| 00:01.39 | trumee | ~ping |
| 00:01.39 | infobot | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 00:02.02 | trumee | ~ping |
| 00:02.02 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 00:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, DO NOT USE CSSU-DEVEL AS REPO! (unless you're a developer of a package you want to test there) IT **IS** BROKEN |
| 00:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | we should upload a package to cssu-devel that displays this text, the erases the complete device |
| 00:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | then* |
| 00:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm tempted to actually do |
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| 01:25.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably the root problem is CSSU-devel working like a repo at all. We should change each single package there in a way so you have to edit catalogs and add a new entry for each. Like, instead of "free" use "$packagename" |
| 01:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ust wonders where from users have the idea to add cssu-devel as catalog (and then, worse, do indiscriminate updates or install packages they don't know not thoroughly test status of). Wouldn't know where to find the repo settings needed for cssu-devel even if he planned to use it |
| 01:25.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | blames some tmo post |
| 01:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed replacing category(?) name ("free") by ${packagename} via a script on server sounds like an excellent idea to me. Serves exactly the purpose cssu-devel is meant for: allowing test of package installation from a repo, but only when the person installing it has explicitly opted to do so by filling in the "credentials" manually - not grouping packages into one catch-all procedure. And when some smartass makes a tool for automating |
| 01:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | that, we can change to ${packagename}_$(date) |
| 01:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | dynamically, I.E date of the day it gets accessed |
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| 03:14.22 | jonwil | Time to try some good old fashioned printf (or in this case fprintf to a log file) debugging to see whats going on with connui-statusbar-cellular :) |
| 03:30.39 | jonwil | slaps face |
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| 03:31.44 | jonwil | Helps if I actually make connui-cellular-status-item link to libconnui_cellular |
| 03:31.56 | jonwil | That would be why its crashing hildon-status-menu :P |
| 03:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<jonwil> Looks like we have another person who doesn't heed the warnings)) who? |
| 03:42.04 | jonwil | Someone posted on tmp |
| 03:42.06 | jonwil | tmo |
| 03:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sugh* |
| 03:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | i* |
| 03:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if the U/I/O typos are cause of keycap printing coming off |
| 03:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably should connect that M5500 keyboard and count the keystrokes per day, to estimate how many this shitty cheap kbd suffered in 9 months before it's basically worn out |
| 03:46.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or I write an app for counting ;-D ) |
| 03:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | might as well go into my kbd macro driver, as a feature |
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| 04:42.13 | KotCzarny | maybe cssu-devel should require a password? |
| 04:42.47 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | inlike using package-named category, a password won't fly since apt has no support for such stuff |
| 05:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then you bet isers will ignore any such passowrd-bound warnign once they registered, just like they forget about the warnings on wiki.maemo.org and everywhere |
| 05:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | warnings are totally pointless since you don't even really see which repo a package is from, in HAM |
| 05:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither in apt |
| 05:07.28 | freemangordon | besides that you have to explicitly enable cssu-develrepo |
| 05:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I find it quite difficult to find out even when I *want* to know which repo was pkg origin |
| 05:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yes, like any other repo, and obviously users do enable *all* repos they can get hold of |
| 05:08.31 | KotCzarny | https://debian-administration.org/article/513/Restrict_Access_To_Your_Private_Debian_Repository |
| 05:08.51 | freemangordon | so, the question is how to stop people making faults, right? |
| 05:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: pointless |
| 05:09.18 | KotCzarny | fmg, by educating the willing and slapping the unwilling |
| 05:10.04 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: feel free to propose a patch for HAM |
| 05:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 05:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | "please install this HAM to get a warning when you try to install something you shouldn't" |
| 05:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 05:11.01 | freemangordon | HAM is part of cssu |
| 05:11.13 | KotCzarny | actually that might work |
| 05:12.35 | KotCzarny | interestingly, it could even support ssh-key based auth (apt) |
| 05:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can SEE IT as if right before my eyes how this will work excellent |
| 05:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 05:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | alternative: drop cssu-devel |
| 05:13.22 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 05:13.44 | KotCzarny | or keep it private |
| 05:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it actually never made real sense |
| 05:13.57 | KotCzarny | people who would need it, would know enough how to enable it |
| 05:14.04 | KotCzarny | password-enabled or otherwise |
| 05:14.56 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: what is desktop OS you're using? |
| 05:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but to "fix" it, make category different for each package, so it doesn't pollute HAM "install" and apt-cache search with _all_ packages in that repo |
| 05:15.04 | Vajb | umm how could i run .sh script which needs to be root? I mean via alarmed? |
| 05:15.12 | freemangordon | sudo |
| 05:15.15 | KotCzarny | fmg, slackware, debian, win7 |
| 05:15.31 | Vajb | or is there a better way to sync files over wlan automagically? |
| 05:15.41 | KotCzarny | vajb: rsync |
| 05:16.21 | freemangordon | and which of them asks you "are you sure?" everytime you want to do something its creators think is unusual? |
| 05:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | cronjob? |
| 05:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~hrtools |
| 05:16.34 | Vajb | we have onedrive from school and i guess maemo is not supported, but i'd like to have files on my phone nevertheless |
| 05:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 05:16.37 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 05:17.22 | KotCzarny | fmg: hdparm, for example |
| 05:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#backup |
| 05:17.41 | Vajb | qrsync or just rsync? Or they depend of each other? |
| 05:17.51 | KotCzarny | qrsync is probably qt ui one |
| 05:18.01 | KotCzarny | to do things automatically you should prefer cmdline tools |
| 05:18.17 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: no, I was asking about OS, not a specific application |
| 05:18.24 | jonwil | Looks like I got another package in cssu-devel that doesn't work properly, maemo-launcher. |
| 05:18.27 | Vajb | yes id like it to sync over night while i sleep :) |
| 05:18.33 | jonwil | Stock works, the one in cssu-devel does not |
| 05:18.40 | KotCzarny | package updater is one of system applications |
| 05:18.43 | jonwil | the package isn't in cssu-testing or cssu-stable |
| 05:18.51 | freemangordon | jonor, it is as simple as you have proken SB installation |
| 05:18.57 | freemangordon | ops |
| 05:19.01 | freemangordon | jonwil: ^^^ |
| 05:19.57 | Vajb | hmm how come apt finds rsync, but ham does not? |
| 05:20.03 | KotCzarny | also, even simple apt-get install asks about confirmation |
| 05:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: because it's a cmdline tool |
| 05:20.18 | Vajb | is it such deep system level tool that it needs to be hidden from user? |
| 05:20.19 | KotCzarny | because rsync isnt user app |
| 05:20.31 | freemangordon | jonwil: that applet works with no problem on my "production" device since you pushed the code on github |
| 05:20.34 | Vajb | oh ok |
| 05:20.37 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: as HAM does |
| 05:21.02 | jonwil | Now that I solved my problem with maemo-launcher, I can resume testing connu-statusbar-internet :) |
| 05:21.08 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: also, you have you warnings when you enable additional repos |
| 05:21.08 | jonwil | I mean connui-statusbar-cellular |
| 05:21.41 | freemangordon | jonwil: what was the problem with maemo-launcher? |
| 05:22.09 | jonwil | syslog just says "maemo-invoker[1024]: died connecting to the launcher" for all programs using maemo-invoker/maemo-launcher |
| 05:22.24 | jonwil | no indication that maemo-launcher actually started |
| 05:22.29 | jonwil | Restoring the stock version made it start again |
| 05:22.40 | Vajb | do i need some rsync client for my pc as well? Any recommendable one for win7? |
| 05:23.02 | jonwil | and at this point whatever changes are in CSSU maemo-launcher aren't worth the effort to try and fix |
| 05:23.04 | freemangordon | jonwil: I still not get it why you need maemo-invoker/maemo-summoner to test a SEGFAULT/SIGABORT in hildon-status-menu |
| 05:23.16 | jonwil | its not a segfault |
| 05:23.32 | freemangordon | but? |
| 05:23.50 | KotCzarny | vajb: win7 will be server or client? |
| 05:24.11 | jonwil | In my case what happened is that it called some function in libconnui-cell.so but at that point libcunni-cell.so wasn't loaded into hildon-status-menu so it went off into space |
| 05:24.18 | Vajb | server |
| 05:24.33 | KotCzarny | then it might be a bit complicated |
| 05:24.59 | Vajb | i do all my tasks on it and wanna get copies to n900 |
| 05:24.59 | freemangordon | jonwil: doesn;t make sense to me, applets are loaded with dload, no? |
| 05:25.10 | jonwil | I dont know |
| 05:25.19 | jonwil | I just know it failed and I am about to test the fix |
| 05:25.26 | jonwil | where its now linking to libconnui-cell properly |
| 05:25.48 | Vajb | hmm technically i can use my devuan pc as well, but then i would need onedrive for devuan first |
| 05:25.51 | KotCzarny | vajb, i was using that one in the past: https://itefix.net/cwrsync |
| 05:26.28 | jonwil | Ok stopped hildon-status-menu with dsmectl so it wont bootloop if its still crashing |
| 05:26.38 | jonwil | now I installed new connui-statusbar-cellular package |
| 05:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: and why don't you use rsync (client) on win7 and "server" on N900? |
| 05:26.41 | KotCzarny | but you would have to run it in client mode (doesnt matter much for data though, just setup of the scripts) |
| 05:27.09 | KotCzarny | you dont even need specific server, just having sshd+rsync available on target machine |
| 05:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 05:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a goven on N900 |
| 05:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | given* |
| 05:28.09 | Vajb | oh i thought it should be otherway around since new files appear on laptop |
| 05:28.10 | KotCzarny | rsync is greatly configurable, which might be putting off at first, but then you will love it |
| 05:28.19 | KotCzarny | it can sync BOTH ways |
| 05:28.30 | KotCzarny | doesnt matter where is the server and client |
| 05:28.49 | Vajb | i have putty and winscp on win. R they enough? |
| 05:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | winscp sounds like it might work too |
| 05:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | just not as versatile as rsync |
| 05:32.55 | Vajb | ok |
| 05:33.16 | KotCzarny | by any chance, do you have cygwin installed on that windoze? |
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| 05:38.27 | jonwil | freemangordon: All I know is that when I got it into gdb, I stepped into the "call connui_cell_sim_status_register" instruction (first function from libconnui-cellular that it tried to call) and wandered off to who knows where. Then I saw it wasn't linked to libconnui_cell.so.0 when it should be. |
| 05:38.37 | jonwil | Now its linked to that library and I can carefully test it |
| 05:38.41 | Vajb | KotCzarny: no, do i need it too? |
| 05:39.19 | KotCzarny | vajb, nah |
| 05:40.01 | jonwil | it works :) |
| 05:40.09 | jonwil | Now I get to push it to cssu-devel since it works |
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| 05:44.46 | KotCzarny | vajb, anyway, rsync is great, but can cut like a knife if you play with it wrong |
| 05:45.21 | Vajb | so far i can't figure how to use it in win |
| 05:45.38 | Vajb | it just says the "command recogniced etc" |
| 05:46.15 | KotCzarny | full path? |
| 05:46.19 | KotCzarny | cd first? |
| 05:46.59 | KotCzarny | and always add -n (it will make it try to do, but dont do any file changes actually) |
| 05:47.06 | Vajb | even if im in the folder |
| 05:47.08 | KotCzarny | best for initial testings |
| 05:47.16 | KotCzarny | dir ? |
| 05:47.46 | Vajb | it says "all you need to do is update cwrsync.cmd and you should be able..." |
| 05:48.05 | Vajb | i click the file and nothing happens |
| 05:48.24 | Vajb | i try to run it on cmd promt and it whines "not recogniced..." |
| 05:48.33 | KotCzarny | dir ? |
| 05:49.38 | Vajb | hey it flies now |
| 05:49.46 | Vajb | lets see |
| 05:50.36 | KotCzarny | again, dont forget -n before you are ready and sure it will do what you expect |
| 05:52.19 | jonwil | ok, connui-statusbar-cellular is done and can go into CSSU-devel |
| 05:56.22 | Vajb | ok |
| 05:58.35 | jonwil | Now to figure out what to clone next |
| 05:59.39 | jonwil | But before I do anything, my battery is drained from all the rescueos work to get maemo-launcher fixed so I gotta charge that up and not otherwise touch my N900 :) |
| 06:00.29 | freemangordon | jonwil: connui |
| 06:01.06 | freemangordon | I have don some work already, can put it on github and share the db |
| 06:01.10 | KotCzarny | jonwil: swap battery and charge externally? |
| 06:01.21 | jonwil | I dont need to use my N900 in any case |
| 06:01.33 | jonwil | I have other stuff to do |
| 06:02.01 | jonwil | freemangordon: Do you mean libconnui? |
| 06:02.05 | freemangordon | yes |
| 06:02.53 | jonwil | Yeah share what you have and I may have a look. |
| 06:02.57 | freemangordon | ok |
| 06:07.00 | jonwil | Or I might look into the gconf keys, dbus things and etc used for the wlan subsystem (since there is an idea to replace the wlan system with something based on wpa_supplicant) |
| 06:07.26 | jonwil | The good news is that I now have a dead simple way to start wlan from rescueos and easily move files off and on the device should I need to :) |
| 06:07.53 | jonwil | and can easily install any .deb file I need to as well |
| 06:08.40 | freemangordon | jonwil: https://github.com/community-ssu/connui |
| 06:11.56 | freemangordon | jonwil: well, I'd really appreciate some help with connui and friends, there are about 500k of satellite libs |
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| 06:13.12 | freemangordon | jonwil: right now I am on ConnuiCellRendererOperator, so choose something else if you decide to help |
| 06:13.20 | jonwil | Ok. |
| 06:13.56 | jonwil | Have you completly finished all 3 .c files you have in there? |
| 06:14.06 | Vajb | goes well. From pc "source and destination can't be both remote" nd from n900 "connection timed out" |
| 06:14.17 | freemangordon | jonwil: almost |
| 06:14.35 | freemangordon | there is one or two more functions |
| 06:15.07 | KotCzarny | vajb: firewall? |
| 06:15.33 | KotCzarny | also, 'from n900' means it's started from n900? |
| 06:15.33 | freemangordon | jonwil: connui_scan_box_view_update_child is pending, but leave it to me |
| 06:15.42 | Vajb | i have working ssh connection from win scp |
| 06:15.55 | Vajb | yes KotCzarny |
| 06:16.06 | freemangordon | is going to work, bbl |
| 06:16.39 | KotCzarny | then run it from pc, rsync will connect with ssh to n900 |
| 06:17.05 | jonwil | Ok. |
| 06:17.34 | Vajb | but how come it whines that both cant be remote? |
| 06:18.05 | Vajb | i used rsync -a -n user@ip:/folder c:/folder |
| 06:18.12 | Vajb | at pc |
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| 06:20.07 | KotCzarny | maybe you need different syntax |
| 06:20.37 | KotCzarny | not c:/folder but /cygdrive/c/folder |
| 06:21.09 | KotCzarny | remember, it's *nix tool, running with emulation layer, not windoze one |
| 06:22.13 | Vajb | oh right it was told in the help file but i didn't understand... |
| 06:24.21 | KotCzarny | also, watch out for file owners/permissions, windoze keeps those in a weird way. fixable, but can bite you |
| 06:25.18 | KotCzarny | that's why it's best to test it on unimportant data first |
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| 06:33.08 | Vajb | failed to sync ssh |
| 06:33.28 | Vajb | ok i've had enough i have more urgent tasks |
| 06:33.36 | Vajb | thx for trying KotCzarny |
| 06:33.57 | KotCzarny | np :) |
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| 07:16.25 | Vajb | KotCzarny: solution found. I use Dsync to sync onedrive to local file and then winscp to sync that file manually :) |
| 07:16.46 | KotCzarny | so it's a single file? |
| 07:17.04 | Vajb | no it is cloud server containing all my school work |
| 07:17.12 | bencoh | Vajb: you can also rsync/unison between windows and phone, if needed |
| 07:17.29 | Vajb | bencoh: read from up how i failed |
| 07:17.36 | bencoh | hmm |
| 07:17.55 | bencoh | if you're referring to the connection timed out, I fail to see why scp would work but not rsync |
| 07:17.58 | bencoh | but ... alright |
| 07:18.22 | bencoh | ah, "both cannot be remote" |
| 07:18.35 | KotCzarny | bencoh, nope, not that one |
| 07:18.43 | Vajb | actually it narroved to "ssh not found" |
| 07:18.51 | bencoh | :] |
| 07:18.54 | Vajb | no not ssh |
| 07:18.56 | KotCzarny | vajb: cwrsync comes with ssh.exe included |
| 07:19.30 | KotCzarny | you probably didnt edit the .cmd correctly |
| 07:19.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:19.48 | Vajb | probably :/ |
| 07:20.13 | Vajb | i'll give it a go when i got tired to run winscp by hand |
| 07:20.42 | Vajb | might be that problem was that onedrive pretends to be folder but actually it is cloddrive |
| 07:20.46 | Vajb | cloud* |
| 07:21.12 | KotCzarny | try with local files first |
| 07:21.35 | Vajb | hmm actually tried that too |
| 07:21.46 | Vajb | now that u mentioned |
| 07:22.05 | KotCzarny | but since it has trouble finding ssh.exe i suspect you have missed some path variable |
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| 08:30.13 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 08:30.17 | Venemo | why am I getting this? |
| 08:30.23 | Venemo | from TMO: "Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist." |
| 08:30.30 | sixwheeledbeast | I see the cssu-devel thing a none issue, passwords or hidden repos defeat the point of it. People need to understand you don't just have all the repos and enable them. I have not read the thread so maybe it's a question not a complaint. It would be good to get back to devel/testing/stable QA |
| 08:30.45 | sixwheeledbeast | ~unbanip |
| 08:30.45 | infobot | somebody said unbanip was please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it |
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| 08:32.01 | Venemo | chem|st: ping |
| 08:32.06 | Venemo | thank you sixwheeledbeast |
| 08:32.39 | sixwheeledbeast | have you checked your IP on the site above? |
| 08:34.38 | Venemo | yes |
| 08:34.51 | Venemo | says: your public IP address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is in our database |
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| 08:41.46 | Venemo | not sure why though |
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| 14:42.20 | Vajb | i opened nokia barrel to micro-usb adapter. Multimeter is too big to fit in to connector, but there r 4 wires connected to the board. One is red the other is shiny black and then there r white and matte black cable in same slot. |
| 14:42.54 | Vajb | i will try to peel connector open to measure which ones they r |
| 14:43.58 | KotCzarny | dont forget to make photos/tmo thread |
| 14:44.45 | Vajb | i would, but i don't have imgur plugin to upload photos ;/ |
| 14:45.14 | KotCzarny | at least take the photos |
| 14:45.35 | KotCzarny | no blood tho |
| 14:50.50 | Vajb | think i'll use hack-saw to cut connector to half |
| 14:52.08 | KotCzarny | dont break the wires |
| 14:55.02 | KotCzarny | https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2205031.html |
| 14:55.09 | KotCzarny | translatable with google translate |
| 14:56.08 | KotCzarny | seems it's quite sophisticated little dongle |
| 15:05.56 | Vajb | yes surprising amount of circuitry. It seems that data pins r shorted |
| 15:12.19 | KotCzarny | someone measured that thingie, it can run from low to high voltage, giving 5V on output |
| 15:12.48 | KotCzarny | one could even connect 12 or 20V as input |
| 15:12.59 | bencoh | ? |
| 15:13.03 | bencoh | input to? |
| 15:13.13 | KotCzarny | to constant 5V on output |
| 15:13.43 | KotCzarny | it has major heat problems though |
| 15:14.11 | KotCzarny | bencoh, quite nice analysis page, throw the link into google translate |
| 15:19.50 | Vajb | yes it is same device. Data pins doesn't seem to be connected to circuit only gnd and plug body and + |
| 15:20.16 | KotCzarny | you can try measure the data wires on that end |
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| 18:11.08 | sixwheeledbeast | Seems polarcell have Li-ion and LiPo versions of the BL-5J |
| 18:11.33 | KotCzarny | not good, unless they have circuitry adjusting to that inside |
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| 19:00.57 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: wait, isn;t original bl5j li-ion? |
| 19:02.39 | sixwheeledbeast | yep |
| 19:03.05 | freemangordon | what is the idea behind li-po then? I don;t get it. |
| 19:03.14 | KotCzarny | newer tech |
| 19:03.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Obviously LiPo has some minor benefits but it is suitable for N900 |
| 19:03.21 | KotCzarny | similar to li-ion |
| 19:03.29 | KotCzarny | but not exactly the same |
| 19:03.36 | freemangordon | LiPo has lower energy density AFAIK |
| 19:03.46 | sixwheeledbeast | yes but more stable |
| 19:03.49 | KotCzarny | but afair longer life |
| 19:03.56 | freemangordon | about 15%? |
| 19:04.11 | freemangordon | anyway, I was just curious |
| 19:04.58 | sixwheeledbeast | For example polarcell BL-5J is 1400mAh Li-Po, whereas 1500mAh Li-ion |
| 19:06.42 | sicelo | i have the C.H.I.P ($9 board like RPi), and it supports charging Li-Po batteries. could i use Li-on? |
| 19:07.12 | KotCzarny | you have chip? you can probably try fmg's hildon-desktop and the rest |
| 19:07.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:07.13 | Wizzup | oh, I didn't know the polarcell was li-po |
| 19:08.15 | sicelo | KotCzarny: yes that's a good idea. i have two of them actually :) |
| 19:09.25 | sicelo | i don't have the LiPo battery, and it doesn't look like i can source them. but i got two from dead gps units, but they are Li-ion |
| 19:12.39 | sicelo | i don't want to risk an explosion, but if it's relatively safe to use them, that would be most helpful! |
| 19:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: you can stop slaughtering that adapter, I did that 4 years ago |
| 19:15.35 | bencoh | polarcell is lipo ?! |
| 19:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | the data pins ARE shorted |
| 19:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it has a buck converter |
| 19:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | to reduce input voltage to 5V |
| 19:16.56 | KotCzarny | doc, it's both |
| 19:17.02 | KotCzarny | buck and boost |
| 19:43.46 | sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: can i use a Li-ion battery on a device designed for a Li-Po battery? (same voltage, 3.7V) |
| 19:44.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: not to my knowledge, it stops charging at all with 4V input voltaga |
| 19:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | voltage* |
| 19:45.18 | KotCzarny | doc: check the page i've pasted (with google translate) |
| 19:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it was a boost or buck-boost it would go down lower, no? |
| 19:45.29 | KotCzarny | it stops charging because it overheats |
| 19:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL no it didn't |
| 19:45.59 | KotCzarny | with 250mA at output it goes with 2.8-20V as input providing 5V at output |
| 19:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 19:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong |
| 19:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | just quoting my own tests |
| 19:46.34 | KotCzarny | https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2205031.html |
| 19:46.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | which were pretty... cursory |
| 19:46.42 | KotCzarny | please see the discussion |
| 19:47.52 | KotCzarny | well, folks modify the circuit a bit |
| 19:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I'm not too interested in that thing |
| 19:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard Nokia stopped providing it since it started fires |
| 19:48.59 | KotCzarny | it did because of insufficient cooling |
| 19:49.19 | KotCzarny | anyway. sleepy time. |
| 19:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | my own tests shown it works on 5V and 4V5 of an unregulated PSU, but not on 3V |
| 19:49.30 | sicelo | i misplaced mine (that thing) |
| 19:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | 6V and 4V5 |
| 19:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the output of that shitty PSU was +30% of what it wrote in the selector switch |
| 19:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and N900 claimed "charging" but actually didn't |
| 19:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | the tests dated back in times before I had bq27k-detail script |
| 19:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or any decent lab gear |
| 19:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the dadashit shown in the page you linked is a mere boost converter so would expose the N900 to overvoltage on anything >6V attached to the converter input |
| 19:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I admit it looks exactly like the Nokia adapter |
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| 19:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | excellent find |
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| 20:47.59 | sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: Just to clarify polarcell have both Li-ion and Li-Po available, Nokia was Li-ion. |
| 21:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | KiIon and LiPo chemistry should be basically same |
| 21:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | LiIon* |
| 21:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 has LiIon, N810 has LiPo |
| 21:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | LiPo was the better LiIon a maybe 10 years ago, not anymore though |
| 21:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | while LiIon is a class of cell chemistry, LiPo is a particular detail of cell 'mechanics' |
| 21:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | technically LiPo is a LiIon I'd say |
| 21:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually there are several classes of LiIon |
| 21:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Materials |
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| 21:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery |
| 21:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The voltage of a LiPo cell depends on its chemistry and varies from about 2.7-3.0 V (discharged) to about 4.20 V (fully charged), for cells based on lithium-metal-oxides (such as LiCoO2),<< same basic cell chemistry as generic "LiIon" batteries with 3V7 nominal voltage |
| 21:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so LiIon Polymer and the common "LiIon" 3V7 are interchangeable |
| 21:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | beware of so called LiFePo (LFP, LiFePO4) they are neither "Polymer" nor same cell chemistry or voltage |
| 21:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make matters worse, some manufs don't list the nominal 3V7 but the max voltage 4V2 on their batteries |
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| 23:20.25 | sixwheeledbeast | Only applications I have seen LiFePo batteries is as expensive SLA replacements. |
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