| 00:30.39 | Oksanaa | What does CrawlDirectory stand for? And, I think that tracker-cfg GUI adds /home/user/MyDocs/ instead of $HOME/MyDocs/ when I use GUI. What is the significance of the difference? |
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| 07:39.42 | Vajb | off topic q. Pwd > file prints nothing in file. What to use instead? |
| 07:40.06 | KotCzarny | try lowercase |
| 07:40.13 | KotCzarny | pwd > file |
| 07:40.56 | Vajb | ah i did it like that, but now in channel I felt like respecting rules of using captal letter after dot. |
| 07:41.33 | KotCzarny | you never modify commands used for the sake of human grammar |
| 07:41.43 | KotCzarny | what does pwd alone print? |
| 07:41.50 | Vajb | I stand corrected. |
| 07:42.05 | Vajb | it prints /home/vajb |
| 07:42.20 | KotCzarny | check if you can write to the file |
| 07:42.25 | KotCzarny | ie. echo 123 > file |
| 07:43.01 | Vajb | can |
| 07:43.27 | Vajb | hmm now it did work |
| 07:43.46 | Vajb | does it matter if i use it after pipe? |
| 07:43.55 | KotCzarny | remember that > is special, for example >2 might do something else than > 2 |
| 07:44.19 | KotCzarny | also, always paste EXACT comman line that you are struggling with |
| 07:44.30 | Vajb | as of "users > file | pwd >> file"? |
| 07:45.20 | KotCzarny | um |
| 07:45.29 | Vajb | exact line is "date > file | users >> file | pwd >> file" |
| 07:45.36 | KotCzarny | if you want multiple redirections you need 'tee' command to duplicate output |
| 07:45.40 | Vajb | all but pwd part wprks |
| 07:45.44 | KotCzarny | ie. date | tee > file |
| 07:46.08 | KotCzarny | otherwise first redirection eats stream and you get empty |
| 07:46.21 | KotCzarny | tee has -a option for append |
| 07:46.47 | Vajb | i thought >> should take care of that |
| 07:46.52 | KotCzarny | also think about it, its named pipe for a reason |
| 07:46.59 | KotCzarny | it has one in, one out |
| 07:47.14 | KotCzarny | once you flush it somewhere, nothing else gets out |
| 07:47.23 | KotCzarny | >> is just append version of > |
| 07:49.39 | Vajb | i see |
| 07:50.45 | Vajb | tried with "date | tee > file | pwd | tee > file" and got just date. Obviously i didn't understand something :D |
| 07:50.52 | KotCzarny | nono |
| 07:51.11 | KotCzarny | date | tee file | tee file2 |
| 07:51.23 | KotCzarny | and keep in mind what commands do |
| 07:51.29 | KotCzarny | some ignore input, |
| 07:52.07 | KotCzarny | so in this case there are two gotchas, tee file already writes to file, adding > redirects its output again |
| 07:52.24 | KotCzarny | and second, try: echo 123 | date |
| 07:54.32 | Vajb | it seems i can't make it to work as instructed |
| 07:54.45 | KotCzarny | doing homework? |
| 07:54.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:55.00 | Vajb | yeah :D |
| 07:55.48 | Vajb | task is to write one liner which writes date, users and current working directory in to a file |
| 07:56.08 | Vajb | i got all but working directory there |
| 07:56.09 | KotCzarny | i can solve it for you |
| 07:56.26 | KotCzarny | but i guess it wouldnt be proper |
| 07:56.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:56.36 | Vajb | tell me, is pwd even the correct command? |
| 07:56.52 | KotCzarny | hint: echo $PWD |
| 07:57.46 | KotCzarny | also, does one liner means one stream of commands or just multiple commands that just fit in one line? |
| 07:58.03 | KotCzarny | another hint: echo "123 `date`" |
| 07:58.16 | KotCzarny | but i've already told too much |
| 08:00.53 | Vajb | it says one command or commands in one line |
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| 08:20.05 | CatButts | hey guys, any reccomendation for an awfully scratchy screen? |
| 08:20.27 | KotCzarny | external part is cheap |
| 08:20.40 | KotCzarny | find any broken device and exchange |
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| 08:40.36 | CatButts | http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_n95_tvout_pinout.shtml |
| 08:40.38 | CatButts | hmmmm |
| 08:40.47 | CatButts | this smells like DIY to me |
| 08:41.45 | KotCzarny | just buy the cable used |
| 08:41.58 | KotCzarny | i've paid 2 usd with shipping locally |
| 08:42.23 | CatButts | pffft |
| 08:42.33 | CatButts | puts down soldering hammer |
| 08:42.50 | KotCzarny | also, there is a chance cable will be included with the damaged replacement device you will find |
| 08:43.08 | KotCzarny | image quality sucks anyway |
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| 09:42.55 | Vajb | KotCzarny: i solved it by using ; instead of | :) |
| 09:43.57 | KotCzarny | yeah, but best would be: echo -e "$PWD\n`date;users`" > file |
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| 09:52.33 | Vajb | gotta love it stuff. Always more than one solution :) |
| 09:58.52 | KotCzarny | exactly |
| 09:58.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:59.29 | KotCzarny | and when you start using some interpreted languages (perl/php/python/ruby) it's a whole new world |
| 10:03.26 | Vajb | yeah. So far it's been only typescript |
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| 13:43.27 | CatButts | ~palmos |
| 13:43.27 | infobot | palmos is probably the second finest OS this bot knows about |
| 13:43.35 | CatButts | hehe |
| 13:43.40 | CatButts | ~garnetvm |
| 13:46.36 | CatButts | https://www.okazii.ro/geam-cu-touchscreen-nokia-n900-negru-original-a189865397 |
| 13:46.38 | CatButts | yeeeeee |
| 13:46.41 | CatButts | just my luck |
| 13:57.52 | CatButts | Where can I find Garnet VM besides the now defunct Access gvm page? |
| 13:58.10 | CatButts | archive.org is not working at the moment |
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| 15:39.14 | sicelo | ~maemo |
| 15:39.14 | infobot | somebody said maemo was http://maemo.org or freenode #maemo |
| 15:39.46 | atk | so, I've flashed this new N900 board to stock everything |
| 15:39.54 | atk | and I applied CSSU and some stuff |
| 15:40.28 | atk | what's the easiest way to move contacts and message history/call history over from another N900? |
| 15:41.22 | atk | just backup communication and calendar on one and restore it all on the other? |
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| 15:55.16 | sicelo | atk: sounds correct |
| 15:55.31 | whitepony | hello |
| 15:56.12 | sicelo | hi whitepony |
| 16:03.56 | atk | the backup program sits at 0% forever |
| 16:07.52 | whitepony | wwwwwwwwwww |
| 16:07.56 | whitepony | sorry |
| 16:09.35 | sicelo | atk: it is slow iirc. anyway, try doing backup immediately after reboot. |
| 16:10.00 | atk | that didn't work either, I'm just going to download this "glogarchive" program which can apparently just backup the comms |
| 16:10.16 | atk | incidentally, is it possible to boot the n900 without a screen attached? |
| 16:11.45 | sicelo | maybe your el-v1.db is too big for the backup program to handle. delete some conversations, etc. |
| 16:12.18 | atk | hmm |
| 16:12.25 | sicelo | you can also exports contacts as vcards. |
| 16:12.42 | atk | I keep all my spam emails in a big archive, do you think I'm just going to delete some conversations? :P |
| 16:13.04 | atk | I exported the contacts, but I want the SMS history on the new phone |
| 16:13.16 | sixwheeledbeast | default backup program yes. can take a while |
| 16:13.49 | sicelo | if all else fails, extract the from the bd. it's sqlite |
| 16:14.06 | sicelo | s/bd/db/ |
| 16:14.34 | atk | ok, that works too... I'll do that if all else fails |
| 16:14.54 | sixwheeledbeast | aren't emails stored in elsewhere |
| 16:15.06 | atk | on my server, yes |
| 16:15.12 | atk | I don't care about the emails on the phone though... |
| 16:15.22 | atk | wait... if backup backs up emails on the phone... that would explain why it takes ages |
| 16:15.40 | atk | I do indeed have maybe 20000 unarchived spam emails, but the N900 shouldn't have downloaded them |
| 16:17.18 | atk | I'll delete that email account from the phone first and maybe try again... |
| 16:19.34 | sixwheeledbeast | sorry I mean on the device, not in the .db |
| 16:22.19 | sixwheeledbeast | I have just started a backup now, lets see how long it takes. I have no email accounts on the device at the moment. |
| 16:27.32 | sixwheeledbeast | backup just finished, but sat on 0% for ages |
| 16:29.56 | atk | oh |
| 16:30.08 | atk | well, I've just started it again after deleting the email account |
| 16:30.28 | atk | another question: how do I install uboot? |
| 16:32.59 | sicelo | same way you install everything else - application manager. (or apt-get, which is not generally recommended) |
| 16:33.08 | atk | oh, so it's just a package? |
| 16:33.28 | atk | also: yay! the backup is now at 7% |
| 16:34.03 | sixwheeledbeast | ~uboot |
| 16:34.03 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 16:35.08 | atk | ok |
| 16:35.27 | sixwheeledbeast | packages are in the thread with instructions |
| 16:36.42 | atk | only 31MB of SMS |
| 16:37.04 | atk | that seems like a lot actually... I don't text that many people |
| 16:37.16 | atk | ok, time to replace the motherboard with one with a working keyboard |
| 16:37.36 | atk | and a working a lot of other things |
| 16:37.44 | atk | I do hope the SIM and SD slots work |
| 16:38.06 | atk | it's out of an N900 which looks like it was dropped, hopefully no BGA cracks |
| 16:39.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Think my backup was 67MB I did everything |
| 16:46.20 | atk | moment of truth... |
| 16:46.30 | atk | time to see if it can make and take calls |
| 16:47.00 | atk | I'm sure apple will remove that feature from their phones in the next version, so it might not seem as important. |
| 16:48.02 | atk | it connected to my network :D |
| 16:48.32 | bencoh | congratz |
| 16:49.54 | atk | need to wait for the network configuration messages |
| 16:52.06 | atk | it makes and takes calls and receives SMS |
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| 16:52.54 | atk | now I'll see if that backup worked |
| 16:55.14 | atk | What's the recommended GPS program for the N900? |
| 16:55.41 | sicelo | maps, you mean? modrana |
| 16:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/4081970 |
| 16:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | el-v1.db >1MB means your device comes to a grinding halt |
| 16:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe 2MB |
| 16:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a flaw in maemo that Nokia sw engineers never considered to fix: el-v1.db can grow to insane mad size and no process will ever take care to clean that stuff out |
| 17:03.04 | atk | 600k here |
| 17:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | another flaw: missing call end time, fixed by stored procedures patch, see ~jrtools |
| 17:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: for GPS test there's a tool |
| 17:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/location-test-gui/ |
| 17:05.51 | bencoh | there's also a more complete, opensource one |
| 17:06.37 | bencoh | gpsdata iirc |
| 17:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | nore complete? |
| 17:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | more* |
| 17:08.08 | bencoh | shows satellites / strength |
| 17:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ does |
| 17:08.32 | atk | sicelo: it's complaining about libespeak and espak-data being missing |
| 17:08.38 | atk | Are those in testing/devel somewhere? |
| 17:08.44 | sixwheeledbeast | I have used gpsdata |
| 17:09.04 | sixwheeledbeast | modrana is more for mapping then GPS |
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| 17:09.56 | atk | It would be nice to have something from walking-around mapping and also for driving navigation |
| 17:10.36 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe best to pull the master tree from github if you want modrana. I still haven't heard back about getting an updated version in extras-devel. |
| 17:10.40 | atk | Is it normal for N900 to lock on very slowly (GPS) ? My previous N900 and this N900 both seem to take a while to actually get an accurate reading |
| 17:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes like 20s here. with SIM |
| 17:12.02 | sixwheeledbeast | A-GPS should be quick, without can take minutes |
| 17:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you got no SIM and no working SUPL, then... it can take 30min or forever |
| 17:12.44 | atk | A-GPS? |
| 17:13.01 | sixwheeledbeast | supl a-gps |
| 17:13.08 | atk | Maybe both devices had a broken SUPL then |
| 17:13.26 | atk | Because I've had it take minutes and this is taking minutes |
| 17:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | most likely |
| 17:13.38 | atk | oh well, no GPS for me :P |
| 17:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl |
| 17:13.41 | infobot | supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen |
| 17:13.42 | atk | any map viewer then? |
| 17:14.10 | sicelo | that factooid should be updated. |
| 17:14.15 | sixwheeledbeast | supl.google.com no longer works, only fix at the moment is hacking the hosts file. |
| 17:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | feel free :-) |
| 17:14.25 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 17:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo supl |
| 17:14.29 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as supl |
| 17:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo #maemo supl |
| 17:14.37 | infobot | #maemo supl -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri Feb 8 08:26:00 2013 (1740 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 56s ago. |
| 17:14.44 | atk | sixwheeledbeast: what do you mean hacking the hosts file? |
| 17:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal supl |
| 17:14.48 | infobot | "#maemo supl" is "<reply> supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen" |
| 17:15.06 | sicelo | atk: modrana for something FOSS. for my needs, built-in Ovi Maps works fantastic. |
| 17:15.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I am going afk, sicelo knows ;) |
| 17:15.34 | sixwheeledbeast | bbl |
| 17:16.58 | bencoh | atk: 52.22.201.16 supl.nokia.com |
| 17:17.36 | atk | can't I just put the IP in the entry box? (I presume I can't) |
| 17:18.39 | sicelo | iirc that doesn't work. you ae welcome to test :-) |
| 17:19.07 | bencoh | I suppose you'd have some ssl verification issue then, but dunno :) |
| 17:19.09 | sicelo | note that supl doesn't work without some updates to the certman packages. see tmo. |
| 17:19.20 | bencoh | ah, right, there's that too |
| 17:19.44 | bencoh | although it works here with stable-ish cssu (and I don't think I manually updated certman) |
| 17:20.00 | atk | having a working keyboard... |
| 17:20.02 | atk | it's amazing |
| 17:20.24 | atk | ~tmo |
| 17:20.24 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 17:20.32 | bencoh | I might have manually updated the cert store though ... |
| 17:21.02 | atk | oh, talk.maemo.org... I always get very confused by that acronym |
| 17:21.42 | bencoh | :) |
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| 17:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos, who's going to run a SUPL server for maemo now? |
| 17:33.00 | atk | how do I test if the supl is being used? |
| 17:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT's a very good question |
| 17:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | strace liblocation? no idea |
| 17:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | find the thread in tmo |
| 17:36.38 | atk | I think I found it, I'm reading through the pages |
| 17:42.20 | atk | hmm |
| 17:42.56 | atk | supl.google.com _seems_ to work |
| 17:43.02 | atk | openssl s_client connects fine |
| 17:43.08 | atk | gps locks quickly |
| 17:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 |
| 17:43.56 | atk | yeah... I found that thread |
| 17:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo supl is also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 |
| 17:44.11 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~supl |
| 17:44.19 | infobot | supl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651 |
| 17:50.34 | bencoh | it should be "easy" since your phone has been unused for quite a long time and moved location |
| 17:51.18 | bencoh | receiving all the needed information to get a cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc |
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| 17:51.42 | atk | I did actually wait 12 minutes and got a fix while I was researching these SUPL providers |
| 17:51.48 | bencoh | hmm |
| 17:52.48 | bencoh | then we can no longer rely on that unless someone know of a reliable way to reset gps |
| 17:57.46 | atk | on another note |
| 17:58.44 | atk | when I try to install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" via HAM as specified by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 I get: "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" |
| 18:05.24 | sicelo | there is a gps cache cleaner in one of the gps bug reports (bugs.maemo.org) |
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| 18:12.00 | atk | And final question: Where do I find quteTube2? I had it installed previously but now I can't find it when searching through HAM |
| 18:13.36 | atk | s/qute/cute/ |
| 18:18.02 | atk | ah, I think I need extras |
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| 18:19.30 | atk | no, I do have extras |
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| 19:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that |
| 19:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c35 |
| 19:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw http://susepaste.org/60305468 |
| 19:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: xes: council: cert expired! ^^^ |
| 19:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((reliable way to reset gps)) tere's a R&D tool for that http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/clear-gps-cache |
| 19:15.32 | atk | good IRC client for N900? |
| 19:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((cold fix should take roughly 12mn iirc)) well, actually every SV (Sat) sends own position (ephemeral) every iirc 40s, so a GPS chip with enough correlators to try receive all possible codes at all possible doppler shifts would get a cold fix in max 40s |
| 19:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | without assistance by SUPL or LLRP |
| 19:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | RRLP? |
| 19:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps |
| 19:18.26 | infobot | RRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP |
| 19:19.14 | atk | cool, that worked |
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| 19:19.34 | atk | my lock is taking ages again |
| 19:19.54 | atk | now let's try google |
| 19:20.14 | atk | that took seconds |
| 19:20.35 | N900Butts | man, xchat is kinda fugly |
| 19:20.40 | atk | so supl.google.com works |
| 19:20.46 | atk | 10/10 |
| 19:21.04 | atk | DocScrutinizer05: today you get a rating of 10/10 |
| 19:21.08 | atk | and so does everyone else |
| 19:22.08 | atk | DocScrutinizer05: aside from being fugly, does it work well? |
| 19:22.18 | atk | and also: does it support SASL |
| 19:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 19:22.48 | atk | it's authentication based on a client cert |
| 19:23.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you're talking about? |
| 19:23.06 | atk | you basically have your own self signed cert and provide it to the server and the server has your FP and that's how auth works |
| 19:23.14 | atk | xchat |
| 19:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 19:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | xchat is fine |
| 19:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 |
| 19:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrxchat |
| 19:24.15 | infobot | i heard jrxchat is <DocScrutinizer05> iSicelo: regarding xchat: some users say it changes from 'unbearable' to 'best IRC client on N900' by using: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ <iSicelo> yes. i am one of those users who praised your 'tweaks' |
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| 19:36.57 | MaemoButts | a lot of these applications feel like halfarsed ports of desktop ones. |
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| 19:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | drive-by ranting? |
| 19:44.30 | sicelo | seems to be CatButts |
| 19:44.38 | atk | sasl on xchat... |
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| 19:45.00 | atk | effort_required > effort_available |
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| 19:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | #maemo +q *butts |
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| 19:45.24 | atk | I think... you didn't do anything...? |
| 19:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
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| 19:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | new macro |
| 19:50.10 | sixwheeledbeast | atk: I don't think your test will work for supl. I imagine if you use supl.google.com and reboot you will not get a fix. |
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| 19:50.38 | sixwheeledbeast | not quickly via supl anyway |
| 19:51.34 | atk | I don't really see why tbh... |
| 19:51.40 | atk | the server IS there |
| 19:51.48 | atk | the cert is correct |
| 19:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | phmy |
| 19:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy even |
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| 19:52.24 | atk | I'll try |
| 19:54.24 | atk | I'm still curious about that u-boot error btw |
| 19:54.56 | atk | getting uboot working will be the final piece (I need that so I can put pmOS on an SD card and run it from the N900) |
| 19:55.30 | atk | sixwheeledbeast: I rebooted and got a fix in under 5 seconds |
| 19:57.02 | sixwheeledbeast | hm well it certainly didn't work for a few people a while back. I assume you haven't edited your hosts file yet then. |
| 19:57.36 | atk | the only edit was for supl.nokia.com not for supl.google.com |
| 19:58.16 | atk | with network positioning turned off and a GPS cache clear the GPSData program hasn't even gotten a rough guess of where I am |
| 19:59.46 | atk | I just turned on network positioning and it took 10 seconds |
| 19:59.54 | atk | Yeah... I think it's working |
| 20:03.37 | MaemoButts_ | this is rude |
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| 20:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: you have a SIM? |
| 20:11.22 | atk | yes |
| 20:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so see RRLP |
| 20:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I always get cold fix within 15s and hot fix in <5s with SIM |
| 20:13.56 | atk | Do I need to enable this somehow? |
| 20:14.10 | atk | I mean, SUPL works atm |
| 20:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ot's actually unclear if "network positioning" also controls RRLP |
| 20:14.26 | atk | Ah |
| 20:14.30 | atk | I did another test before |
| 20:14.38 | atk | where I passed a broken domain to the entry |
| 20:14.42 | atk | "ssupl.google.com" |
| 20:14.50 | atk | I'll try that again after clearing cache |
| 20:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's however absolutely clear that a missing SIM blocks any RRLP |
| 20:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | also correct system time has a massive impact on GPS, as paradox as it sounds |
| 20:16.30 | atk | I was aware of that |
| 20:16.46 | atk | Is there some place where I can configure NTP settings on N900? |
| 20:17.02 | atk | I sometimes have had issues with it automatically updating the time correctly (after reboots) |
| 20:17.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, in NTP ;-) |
| 20:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo soesn't do NTP |
| 20:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you installed NTP package |
| 20:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo does cellular time |
| 20:17.50 | atk | oh... |
| 20:17.56 | atk | Interesting |
| 20:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | also only with SIM, obviously |
| 20:18.56 | MaemoButts_ | ~uboot |
| 20:18.56 | infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 |
| 20:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it makes sense when you think about it: not everybody has a data plan, but everybody with a dataplan has a SIM to do cellmo time |
| 20:19.58 | sicelo | if the networks does cellmo time though .. and if it is working |
| 20:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep ;-D |
| 20:20.20 | atk | "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" - installing this gave me an error from HAM |
| 20:20.30 | atk | it didn't let me install, something about 3rd party package polic |
| 20:20.32 | atk | y |
| 20:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:21.12 | sicelo | makes sense ... it is going to override your kernel |
| 20:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh well, kernel is prolly core system protected by nokia trust |
| 20:21.36 | atk | "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy" |
| 20:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: enable red pill, checkmark "ignore 3rd party policy" OWTTE |
| 20:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~redpill |
| 20:22.46 | infobot | from memory, redpill is http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode |
| 20:22.50 | atk | owtte - never heard that one before - "or words to that effect" I presume? |
| 20:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:25.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I think redpill is available in menu for speedyham, no? |
| 20:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW check CSSU changelock for "enabled red pill in HAM" or somesuch |
| 20:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply check your HAM menu |
| 20:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | to start with |
| 20:27.49 | sicelo | or, if you're prepared to handle the pieces, use apt-get |
| 20:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work for uBoot, yes |
| 20:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd actually think uBoot qualifies for "cli install package" |
| 20:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want uBoot when you're not root and comfy with cli anyway |
| 20:30.18 | atk | I am a professional expert linux CLI user, people think I am hacking into a bank when I use my laptop. |
| 20:30.20 | atk | I think I qualify. |
| 20:30.44 | atk | Although I rarely use apt |
| 20:32.04 | atk | u-boot should have been called uboot from the start |
| 20:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Reenabled Red Pill mode.<< http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo5 |
| 20:32.54 | atk | "You are going to flash new kernel image into ..... but new version string is not similar...." "old: 2.6.28-omap1" "new: U-Boot 2013.04" |
| 20:32.58 | atk | that looks correct |
| 20:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Uncomment Red Pill mode GUI option for permanent Red Pill mode<< Tmaemo10 |
| 20:33.31 | MaemoButts_ | What's the firefox version equiv of MicroB that ships with n900? |
| 20:34.02 | atk | DocScrutinizer05: I tried enabling red pill and it worked but HAM crashed when I tried to ignore the tppp |
| 20:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh |
| 20:34.26 | atk | i installed u-boot-flasher anyway |
| 20:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | changes in GAM menu should see a restart of HAM |
| 20:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/G/H/ |
| 20:35.05 | sicelo | 3.5 or somehting like that, MaemoButts_ |
| 20:35.28 | atk | DocScrutinizer05: it crashed (actually said it crashed), after restarting the option was unset |
| 20:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you should restart it *without* crah |
| 20:35.58 | atk | ha! |
| 20:36.02 | atk | I'll do that next time |
| 20:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | start, set option, quit, start again |
| 20:36.52 | atk | the crash happened when I clicked "save" |
| 20:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh |
| 20:37.10 | atk | well, anyway, uboot is installed |
| 20:37.42 | atk | and the N900 still works |
| 20:38.08 | atk | I wonder how I can turn off these TES Morrowind magic style sounds that the phone keeps emitting |
| 20:38.16 | atk | although actually.. I think they're growing on me# |
| 20:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr *COUGH* http://paste.opensuse.org/37177206 |
| 20:38.44 | atk | Coworkers found it especially funny when they first heard my old Nokia ringtone. |
| 20:38.50 | atk | and also the shaking hands jingle |
| 20:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | blinks |
| 20:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | TES Morrowind magic style sounds? |
| 20:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Sound |
| 20:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | scratches head |
| 20:41.58 | MaemoButts_ | You mean the wooshy thing when you plug charger in? |
| 20:43.35 | mp107 | The begging low battery tone also sounds unique |
| 20:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/3890982 |
| 20:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/66292143 |
| 20:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, for f in /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav; do echo $f;play-sound $f; done |
| 20:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: control volume in profile settings |
| 20:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | "system tones" or somesuch |
| 20:52.40 | atk | DocScrutinizer05: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDWDS9FjUWw&feature=youtu.be&t=45s |
| 20:52.58 | atk | https://youtu.be/xDWDS9FjUWw?t=45s * |
| 20:53.08 | atk | that whistling sound |
| 20:53.16 | atk | that's what the "usb plugged in" sound sounds like to me |
| 20:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it does |
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| 20:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P http://paste.opensuse.org/91848042 |
| 20:55.43 | sicelo | loves the usb/charger sound! |
| 20:57.14 | sicelo | hehe DocScrutinizer05. that makes sound on every keyboard slide? |
| 20:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/1395677 |
| 20:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | need this too |
| 20:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and dbus-scripting |
| 20:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | search for it on tmo, it's explained there in some completely otgher topic thread ;-) |
| 21:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/etc/ |
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| 21:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: you can mute the sound by holding lockswitch while sliding open |
| 21:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | every now and them muses about other funny or useful stuff to trigger by slide-open while holding a button |
| 21:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, start self-destruction on slide-close while holding lockswitch and vol+ ? ;-D |
| 21:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the paranoid Bonds err Bournes |
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| 21:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW, for the curious minds: http://paste.opensuse.org/54489558 |
| 21:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/26140273 |
| 21:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: anyway you can swap /usr/share/sounds/ui*.wav for any other .wav you like |
| 21:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: note that for ringtones it's waaay more tricky though |
| 21:21.20 | atk | It's fine |
| 21:21.26 | atk | nokia ringtone is the best ringtone |
| 21:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:21.36 | atk | when Neo900 arrives, that's going to be my ringtone |
| 21:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | got some DEVO song |
| 21:24.32 | sixwheeledbeast | er no. Nokia hands and nokia ringtone are the first things to change. |
| 21:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Q: Are we not men A: we are DEVO |
| 21:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | very convenient uniqueness and spectrum |
| 21:26.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck no, N900 lies at me |
| 21:27.37 | atk | sixwheeledbeast: nonsense, how will people know that you're stuck in 2008 if your 2008 nokia phone doesn't even sound like a 2008 nokia phone? |
| 21:28.04 | atk | heck, I was even thinking how I might keep the nokia handshake on the neo900 |
| 21:28.51 | sixwheeledbeast | Er, opening the keyboard to text. Instantly triggers question of what phone do you have? |
| 21:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43gKl9xIME&feature=youtu.be&t=517 |
| 21:33.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://youtu.be/d43gKl9xIME?t=662 is total misfit for a ringtone, due to dynamic and spectrum |
| 21:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity |
| 21:33.16 | atk | sixwheeledbeast: every time someone asks if I have an android or apple phone I have to explain... |
| 21:33.48 | atk | I mean... I don't get it... |
| 21:33.53 | sixwheeledbeast | naturally, same for desktop. |
| 21:33.56 | atk | What are you supposed to change the ringtone to? |
| 21:33.58 | atk | a long beep? |
| 21:34.08 | atk | the sound of an old dial phone? |
| 21:34.17 | sixwheeledbeast | I use the classic "Nokia Low Ring" |
| 21:34.42 | atk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqtPKy3h9-k ? |
| 21:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware of the "use as ringtone" option in mediaplayer? |
| 21:35.08 | sixwheeledbeast | well for people I don't know. |
| 21:35.20 | atk | Why would I want a song as my ringtone? |
| 21:35.23 | sixwheeledbeast | I have custom ringtones for all contacts |
| 21:35.25 | APic | Why not? |
| 21:35.26 | atk | then people would know what I listen to |
| 21:35.30 | APic | So? |
| 21:35.32 | MaemoButts | https://youtube.com/watch?v=YBOsBY1djr4 did someone say ringtones? |
| 21:35.34 | APic | lol |
| 21:35.48 | atk | I don't just tell random people what music I listen to!!?!?! |
| 21:35.56 | Maxdamantus | uses the start of Rachmaninov's prelude in A minor |
| 21:35.58 | atk | Only close friends get to know that. |
| 21:36.06 | Maxdamantus | or maybe it's A major, can't remember. |
| 21:36.24 | sixwheeledbeast | yes, that Low but a newer version from a later Nokia brick |
| 21:37.22 | atk | whenever I have any ringtone I find the most generic thing I can find |
| 21:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | atk: LOL, when we were young we had a thing called ghettoblaster ;-P |
| 21:38.04 | atk | 15:9 -_- |
| 21:38.08 | atk | it's five by three |
| 21:38.10 | atk | for fucks sake |
| 21:38.12 | atk | 5:3 |
| 21:38.16 | atk | learn to divide |
| 21:38.20 | atk | you innumerate fucks |
| 21:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 21:38.26 | atk | wrong channel |
| 21:38.44 | atk | I was very angry at someone stating an aspect ratio |
| 21:38.47 | sixwheeledbeast | I like having a custom ringtone for each contact I know who it is before i look at the screen. |
| 21:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: there's only one üackage for per-contact ringtones I know of, and that's a very brittle one |
| 21:40.36 | sixwheeledbeast | It's not great but I prefer to have it than not. |
| 21:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. Well could prolly use a sanitize/recover script in sysinit |
| 21:41.58 | atk | sixwheeledbeast: how can you find enough generic ringtones for each contact? |
| 21:41.59 | sixwheeledbeast | Should have been implemented by Nokia IMO |
| 21:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's too simple to make that thing mess up your settings and never recover |
| 21:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, absolutely >:-( |
| 21:43.22 | sixwheeledbeast | I use music, the tracks associated to the person, normally tracks with good intros. |
| 21:43.40 | atk | hmm |
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| 21:43.44 | sixwheeledbeast | Can always reflash, and I don't plan on removing it |
| 21:43.48 | atk | But then people know what music you listen to. |
| 21:44.12 | atk | Telling people what music you listen to is like telling people personal details about yourself. |
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| 21:45.41 | sixwheeledbeast | I am not worried about that type of information being known in close proximity. |
| 21:46.02 | atk | hmm |
| 21:46.16 | sixwheeledbeast | It's likely they would guess my music taste from my appearance |
| 21:46.31 | APic | *shrug* |
| 21:46.53 | sixwheeledbeast | Especially if I was wearing a Slayer T-Shirt at the time for example... |
| 21:46.58 | atk | hmm |
| 21:47.04 | atk | doesn't understand wearing band shirts either |
| 21:47.08 | atk | I guess I'm weird |
| 21:47.31 | CatButts | [21:43] <DocScrutinizer05> drive-by ranting? |
| 21:47.45 | CatButts | switching IRC clients |
| 21:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: yeah, realized that |
| 21:47.58 | atk | CatButts: did you find one which supports SASL out of the box? |
| 21:48.38 | CatButts | what's a sauce-el? |
| 21:48.44 | atk | hmm |
| 21:48.45 | sixwheeledbeast | I suppose it's to show support to a band and spread there name. I am not a huge band t shirt wearer, but it's an example. |
| 21:48.48 | atk | never mind |
| 21:52.09 | CatButts | IrGGu is one I like so far |
| 21:52.22 | CatButts | for the interface |
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| 22:04.22 | CatButts | I assume attempting to slap a C/C++ dev environment on the N900 is a few orders of trouble |
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| 22:21.05 | APic | Why? |
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| 22:49.13 | CatButts | ~gcc |
| 22:49.13 | infobot | methinks gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
| 22:49.16 | CatButts | eh |
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| 23:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 23:17.33 | infobot | methinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
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