribution makes use of thumb2 as if it works correctly. |
18:57.16 | Maxdamantus | er, Debian's "armhf" distribution* |
19:09.18 | Maxdamantus | Oh, maybe it's enabled by default already: https://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html |
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19:30.27 | CatButts | https://github.com/jordansissel/xdotool/issues/14 |
19:30.52 | CatButts | fun |
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20:23.58 | CatButts | https://pastebin.com/LtXpCQQ5 I tried |
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20:48.33 | CatButts | I think at this stage, I should look into how Easy Debian does it |
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