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| 01:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~drowned |
| 01:59.21 | infobot | drowned is probably https://www.gazelle.com/thehorn/2014/04/30/immersion-therapy-save-phone-water-damage/ |
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| 09:48.57 | Langoor | sorry for asking, I got my n900 and want to install uboot, its on the power user kernel (came like this) but for uboot i heard you need to be on the nokia vanilla kernel |
| 09:49.16 | Langoor | downgrade using the app doesn´t work because the repo´s are down |
| 09:49.33 | KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos |
| 09:49.33 | infobot | maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories |
| 09:49.49 | KotCzarny | but really, you should be using cssu, not vanilla |
| 09:49.51 | Langoor | will that work with the __nokia kernel__ app? |
| 09:50.07 | Langoor | will cssu work with uboot? |
| 09:51.04 | KotCzarny | you will have to wait for someone that used it |
| 09:51.50 | KotCzarny | in short, uboot works in the way it impersonates kernel to the first stage loader (nolo), and expects kernel files on filesystem |
| 09:52.03 | KotCzarny | that's a bit of guessing though |
| 09:52.12 | Langoor | allright, thanks |
| 09:52.18 | KotCzarny | because i don't know details |
| 09:52.25 | KotCzarny | and you should wait for someone that does |
| 09:53.14 | Langoor | Will do, thanks anyway |
| 09:53.14 | sixwheeledbeast | kp support uboot you just need uboot for kp from extras. |
| 09:53.29 | Langoor | kp = power user kernel? |
| 09:53.41 | sixwheeledbeast | kernel power, yes |
| 09:53.45 | sixwheeledbeast | ~kp |
| 09:53.46 | infobot | i guess kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287 |
| 09:56.23 | sixwheeledbeast | "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" and "Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-Boot)" from extras |
| 09:57.42 | Langoor | allright! thanks! |
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| 10:00.30 | sixwheeledbeast | you should have cssu and make sure the device is up to date for bugfixes etc |
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| 10:02.00 | sixwheeledbeast | CSSU doesn't have a "non-vanilla" kernel only thumb needs the workaround (cssu-kernel or KP). |
| 10:03.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Also if you have acquired the device with kp make sure you check if it's been overclocked. |
| 10:03.50 | sixwheeledbeast | ~oc |
| 10:03.50 | infobot | methinks oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
| 10:03.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ~overclock |
| 10:03.56 | infobot | I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm. |
| 10:04.04 | sixwheeledbeast | :( |
| 10:04.17 | Langoor | allright |
| 10:04.17 | KotCzarny | ~listkeys overclock |
| 10:04.28 | sixwheeledbeast | ~overclocking |
| 10:04.28 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 10:04.33 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 10:04.46 | sixwheeledbeast | ty |
| 10:05.48 | Langoor | !!!U-Boot with kernel.... break the 3rd party package policy |
| 10:05.50 | Langoor | :x |
| 10:07.00 | Langoor | I installed the Linux kernel for power user (boot image) first |
| 10:07.03 | Langoor | might that be a problem |
| 10:08.11 | Langoor | I´ll get cssu up |
| 10:09.13 | Langoor | its not even on pr3.1 |
| 10:09.14 | Langoor | oops |
| 10:09.46 | CatButts | patiently waits for his device |
| 10:09.52 | KotCzarny | did you ever flash after acquiring the device? (assuming it was bought used) |
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| 11:37.37 | sixwheeledbeast | I would also agree it's better to start again with a fresh device. |
| 11:38.07 | sixwheeledbeast | You'll need to be on pr1.3 and then cssu. |
| 11:42.04 | CatButts | prX.X |
| 11:42.16 | CatButts | these are firmware versions, right? |
| 11:45.34 | sixwheeledbeast | public release numbers. there are also version numbers |
| 11:46.35 | sixwheeledbeast | so pr 1.3.1 is aka 21.2011.38-1 |
| 11:47.49 | sixwheeledbeast | this is the last Nokia release, CSSU would be 21.2011.38-1XmaemoX |
| 11:53.05 | CatButts | so, CSSU is community maintained firmware |
| 11:53.27 | CatButts | and one would need latest official before going CSSU, yes? |
| 11:53.48 | KotCzarny | cssu is updates, not firmware |
| 11:54.10 | KotCzarny | and yes, you need 1.3/1.3.1 on device before updating with cssu |
| 12:03.04 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 12:04.17 | sixwheeledbeast | it would be nice to have flashable cssu image but I don't believe it's allowed to be distributed like that. |
| 12:04.47 | sixwheeledbeast | (community) seamless software updates |
| 12:09.14 | buZz | highly doubt nokia would sue us over it though :P |
| 12:09.18 | KotCzarny | i guess as long no one starts making moneys on it, no one would bother |
| 12:10.03 | CatButts | oh hey, I can use Flash on this thing :P |
| 12:10.53 | sixwheeledbeast | the thing is you have to define "us". Flash is years out of date and mostly broken for 4 years or more. |
| 12:11.52 | CatButts | what is latest version for Maemo? |
| 12:12.01 | buZz | its called meego |
| 12:12.03 | buZz | isnt it? |
| 12:12.05 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 12:12.13 | KotCzarny | last real maemo was fremantle |
| 12:12.16 | sixwheeledbeast | version of what? |
| 12:12.18 | buZz | i thought it was direct continueation |
| 12:12.24 | CatButts | Flash Player |
| 12:12.26 | KotCzarny | harmattan is who knows what |
| 12:12.29 | sixwheeledbeast | 11 |
| 12:12.30 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 12:12.31 | CatButts | for Maemo |
| 12:12.39 | KotCzarny | disregard what i've written |
| 12:13.06 | KotCzarny | buzz: well, for you what i wrote still holds |
| 12:13.21 | CatButts | so how broken are we talking? |
| 12:13.26 | CatButts | *so, |
| 12:14.04 | KotCzarny | buzz: |
| 12:14.05 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/ |
| 12:14.41 | sixwheeledbeast | Flash needs to die, html5 should be supported going forward. |
| 12:15.10 | KotCzarny | swb: html5 is already sabotaged by drm |
| 12:15.11 | CatButts | Flash hate is a meme, html5 is kind of a fucky mess |
| 12:15.19 | KotCzarny | swb: so good luck with that |
| 12:15.34 | CatButts | * -kind |
| 12:15.45 | KotCzarny | eff left html standardization foundation |
| 12:15.45 | CatButts | tones down his kindness |
| 12:16.46 | sixwheeledbeast | it was actually flash 9 btw. |
| 12:17.05 | CatButts | oh, so Maemo gets up to Flash 9 |
| 12:17.06 | CatButts | ? |
| 12:17.18 | sixwheeledbeast | offically |
| 12:17.21 | sixwheeledbeast | yep |
| 12:19.21 | sixwheeledbeast | then it was hacked with hexedit I recall to try and get it working on 10-12 |
| 12:20.00 | sixwheeledbeast | I still think flash is awful no meme intended. |
| 12:20.17 | jonwil | Flash needs to go away and I hope the "Maemo Leste" effort doesn't spend a single second of time trying to make any of the Flash binaries work. |
| 12:22.54 | CatButts | allocates some time and energy to getting flash working in places it shouldn't just to piss off people |
| 12:23.31 | CatButts | what can I say, I have a softspot for Flash :P |
| 12:26.00 | jonwil | In principle Flash isn't bad, the problem is that Adobe put too much effort into adding useless crap to it and not enough effort into making Flash secure. |
| 12:26.14 | jonwil | Which is why so much malware out there is using Flash as a delivery vector |
| 12:26.30 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't like what i know of EME but what can you do. EFF had no luck. |
| 12:27.37 | jonwil | The argument made by proponents of EME is that DRM on the web is here to stay and if everyone who writes browsers (and makes web sites) agrees on how to implement it, its better for the web as a whole than having every browser maker doing their own thing |
| 12:30.39 | CatButts | ah, so it's like PDF format providing specification for using your own DRM? |
| 12:31.16 | jonwil | EME is a standard for what calls a web page uses to talk to a DRM module |
| 12:36.59 | KotCzarny | jownwil: lol, it's finished on 'leste' ? sounds like 'me moleste' ;) |
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| 18:29.30 | CatButts | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TYv2PhG89A unrelated |
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| 19:01.40 | CatButts | >Open this page in N900 webbrowser. Think a minute if you want to be a tester supporting CSSU bleeding edge, or you rather need a rock solid CSSU, then click on the according Install stable or testing icon at top of this page, or directly on the links in this very sentence. |
| 19:01.49 | CatButts | but |
| 19:02.00 | CatButts | how fast is bleeding edge these days |
| 19:02.29 | CatButts | if it's slow, it might well be "sorta stable" |
| 19:03.08 | sixwheeledbeast | I feel that needs a little updating. |
| 19:03.57 | sixwheeledbeast | as there is CSSU-Devel since then which is "bleeding edge" |
| 19:04.18 | sixwheeledbeast | not for general consumption however. |
| 19:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, cssu-devel was never meant to be a real repo |
| 19:04.48 | CatButts | scratches his cat butt |
| 19:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | waits for maemo-cssu-devel-experimetal in 6 months, if ever -devel replaced -testing, and -testing is new stable, and -stable is new archive |
| 19:06.42 | sixwheeledbeast | it's for pulling bleeding edge packages whereas testing is not bleeding edge more longer term testing. |
| 19:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a 9 motnhs later maemo-cssu-devel-experimetal-testing |
| 19:08.12 | CatButts | is it a girl or a boy? |
| 19:08.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Packages need to progress, not create more repos. |
| 19:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-devel was meant for packager testing packaging. Development and deploy of testing packages was histroically via tmo or links to arbitrary download locations on tmo, by getting a *.deb (dpk?) file and installing it via dpkg -i |
| 19:09.44 | sixwheeledbeast | agreed |
| 19:10.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | to put it plain: *nobody* but the package developer is supposed to ever add maemo-cssu-devel repo to their sources.list |
| 19:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I suggested to replace "free" by the packagename in cssu-devel, so even when somebody adds a sources.list line, it would be for exactly one package only |
| 19:13.19 | sixwheeledbeast | I like that idea. You are never going to stop people adding stuff to there device. |
| 19:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | could be done by a simple little script on repo.m.o |
| 19:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | git hook |
| 19:16.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | we don't want people run "update all" in HAM against cssu-devel, do we? |
| 19:17.06 | CatButts | I dunno what I want |
| 19:17.20 | CatButts | guess I will find out when I get me device |
| 19:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: you want cssu-testing |
| 19:18.37 | CatButts | so, what are the 50 shades of CSSU |
| 19:18.42 | CatButts | ? |
| 19:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2017-10-23.log.html#t2017-10-23T13:54:44 |
| 19:24.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | moving to cssu-devel (like happened for maemo-extras[-devel]) won't buy maemo anything except huge headache. The problem is lack of human resources to keep cssu-testing up to date |
| 19:24.11 | sixwheeledbeast | cssu is stable or testing, no 50 shades |
| 19:25.35 | CatButts | 2 shades of cssu |
| 19:26.00 | sixwheeledbeast | flavours you could argue |
| 19:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | missing HR for keeping cssu-testing maintained can't get solved by introducing a non-maintained repo (devel) |
| 19:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | CatButts: we have hints and instructions all over the place. But maybe a useful starting point particularly when you're preparing for receiving your device, might be: |
| 19:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:28.22 | infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:30.58 | sixwheeledbeast | I completely agree but I still don't feel cssu-testing is "bleeding edge", more about the wording on the wiki. |
| 19:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack |
| 19:31.38 | CatButts | can I call it "dried blood bleeding-edge"> |
| 19:31.42 | CatButts | *? |
| 19:33.02 | sixwheeledbeast | bleeding edge: so new that they could have a high risk of being unreliable and lead adopters to incur greater expense in order to make use of them |
| 19:34.46 | sixwheeledbeast | CatButts: IMO if your new to Maemo then go Stable you can always upgrade to Testing later. |
| 19:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | works too |
| 19:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I slightly updated my jrtools |
| 20:00.10 | sixwheeledbeast | recommended.install is just muarf Nokia SSU and Nokia apps IIRC? |
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| 20:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think so, yes |
| 20:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can look into the file in your browser's preview |
| 20:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install |
| 20:26.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 20:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>TL;DR: CLICK ON recommended.install - it's a symlink to muarf_all<< |
| 20:28.57 | sixwheeledbeast | yes I checked the install file. |
| 20:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | should it also be mr0? |
| 20:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e.: http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/mr0/ |
| 20:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmp: http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ |
| 20:36.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, bash in mr0? |
| 20:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, bash_2.05b-26osso7+0m5_armel.deb resp (SSU) bash_2.05b-26osso8+0m5_armel.deb |
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| 22:37.05 | zekorius | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv71 unknown |
| 22:37.15 | zekorius | it's what I got after uname -a |
| 22:38.38 | zekorius | is it ok? |
| 22:50.34 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm, interesting. I am using /203 |
| 22:51.34 | sixwheeledbeast | zekorius: ok in what way? |
| 22:52.57 | zekorius | sixwheeledbeast: I made backup too late, and now some things doesn't work for me |
| 22:53.08 | sixwheeledbeast | correction /ssu/203 |
| 22:54.01 | zekorius | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100018 |
| 22:54.08 | zekorius | IDK how to fix it |
| 22:54.14 | zekorius | IDK what I were doing |
| 22:54.52 | zekorius | IDK if I'am able to fix this n900 myself but some packages are missing and apt-get update doesn't work, cssu update doesn't work either |
| 22:55.10 | sixwheeledbeast | firstly don't use apt |
| 22:55.54 | jonwil | My guess is you probably have a stuffed system and need to re-flash PR1.3 on there before installing CSSU on top of that and doing it properly. |
| 22:55.58 | jonwil | That's just a guess though. |
| 22:56.46 | sixwheeledbeast | It would appear you have the Nokia repos missing while updating to CSSU? |
| 22:57.25 | zekorius | missing packages are libtelepathy-qt4-0 libtpsession libgq-gconf0 qtm-maemo-metapackage libconninet0 |
| 22:57.42 | jonwil | Yes that sounds like you are missing the Nokia repos or something. |
| 22:58.29 | sixwheeledbeast | It's a lot to explain but I would suggest you start fresh. |
| 22:58.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ~jrtools |
| 22:58.56 | infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 22:59.07 | zekorius | is there good step by step instruction how to start fresh? |
| 22:59.48 | sixwheeledbeast | see the link above. |
| 23:01.36 | zekorius | sixwheeledbeast: thanks you, I'm going to read this tomorrow, now it's time to finally get some rest and sleep |
| 23:01.40 | zekorius | 1:00 |
| 23:02.30 | zekorius | good night/day wherever you are whatever hour you have |
| 23:02.31 | sixwheeledbeast | zekorius: Remove SIM > Flash (PR1.3) > Boot > Click recommended.install file > Click link to CSSU that should be it for the basic system. |
| 23:02.42 | sixwheeledbeast | gn is midnight here :) |
| 23:03.15 | sixwheeledbeast | oh also remove cherry. |
| 23:04.42 | sixwheeledbeast | You maybe able to repair what you have with installing "recommended.install" and update via HAM but I would start again myself. |
| 23:15.55 | Langoor | backupmenu is installed |
| 23:15.59 | Langoor | now making my first backup |
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