| 00:00.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah wait, BM restore, so prolly a moot point |
| 00:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought you did system flashing |
| 00:03.37 | jonwil | What I did in order was:1.Flashed stock Fiasco. 2.Installed BM. 3.Restored my backup with incorrect clock. 4.Installed CSSU-T with incorrect clock. 4.Re-installed my BM backup with correct clock and now I am re-installing CSSU-T |
| 00:03.50 | jonwil | which will give me what I want :) |
| 00:04.25 | jonwil | Once I get CSSU- |
| 00:04.36 | jonwil | cssu-t installed I will be good to go I hope |
| 00:05.49 | jonwil | I think I will manually download any deb files from cssu-devel and install them with dpkg, that way I never worry about packages from that repo I dont want |
| 00:06.04 | jonwil | and dont risk getting whatever it was before that lead to the bootloop |
| 00:06.28 | jonwil | which |
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| 00:07.13 | jonwil | which was probably related to thumb stuff |
| 00:16.04 | jonwil | aha, its clock-ui that's the one to avoid |
| 00:21.25 | jonwil | It seems like clock-ui (the version in cssu-devel and the version in cssu Git) builds as thumb even on the non-thumb master branch. Not good. |
| 00:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: >>download any deb files from cssu-devel and install them with dpkg<< sounds like an excellent plan to me |
| 00:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch @ thumb build |
| 00:23.17 | jonwil | I suspect somehow that caused something to screw up re kernel or modules or both and that caused the problems with kernel modules unable to load and then boot issues |
| 00:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wird story but you know... computers ;-D |
| 00:24.09 | jonwil | I am going to talk to fmg about that clock-ui thumb problems :) |
| 00:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, please do |
| 00:24.21 | jonwil | its his fault anyway, he made the relavent commits :P |
| 00:24.48 | jonwil | cssu-testing clock-ui (whatever version that is) seems not to be affected I dont think |
| 00:25.14 | jonwil | otherwise a lot more people would have issues |
| 00:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | about cssu-devel actually you shouldn't *want* any of the packages from there. Packages are broken by definition as long as they are in cssu-devel |
| 00:26.18 | jonwil | I will be installing very select packages that are newer than cssu-testing based on things I know I want and know are safe enough to install |
| 00:26.27 | jonwil | e.g. I need newer maemo-security-certman |
| 00:26.33 | jonwil | and I need newer connui-home-cellular |
| 00:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, be prepared to help debug those then |
| 00:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as they are considered bug-free they should not stay in cssu-devel |
| 00:27.51 | jonwil | The problem is we have no-one to update cssu-testing |
| 00:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a problem in deed if it's true. what's with merlin1991? |
| 00:28.27 | jonwil | So there are a lot of newer versions that should be in cssu-testing but aren't |
| 00:28.38 | jonwil | And there are versions in git that should be in cssu-devel (or even cssu-testing) |
| 00:29.22 | jonwil | Quite a few of the packages I am going to install on top of CSSU-testing are packages I was running on my phone before I started down the whole CSSU journey |
| 00:29.26 | jonwil | so I know they are safe enough |
| 00:29.37 | jonwil | Some I will need to read changelogs of and make a decision there |
| 00:30.18 | jonwil | Anything I am not sure about wont get installed. |
| 00:33.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | just make sure you make BM backups to roll back |
| 00:38.17 | jonwil | Yeah |
| 00:46.11 | jonwil | Ok cssu-t is installed, now to do a BM backup and start installing more |
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| 02:55.33 | jonwil | ok, installed everything I want, now making one more BM backup before I call it done, reboot into Maemo, plug it into the charger and then leave it alone until its full again |
| 02:56.46 | jonwil | I didn't install anything that looked risky such as things having to do with bootup or modules |
| 02:56.53 | jonwil | to avoid any chance of a repeat of last time |
| 03:04.35 | jonwil | Or not, something I installed made some hildon package not start. Let me see what the story is |
| 03:05.16 | jonwil | probably something mis-compiled somewhere |
| 03:06.43 | jonwil | It gets as far as the set-time menu before not displaying h-d after that |
| 03:18.51 | jonwil | I know what I did wrong and how to fix it |
| 03:24.06 | jonwil | I suspect some of the more recent clones (e.g. hildon-plugins-notify-sv) aren't as stable as I have been lead to beleive |
| 03:24.13 | jonwil | Or they didn't compile properly on my box for some reason |
| 03:25.38 | jonwil | I know what I screwed up and I know what I need to do to unscrew it |
| 04:03.30 | jonwil | Time for one final BM backup and we are done |
| 04:05.05 | jonwil | It seems like some of the recent clones by FMG (the ones that aren't in cssu-devel at this point) aren't as safe as I thought they were |
| 04:06.12 | jonwil | well actually after this BM backup is finished, I got one more thing to do, copy said BM backup off the phone to my PC for safety |
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| 04:15.44 | jonwil | I just wanted to thank everyone on here for whatever help may have been given when it came to getting my phone going again. |
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| 05:21.45 | jonwil | Without the great people in this community the N900 wouldn't be anywhere near as great a phone. |
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| 19:27.45 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: are you around? |
| 19:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:28.10 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Amazing -- and great |
| 19:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | long time no see |
| 19:28.21 | rhombus | Indeed |
| 19:28.31 | rhombus | I see you found a communications person |
| 19:28.34 | rhombus | how is that working out? |
| 19:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, come ci come ca´ |
| 19:29.42 | rhombus | I'm not sure how to interpret that :) |
| 19:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | always need more help |
| 19:31.13 | rhombus | Is that person not following through on their commitments? |
| 19:32.49 | rhombus | Anyway, I'm here primarily because -- don't freak -- I haven't flashed my N900 yet. |
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| 19:33.18 | rhombus | I tried reading through the log of our last conversation on this topic where you suggested lazyflashing |
| 19:33.38 | rhombus | I haven't done this yet because I wanted to back up the phone first, and it's not really clear how that works, either. |
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| 19:35.41 | rhombus | Also -- I have the phone connected as a USB mass storage device to my system right now, and I can't find Nokia N900 directory where I have my Notes files saved |
| 19:36.14 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: did you step away from the computer? I hear that sometimes people actually need to use the toilet. But I think that's just a rumour. |
| 19:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB mass storage only exports MyDocs/ but not ~user/ |
| 19:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~BM |
| 19:38.18 | infobot | methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 19:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | does backup everything except MyDocs |
| 19:39.26 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: so I should reconnect and choose PCSuite instead? |
| 19:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so suggested procedure: install BM, do a backup to MyDocs/backups/foobar, then copy ;yDocs to PC via mass storage |
| 19:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively do BM backups to a uSD card |
| 19:42.10 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: I don't get it, though, the last time I connected to the phone I was able to copy over my files, now I all I see is the DCIM directory with some photos in it |
| 19:42.35 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Also... how do I get root privileges? |
| 19:42.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rootsh |
| 19:42.46 | infobot | methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/, or <ShadowJK> rootsh gives you "sudo gainroot", to get root privs but user environment (similar as "su"), and "root", which gives you root privs root env (similar to "su -") |
| 19:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | via Application mamager |
| 19:43.43 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: That's how I install things, is it? |
| 19:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | high level hints: |
| 19:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 19:44.15 | infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:49.31 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry for all the questions. Do I have to install BM via WLAN? Or can I copy it onto the phone via the USB mass storage connection? |
| 19:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Use WLAN internet, click http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install in N900 browser |
| 19:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 19:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's an expert way to download the needed *.dpkg files and install them using dpkg -i <file> but that's not recommended |
| 19:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | also you need root for that ;-D |
| 19:53.13 | rhombus | yeah, I'm still really confused about where stuff is and how this all works, I don't want to brick the phone |
| 19:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | err well, *maybe* not, you probably could locate the files in microB browser under file://... and click on them |
| 19:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you cannot brick the N900 |
| 19:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | *impossible* |
| 19:54.42 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Really? I read somewhere that if certain files are deleted, then it can't be charged and you can't connect or some such |
| 19:54.49 | rhombus | it looked like an ominous warning |
| 19:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case you could nuke your MAC and BT MAC addr etc |
| 19:55.29 | rhombus | ok, well that's reassuring :) |
| 19:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | only if you do *very* bizarre things, for which you need root anyway ;-) |
| 19:55.55 | rhombus | Ok, I am trying to load BM and it's saying "mirror, read WARNING!) |
| 19:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. you shouldn't run nandtest |
| 19:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ignore that |
| 19:56.17 | rhombus | what is muarf.org? |
| 19:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | a repo replacing dead Nokia |
| 19:56.31 | rhombus | ah |
| 19:56.51 | rhombus | so I can select "add" and proceed? |
| 19:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:57.16 | rhombus | I had to do it four times |
| 19:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, probably adds four new repos |
| 19:57.41 | rhombus | "Installation wird vorbereitet, bitte warten" -- crazy |
| 19:57.44 | rhombus | I see a progress bar |
| 19:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | that will take ages now |
| 19:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | then even longer without any progress bar... WAAAAIT! |
| 19:58.32 | rhombus | Ok, the progress bar is now about halfway through |
| 19:58.38 | rhombus | three quarters |
| 19:58.47 | rhombus | 99 % |
| 19:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might take up to 15 minutes |
| 19:58.57 | rhombus | oh, it's cycling |
| 19:59.14 | rhombus | Now I just see the Application Manager main screen |
| 19:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~soeedyham |
| 19:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 19:59.23 | infobot | hmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. |
| 19:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 19:59.30 | infobot | cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 19:59.44 | rhombus | you anticipate many questions |
| 20:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 20:00.11 | infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:00.33 | rhombus | I looked at jrtools but to be honest it was a bit cryptic to me |
| 20:00.36 | rhombus | what I want to do is |
| 20:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM is finished when it shows meaningful content and not just an empty screen |
| 20:00.51 | rhombus | 1. back up my phone. I have loads of short messages and contacts that I want to save. |
| 20:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | for contacts and msgs use "backup" app from applicationsmenu |
| 20:01.26 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: I see the App Manager main screen with "Uninstall" and "Download" and "Update". Is that meaningful content? :) |
| 20:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | click on "uninstall" and type "rootsh" |
| 20:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | should show up -> close the screen |
| 20:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | close HAM |
| 20:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | open xterm |
| 20:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | type "root" |
| 20:03.00 | rhombus | ok, I'm doing a backup through the native tool first |
| 20:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 20:03.16 | rhombus | There's also my calendar, if I lose that, I'm screwed |
| 20:03.29 | rhombus | ok, backup complete, 3.5 MB saved |
| 20:03.44 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: How do I get the backup off the phone? |
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| 20:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it asked you where to backup to, no? |
| 20:05.35 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: um |
| 20:05.40 | rhombus | to... |
| 20:05.44 | rhombus | Backups |
| 20:05.49 | rhombus | whereever that is :) |
| 20:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | on eMMC |
| 20:06.10 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: that's internal memory? |
| 20:06.42 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: ok i didn't see rootsh in the installed applications |
| 20:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 20:07.10 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: I interrupted the BM install because I wasn't sure that I need it if I've got a backup of my communications etc. |
| 20:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 20:07.32 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: was that a mistake? |
| 20:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | try finding rootsh in HAM "install" |
| 20:07.58 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: App Manager is checking updates :/ |
| 20:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 20:08.16 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: It does that automatically, yes? |
| 20:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | once a week |
| 20:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | per default, iirc |
| 20:08.45 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: so I browse the HAM using the internal browser? |
| 20:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | adjustable |
| 20:09.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you open HAM and click on "install" |
| 20:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | err "Download" |
| 20:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever |
| 20:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you use kbd and type "rootsh" |
| 20:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it starts a incremental search |
| 20:10.08 | rhombus | ah, ok -- is HAM what it's called with an English interface? |
| 20:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hildon application Manager |
| 20:10.25 | rhombus | Ah |
| 20:11.00 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: I think I have a small problem here |
| 20:11.18 | rhombus | when I select "Download" it churns and I get a blank screen |
| 20:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes ages |
| 20:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaaait |
| 20:11.36 | rhombus | ah, ok |
| 20:11.44 | rhombus | as long as I know I have to wait I'm fine waiting :) |
| 20:12.01 | rhombus | my screen blanks quickly. Will it wake up when it's done? |
| 20:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually it *will* come up with icons |
| 20:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 20:12.18 | rhombus | by "blank" I mean goes dark |
| 20:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | use slider screen or shuft key to light it up again |
| 20:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | slider key** |
| 20:12.57 | rhombus | Now it says "Program list partially updated. Some catalogs are not available. Verify catalog details." |
| 20:13.18 | rhombus | Ah, those are the old Nokia catalogs |
| 20:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | can you dismiss this dialog? |
| 20:13.32 | rhombus | Nokia Apps, Nokia system updates and Ovi |
| 20:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you should deactivate them |
| 20:13.45 | rhombus | How do I do that? |
| 20:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | not now ;-) |
| 20:13.56 | rhombus | ah, ok |
| 20:13.57 | rhombus | LOL |
| 20:14.09 | rhombus | I see a screen with a bunch of categories now |
| 20:14.27 | rhombus | Education, Office, Development, etc |
| 20:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you eventually go to HAM's menu, select "catalogs" and click on the 3 defect ones, a new rewuester opens that has a "deactivate" button or the like |
| 20:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | click "all" |
| 20:15.04 | rhombus | right, I saw the catalogs button |
| 20:15.21 | rhombus | ok, clicked all. |
| 20:15.24 | rhombus | lots of stuff here |
| 20:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | type rootsh |
| 20:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | after "roo" you should already see it |
| 20:16.29 | rhombus | got it |
| 20:16.30 | rhombus | installing |
| 20:16.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 20:16.52 | rhombus | yay |
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| 20:17.16 | rhombus | it is downloading 1 GB |
| 20:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHAT? |
| 20:17.32 | rhombus | or it seems that way at least, it is very slow |
| 20:17.43 | rhombus | sorry, 1 KB :P |
| 20:18.03 | rhombus | but the progress bar is inactive. What's up with that? |
| 20:18.10 | rhombus | Is it supposed to be this slow? |
| 20:18.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ignore it |
| 20:18.36 | rhombus | installing! |
| 20:18.50 | rhombus | 1 application successfully installed! Hooray! |
| 20:19.11 | rhombus | ok, so now I can get root if I need it. |
| 20:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | test it |
| 20:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | open xterm; root<enter>; id<enter> |
| 20:21.02 | rhombus | Success! |
| 20:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 20:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | step1 accomplished |
| 20:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | disable catalogs now |
| 20:21.23 | rhombus | ok, so I was right that I need root, correct? |
| 20:21.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need root for a lot of the more funny stuff, yes |
| 20:21.59 | rhombus | ok |
| 20:22.10 | rhombus | So for the catalogs, all I have to do is select "deactive", correct? |
| 20:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | also disbale maemo-extras-devel catalog |
| 20:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's enabled |
| 20:22.51 | rhombus | it says... (*DOOM!*) |
| 20:22.58 | rhombus | I'm afraid to touch it |
| 20:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | My joke |
| 20:23.06 | rhombus | phew |
| 20:23.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 20:23.27 | rhombus | I have to wait for HAM to update the app list |
| 20:23.36 | rhombus | This is like waiting for the bus |
| 20:23.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 20:23.43 | infobot | well, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. |
| 20:23.57 | rhombus | so I can install speedyham now, right? |
| 20:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should install CSSU |
| 20:24.13 | rhombus | oh right |
| 20:24.18 | rhombus | but I should flash the phone first, no? |
| 20:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:24.55 | rhombus | ok, I disabled maemo-extras-devel catalog |
| 20:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you know the phone has a working untampered system |
| 20:25.30 | rhombus | it is updating again at incredible spee- er, I mean incredible slow |
| 20:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | in which case you could go CSSU right away |
| 20:25.48 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: no, I have no idea whether the system is untampered |
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| 20:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | then reflash |
| 20:25.59 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: in fact, I am a bit ashamed I waited this long to flash it |
| 20:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing |
| 20:26.03 | infobot | from memory, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 20:26.11 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: I was just too busy :/ which is a stupid excuse |
| 20:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, isn't |
| 20:26.29 | rhombus | ok, so all I have to do is enter that one single command, and it does the whole flash routine? |
| 20:26.34 | rhombus | What happens to my backup? |
| 20:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | your backup should be safe unless you flash 'all' which I don't recommend. You should copy the backup to PC via mass stoage |
| 20:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or actually, you should do flash "all" |
| 20:28.17 | rhombus | that was also my intuition |
| 20:28.23 | rhombus | how do I get the backup to mass storage? |
| 20:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and NEVER keep USB mass stoare attached while doing backup, or take photos or whatever |
| 20:28.54 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: I tried to mount the phone but it failed because the HAM was open |
| 20:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't find the backup, odds are you already had USB mass sto enabled during backup |
| 20:29.42 | rhombus | let me mount the phone again first before I guess |
| 20:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | in mass storage mode basically you must not use the phone at all |
| 20:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | umplug, reboot, do backup, plug and select "mass storage", find backup in mass stoarge |
| 20:30.29 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: ok |
| 20:30.46 | rhombus | I just mounted the phone and all I see is a DCIM directory and "System Volume Information" |
| 20:31.01 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Ah, sorry |
| 20:31.06 | rhombus | I missed your last message |
| 20:31.20 | rhombus | unplug, reboot, do backup |
| 20:31.21 | rhombus | got it |
| 20:31.28 | rhombus | I haven't rebooted in ages |
| 20:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | mass sorage umounts the MyDocs from N900 system so it has no access to that volume anymore as long as mass sto active |
| 20:32.23 | rhombus | right |
| 20:32.25 | rhombus | makes sense |
| 20:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse: the phone doesn't notice that |
| 20:32.34 | rhombus | I just held down the power button |
| 20:32.38 | rhombus | the LED went white |
| 20:32.43 | rhombus | now the phone is unresponsive |
| 20:32.50 | rhombus | I presume that means it is off |
| 20:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaait |
| 20:32.51 | rhombus | :) |
| 20:32.59 | rhombus | ok! |
| 20:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it takes 20s to really shut off |
| 20:33.17 | rhombus | very cunning, this phone |
| 20:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the press power buttin until white light all brught |
| 20:33.40 | rhombus | it does all sorts of automatic and crazy shit, as though it has a mind |
| 20:34.01 | rhombus | ok, I think that was 20 s |
| 20:34.02 | rhombus | or 40 |
| 20:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a full linux system just like your PC (I hope) |
| 20:34.13 | rhombus | ;-) |
| 20:34.28 | rhombus | Linux thinkpad_T500 4.9.16-gentoo #1 SMP Sun Jul 9 16:49:15 CEST 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 20:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 20:34.54 | rhombus | I do not use toy operating systems |
| 20:35.19 | rhombus | except at work, where I am forced to (ugh) |
| 20:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it booted? |
| 20:35.52 | rhombus | Now I see an adult taking the hand of a small child |
| 20:36.00 | rhombus | weird |
| 20:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | krrhrrhrr |
| 20:36.19 | rhombus | ok |
| 20:36.23 | rhombus | phone booted |
| 20:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dontpanic |
| 20:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 20:36.43 | rhombus | let me wipe the last backup and redo it |
| 20:36.43 | sicelo | nokia pedophile :p |
| 20:36.51 | rhombus | lol |
| 20:37.01 | rhombus | "come with me, I have candy" |
| 20:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/bootvideo-DONTPANIC/ |
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| 20:37.41 | rhombus | very nice |
| 20:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | see ~jrtools how to use it |
| 20:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for shameless self-hyping |
| 20:39.45 | xy2_ | rhombus: you should probably update gentoo-sources btw.. |
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| 20:41.17 | rhombus | xy2_: why is that? these were still current at the last update |
| 20:41.38 | rhombus | xy2_: but they are not anymore, I just noticed |
| 20:41.41 | rhombus | :) |
| 20:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | announces afk in a few minutes |
| 20:42.27 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: ok, hang tight, I just had to go to the door for a second |
| 20:42.38 | rhombus | Can you stick around a few minutes while I do the flash? |
| 20:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 20:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you hurry |
| 20:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but GET YOUR BACKUP first! |
| 20:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | to your PC |
| 20:43.22 | rhombus | yes |
| 20:43.31 | rhombus | I am redoing the backup as we speak |
| 20:43.35 | rhombus | or type |
| 20:43.45 | rhombus | backup complete |
| 20:44.02 | rhombus | ok, so now mount the USB mass storage? |
| 20:44.35 | rhombus | Ah, now I can see my shit again! |
| 20:44.41 | rhombus | It pays to reboot, it appears |
| 20:45.31 | sicelo | wpa2 broken it seems, http://www.blackhat.com/eu-17/briefings/schedule/#key-reinstallation-attacks-breaking-the-wpa2-protocol-8861 |
| 20:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it pays ti unplug USB massrage when doing stuff on phone |
| 20:46.14 | rhombus | But I wasn't doing anything on the phone when I first connected |
| 20:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: hooray, finally¡¡ |
| 20:46.31 | rhombus | I couldn't see all the storage |
| 20:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a jiccup |
| 20:47.01 | rhombus | a jiccup, exactly what I was thinking |
| 20:47.18 | rhombus | ok, I have copied the backup over to my PC |
| 20:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | lazyflashing "all?YES" |
| 20:47.35 | rhombus | now disconnect, yes? |
| 20:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:47.48 | rhombus | *working* |
| 20:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | then run lazyflashing and follow instructions. Already shutdown phone |
| 20:48.19 | rhombus | Already shutdown phone? |
| 20:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:48.29 | rhombus | Oh, you mean I've done that step already |
| 20:48.41 | rhombus | aren't I supposed to remove the SIM? |
| 20:48.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you should do it |
| 20:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:48.52 | rhombus | ah, you mean shutdown phone now? |
| 20:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:49.13 | rhombus | shutting down now |
| 20:49.19 | rhombus | ~lazyflashing |
| 20:49.19 | infobot | i guess lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 20:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait 20s, then remove SIM and battery |
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| 20:50.17 | rhombus | opening this phone is an art |
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| 20:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile lazyflashing should show instructions, right? |
| 20:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is it still downloading? |
| 20:52.05 | rhombus | um, I haven't turned the phone back on yet |
| 20:52.12 | rhombus | had trouble getting the SIM out |
| 20:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't!!! |
| 20:52.26 | rhombus | ahhh |
| 20:52.31 | rhombus | sorry, totally confused |
| 20:52.45 | rhombus | I run the lazyflashing on my PC! |
| 20:53.02 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry! |
| 20:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | bp :-) |
| 20:53.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | np even |
| 20:53.57 | rhombus | I need to change this command as I don't have sudo |
| 20:54.17 | rhombus | I use su exclusively |
| 20:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 20:55.11 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: where is it calling sudo? |
| 20:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the c&p commadline |
| 20:55.50 | rhombus | sorry, blind today |
| 20:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can spit that up into two lines |
| 20:56.19 | rhombus | Welcome to N900 flasher tool v3.1! |
| 20:57.44 | rhombus | so I answer YES? |
| 20:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will proceed downloading the images |
| 20:58.04 | rhombus | if you want to flash your homedir and MyDocs too (aka eMMC flashing), answer 'YES' |
| 20:58.08 | rhombus | I want this, yes? |
| 20:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | to flashh all, you answer YES |
| 20:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, a last question |
| 20:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did backup your stuiff via BM niw? |
| 20:58.53 | rhombus | uh oh: maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:59.10 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: no, I didn't. Should I? I just used the native backup tool |
| 20:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have contacts and msgs etc via regualar backup, but you may want a complete system backup too, just in case |
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| 20:59.54 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: ok, so I need to start the phone up again and install BM |
| 21:00.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you do already? |
| 21:00.26 | rhombus | install BM? |
| 21:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 21:00.48 | rhombus | no :/ |
| 21:00.54 | rhombus | I didn't think I needed it just now |
| 21:01.27 | rhombus | start HAM |
| 21:01.30 | rhombus | started HAM |
| 21:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | if not, then yes. start up phone, and click the link in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 21:02.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure BM installs cleanly via HAM |
| 21:02.17 | rhombus | oh |
| 21:02.18 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:02.25 | rhombus | so I do it via the browser then |
| 21:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | gas dependency issues from fuckedup catalogs |
| 21:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | has* |
| 21:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | so http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ |
| 21:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got a uSD? |
| 21:03.59 | rhombus | yes |
| 21:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | easier to save the BM file to uSD |
| 21:04.33 | rhombus | huh? Server not found error? |
| 21:05.38 | rhombus | now it works, hang on |
| 21:06.30 | rhombus | ok, I clicked BM.install and now suddenly HAM is in the foreground |
| 21:06.32 | rhombus | is that normal? |
| 21:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile, you may want to use the manager of choice on your gentoo to find and install libusb-0.1.so |
| 21:06.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | 32 bit!! |
| 21:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:07.13 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Doesn't lazyflasher include a library? |
| 21:07.22 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: There's a libusb lib in the directory |
| 21:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does, but might not work ion your system. It's a *really nasty* bitch |
| 21:07.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | botch too |
| 21:07.50 | rhombus | :/ |
| 21:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may try, but no guarantee |
| 21:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | defer it! |
| 21:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | err postpone |
| 21:08.37 | rhombus | postpone? |
| 21:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | later |
| 21:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it works |
| 21:09.00 | rhombus | the libusb update, you mean? |
| 21:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:09.13 | rhombus | ah, ok |
| 21:09.32 | rhombus | BM is downloading |
| 21:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 21:09.44 | rhombus | "installing" |
| 21:09.55 | rhombus | A zillion WARNING!s |
| 21:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it installed, you reboot the phone with kbd slider opened |
| 21:09.59 | rhombus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ignore and nod off |
| 21:10.28 | rhombus | ooh, set new root password |
| 21:10.35 | rhombus | I didn't know I had an old root password |
| 21:11.19 | rhombus | is it asking me for the system root password? |
| 21:11.32 | rhombus | what has that got to do with BM? |
| 21:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 21:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly installs sshd |
| 21:12.30 | rhombus | now I see a giant README |
| 21:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM has a virtual machine of sorts, with useful tools like ssh and whatnot |
| 21:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's way more than just a backup tool |
| 21:13.09 | rhombus | ok, so I turned off the phone |
| 21:13.11 | rhombus | slider is open |
| 21:13.16 | rhombus | now I wait 20-30 s |
| 21:13.19 | rhombus | and restart |
| 21:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:13.21 | rhombus | with slider open |
| 21:13.45 | rhombus | "Loading BOOT MENU" |
| 21:13.48 | rhombus | wow |
| 21:13.52 | rhombus | totally retro |
| 21:14.04 | rhombus | this is like the screen on a 286 |
| 21:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it actually is, also technically |
| 21:14.55 | rhombus | really!? |
| 21:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | save all to uSD, no compression |
| 21:15.24 | rhombus | so now I choose option b, right? "Create a backup" |
| 21:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it writes to framebuffer char by char using a tool to draw chars there |
| 21:15.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sounds good |
| 21:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to attach USB charger if at hand |
| 21:16.20 | rhombus | what? it doesn't see my µSD! |
| 21:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's weird |
| 21:16.39 | rhombus | m) Backup to internal eMMC, MyDocs |
| 21:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you closed battery lif? |
| 21:16.48 | rhombus | ah... no :( |
| 21:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | lod* |
| 21:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn!!!! |
| 21:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | LID |
| 21:17.27 | rhombus | does that matter? |
| 21:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sire :-) |
| 21:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | uSd gets umounted on battery lid open |
| 21:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | close lid and reboot |
| 21:18.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, afaik no way to restart bootmenu |
| 21:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may try though if you find a key for it |
| 21:18.42 | rhombus | and here I thought I was being clever |
| 21:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 has lots of "funny" surprising details like that |
| 21:19.56 | sicelo | it can reboot though (BM) |
| 21:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 21:20.13 | rhombus | I rebooted |
| 21:20.15 | rhombus | it was very fast |
| 21:20.22 | rhombus | I noticed the arrow keys are backwards |
| 21:20.28 | rhombus | ok, I... |
| 21:20.31 | rhombus | I think I did the backup |
| 21:20.33 | rhombus | is it that fast? |
| 21:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 21:20.43 | rhombus | I just pressed s, and now I have the same screen again |
| 21:21.03 | rhombus | ah, ok |
| 21:21.05 | rhombus | now it's running |
| 21:21.11 | rhombus | Guys, this is amazing |
| 21:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | this will take a while |
| 21:21.27 | rhombus | I got this phone for 35 euros and I'm really starting to love it |
| 21:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | iir ca 10 minutes |
| 21:21.42 | rhombus | :( |
| 21:21.50 | rhombus | you probably want to go to bed |
| 21:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, I wish I could |
| 21:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile, test lazyflashing: run flash-it-all.sh |
| 21:23.27 | rhombus | I ran it |
| 21:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will tell you if the lob works or not |
| 21:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | lib |
| 21:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | verbatim |
| 21:24.25 | rhombus | hang on, I'll pastebin the output |
| 21:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir_v2/flash-it-all.sh |
| 21:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, old crap |
| 21:25.26 | rhombus | https://pastebin.ca/3888082 |
| 21:25.44 | rhombus | backup completed successfully |
| 21:25.50 | rhombus | yay |
| 21:25.53 | rhombus | now what? |
| 21:26.09 | rhombus | is a question machine |
| 21:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is fine |
| 21:26.39 | rhombus | Do I reboot the phone normally now? |
| 21:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | now you wait until your backup finished, then you ... follow the instructions |
| 21:27.29 | rhombus | which ones? In backup menu? |
| 21:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> please remove battery from N900, then plug N900 to a primary (non-hub) USB jack of this PC. Then insert battery which should result in this script continuing... << |
| 21:27.38 | rhombus | Oh, those |
| 21:28.30 | rhombus | ok, so the output I pastebinned looked ok? |
| 21:29.00 | rhombus | Is it safe to just try this? The phone is off, I've removed the battery, and the USB cable is connected |
| 21:29.41 | rhombus | There are errors like: modprobe: FATAL: Module cdc_phonet not found. |
| 21:29.57 | rhombus | checksum errors... |
| 21:31.43 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Ok, I set LANG=C and the integrity checks succeeded |
| 21:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ignore all that, the pasted log is 100% fine |
| 21:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | #38 image files found and checked OK for integrity. |
| 21:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | #17 no local file RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or checksum incorrect. Trying to fetch... |
| 21:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | #20 resuming... |
| 21:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | #23 RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: OK |
| 21:34.27 | rhombus | ah, ok |
| 21:34.43 | rhombus | So now I just insert the battery |
| 21:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, after plugging it to USB |
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| 21:35.28 | rhombus | shit is happening |
| 21:36.07 | rhombus | Erasing CMT - scary |
| 21:36.46 | rhombus | Programming CMT - hopeful |
| 21:36.56 | jonwil | It may seem scary but its perfectly safe |
| 21:37.12 | jonwil | I did a flash yesterday on my own N900 and it worked just fine |
| 21:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | is rather fond of lazyflashing ;-P |
| 21:37.40 | rhombus | Image(s) flashed successfully in 29.262 s (8746 kB/s)! |
| 21:37.46 | rhombus | HOORAY |
| 21:38.40 | rhombus | initializing system |
| 21:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually almost proud of it |
| 21:38.49 | rhombus | yellow LED |
| 21:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | follow the instructions ;-) |
| 21:39.24 | rhombus | so far only Blinkenlights |
| 21:39.37 | jonwil | Its pretty much impossible to kill a N900 through software alone |
| 21:39.38 | rhombus | My phone has turned into KITT |
| 21:39.51 | rhombus | jonwil: sounds like smart design to me |
| 21:39.56 | jonwil | If its doing the scrolling dots, that's a good thing |
| 21:40.04 | rhombus | Music! |
| 21:40.09 | rhombus | And the pedophile is back! |
| 21:40.15 | jonwil | Yeah it should play the Nokia hands animation |
| 21:40.37 | rhombus | "Knight Rider" |
| 21:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, now proceed as tersely listed in first few lines of ~jrtools |
| 21:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | just first let it boot all the way to desktop |
| 21:41.19 | rhombus | whoops, I pressed First Steps |
| 21:41.26 | rhombus | :/ |
| 21:41.31 | rhombus | ~jrtools |
| 21:41.31 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 21:42.26 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: So now I open the internal browser and go to the recommended.install URL? |
| 21:42.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install and http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 21:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | in CSSU first thing recommended is to install VM (again :-D ) |
| 21:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM* |
| 21:44.18 | rhombus | right |
| 21:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't do "Additional Repositories" for now! |
| 21:44.56 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:45.16 | rhombus | ok, it's starting HAM |
| 21:46.01 | rhombus | I fat fingered stop, but I don't think it took |
| 21:46.22 | rhombus | how do I know it worked? |
| 21:46.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | check catalogs |
| 21:46.30 | rhombus | I see the HAM main screen again |
| 21:46.34 | rhombus | what should I see? |
| 21:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | disable the Nokia & OVI broken ones |
| 21:47.09 | rhombus | I'm trying again |
| 21:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | check that replacements (muarf) are in place |
| 21:47.25 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | delete duplicate catalogs |
| 21:48.07 | rhombus | ok, no duplicates |
| 21:48.13 | rhombus | old Nokia cats deactivated |
| 21:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | run "update catalogs" OWTTE from menu |
| 21:49.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it should do that automatically as soon as you leave the catalogs dialog |
| 21:49.27 | rhombus | yes |
| 21:49.42 | rhombus | This CSSU install seems more involved, do I have to do this now? |
| 21:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's not really involved, just exact instructions |
| 21:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's just two clicks |
| 21:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | pus BM install |
| 21:50.35 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:50.38 | rhombus | I'm installing BM again |
| 21:51.47 | rhombus | "installation being prepared. please wait" |
| 21:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw thanks for testing and verifying libusb botch working on gentoo :-D |
| 21:52.16 | rhombus | No worries :P |
| 21:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | gave me quite a few headaches pondering if I really should try such terrible hack at all |
| 21:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but hey, seems to work |
| 21:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | in CSSU don't miss on the second step! |
| 21:54.10 | rhombus | this seems slower than the last time |
| 21:54.20 | rhombus | I'm still installing BM |
| 21:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's clearly explained in instructions, just follow those verbatim |
| 21:54.43 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:54.52 | rhombus | ok, progress bar movement |
| 21:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest CSSU-testing |
| 21:55.58 | rhombus | is that a catalog? |
| 21:56.03 | rhombus | or a version of CSSU? |
| 21:56.12 | rhombus | oh, I get it |
| 21:56.13 | rhombus | sorry |
| 21:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, one of two obe-click options on CSSU webpage |
| 21:56.21 | rhombus | ok, BM installed |
| 21:56.30 | rhombus | do I have to do another backup now? |
| 21:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 21:56.43 | rhombus | what a relief |
| 21:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should do a backup after you restored the standard backup and rootsh etc |
| 21:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflashing rootfs and installing BM then restoring a backup is way easier than the whole repo fixing and rootsh installation and whatnot else |
| 21:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | in case you need it to recover a fsckup device |
| 21:59.07 | rhombus | ok |
| 21:59.10 | rhombus | right |
| 21:59.23 | rhombus | will my GPS work after all this is done? |
| 21:59.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | should |
| 21:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when you insert a SIM, which helps a lot with GPS |
| 22:00.12 | rhombus | Why is that? |
| 22:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps |
| 22:00.17 | infobot | RRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP |
| 22:00.36 | rhombus | ah, right, I'd heard about that |
| 22:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and |
| 22:00.42 | rhombus | but that's not really GPS :) |
| 22:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~u-tdoa |
| 22:00.47 | infobot | rumour has it, u-tdoa is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA |
| 22:01.37 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: ok, where is the Community SSU icon? |
| 22:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, part of RRLP is a control layer service similar to SUPL |
| 22:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: hm? |
| 22:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | for CSSU step2 or for starting CSSU? |
| 22:02.38 | rhombus | Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. |
| 22:02.48 | rhombus | Step 7 :) |
| 22:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah 2 aja 7 |
| 22:03.41 | rhombus | Is the app menu where all the apps are? :) |
| 22:03.49 | rhombus | I don't see a Community SSU icon |
| 22:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should be there in applications menu. *sometimes* the system doesn't update the menu, then ist's probably easiest to reboot. Though... I didn't do CSSU install since ages, so maybe we should ask Pali |
| 22:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: does CSSU now autstart "step 7: Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. "? |
| 22:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: you're aware you can scroll the app menu? |
| 22:05.38 | Pali | CSSU should do it, but do not know if stable, testing or only devel |
| 22:05.44 | rhombus | yes |
| 22:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: so we urgentrly need to fix the instructions |
| 22:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no? |
| 22:06.31 | rhombus | So should I reboot? |
| 22:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait |
| 22:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm at the limit of my solid knowledge here |
| 22:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: how would user check if step-7 got accomlished? |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: did HAM install a lot of package updates already? |
| 22:08.56 | rhombus | Didn't seem like it |
| 22:09.04 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: how can I check? |
| 22:09.12 | jonwil | You can check in settings app |
| 22:09.30 | jonwil | If CSSU is installed there will be a new icon for "about CSSU" |
| 22:09.33 | jonwil | or something similar |
| 22:09.42 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: 7. Once this is completed, close HAM and you should see in few seconds new terminal window. If not tap the Community SSU icon in the application menu. In terminal window will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up. |
| 22:09.44 | jonwil | Don't have my N900 next to me to check exactly what its called |
| 22:10.12 | rhombus | jonwil: nope, don't see it. In which section would it be? |
| 22:10.29 | jonwil | Sounds like you dont have CSSU yet |
| 22:10.33 | jonwil | and need to go open the icon |
| 22:10.33 | rhombus | Pali: DocScrutinizer05 ok, the clearly something didn't work here |
| 22:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sounds good |
| 22:10.44 | rhombus | jonwil: there is no icon |
| 22:10.46 | rhombus | anywhere |
| 22:11.00 | jonwil | No "Community SSU Enabler" icon in app list? |
| 22:11.06 | jonwil | even when you scroll down? |
| 22:11.09 | jonwil | That seems strange |
| 22:11.11 | rhombus | jonwil: no |
| 22:11.20 | Pali | do you have installed needed package? |
| 22:11.27 | Pali | that cssu enabler package |
| 22:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ - reboot? |
| 22:11.49 | rhombus | I followed Step 5 in the instructions, HAM started, it did some stuff, then it was done and I closed HAM as per the instructions |
| 22:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: he followed instructions on CSSU |
| 22:11.57 | Pali | reboot is needed after everything is installed, reboot is not needed between 6 and 7 step |
| 22:12.03 | jonwil | rhombus: Do you see a yellow exclamation mark in the status menu at the top of the screen? |
| 22:12.21 | Pali | so try reboot and then open HAM and check for updates |
| 22:12.26 | Pali | ... and wait and wait |
| 22:12.32 | Pali | sometimes also wait for 20 minutes... |
| 22:12.48 | Pali | until update check for update procedure finish |
| 22:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we already established that :-) |
| 22:13.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | will change with speedyham :-) |
| 22:13.11 | rhombus | Is this something I can proceed with tomorrow? |
| 22:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather suggest to finish it now |
| 22:13.32 | rhombus | jonwil: no, no yellow exclamation mark |
| 22:13.38 | jonwil | Ok. |
| 22:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a very messy state right now |
| 22:13.46 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: 20 min is a long time |
| 22:13.47 | rhombus | ok |
| 22:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it didn't take 20 min for you |
| 22:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just the catalog updates |
| 22:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM |
| 22:14.30 | rhombus | rebooting |
| 22:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: my guess is: it tried automatic step7, failed, and thus didn't run postinst that has hildon-appicons-update or whatever the name |
| 22:15.48 | Pali | then there must be icon in menu |
| 22:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, after hildon home(?) updated its cache |
| 22:16.28 | Pali | icon in menu is missing only if: 1) enabler package is not installed or 2) cssu metapackage is installed (correctly with all dependences) |
| 22:16.55 | Pali | if 1) is truth, then install CSSU again via wiki page |
| 22:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's that friggin cacje, so what you see isn't always what's installed |
| 22:17.22 | Pali | if 2) is truth then in settings dialog in about cssu must be cssu version string |
| 22:17.35 | rhombus | ok, rebooted, started HAM and checking for updates |
| 22:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | check for CSSU enabler icon! |
| 22:18.04 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: where? |
| 22:18.08 | Pali | in menu |
| 22:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | in app menu |
| 22:18.17 | rhombus | I did, there was nothing there |
| 22:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS |
| 22:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody fucked up CSSU enabler |
| 22:19.13 | rhombus | "No updates available" |
| 22:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ how to fix that now? |
| 22:19.20 | Pali | install CSSU again |
| 22:19.25 | Pali | via wiki page |
| 22:19.38 | Pali | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 22:19.39 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1536914#post1536914 |
| 22:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: unrelated, no? |
| 22:20.35 | jonwil | What do you mean unrelated? |
| 22:21.14 | rhombus | now the wiki page won't load |
| 22:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this helping rhombus to get CSSU installed |
| 22:21.22 | jonwil | No |
| 22:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: loads fine gere |
| 22:22.06 | rhombus | It loads fine on my PC, it does not load on my N900 |
| 22:22.17 | rhombus | and I have an active WLAN connection |
| 22:22.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | here* - I hope it's not a problem with maemo system |
| 22:22.33 | Pali | sometimes browser stuck |
| 22:22.42 | Pali | close and open it again |
| 22:22.53 | Pali | or maybe wifi connection is a problem? |
| 22:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: do other arbitrary sites load? |
| 22:23.17 | Pali | n900 has only 2.4GHz b/g wifi |
| 22:23.21 | rhombus | closing the browser |
| 22:23.31 | rhombus | restarted browser -- now it loads |
| 22:23.37 | rhombus | man, this is flaky |
| 22:23.37 | Pali | but today is more common 2.4GHz n or 5GHz |
| 22:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 22:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: you're unmidst a massive system reconfiguration |
| 22:24.15 | rhombus | went to testing link, HAM is starting |
| 22:24.23 | Pali | so sometimes is hard to debug problems with wifi, which is working fine on 802.11n or 5GHz, but on on 802.11g on 2.4GHz |
| 22:24.23 | rhombus | progress bar "preparing installation" |
| 22:24.51 | rhombus | ... it did the same thing |
| 22:24.59 | Pali | what exactly? |
| 22:25.11 | rhombus | zoomed through three progress bars, now I see the HAM main screen and nothing is happening |
| 22:25.17 | Pali | wait |
| 22:25.39 | Pali | ham is sometimes slow and need to wait 5 minutes |
| 22:25.48 | Pali | once you clicked on install icon on WIKI page |
| 22:26.04 | Pali | you should get info from HAM that you are going to install 3rd package |
| 22:26.14 | rhombus | Pali: but it's not doing anything anymore... it shows me the main screen and is doing nothing |
| 22:26.15 | Pali | and you need to click on some accept button |
| 22:26.19 | rhombus | no and no |
| 22:26.31 | rhombus | There is no accept button, no query screen, nothing |
| 22:26.36 | rhombus | just the standard three HAM icons |
| 22:26.38 | Pali | so wait in ham screen |
| 22:26.42 | rhombus | ok |
| 22:26.49 | Pali | it is doing some background task |
| 22:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | we *need* ntifications there |
| 22:27.09 | Pali | I saw ham very slow and once I waited 20 minutes |
| 22:27.12 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: it would be helpful |
| 22:27.24 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: we can deliver update for HAM just in CSSU |
| 22:27.37 | Pali | so notification there would be after installing CSSU... |
| 22:27.40 | Pali | but that is too late |
| 22:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, wrap them around HAM |
| 22:27.43 | rhombus | If there's no feedback, how is the user supposed to know whether the process is done or not? |
| 22:27.55 | Pali | blame Nokia :-( |
| 22:28.06 | rhombus | ok -- finally! Now I get the install screen! |
| 22:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | open the notifier before starting HAM |
| 22:28.14 | Pali | freemangordon, already fixed that slow HAM... and update is part of CSSU |
| 22:28.32 | rhombus | 1 program successfully installed |
| 22:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOOD! |
| 22:28.44 | rhombus | checking updates |
| 22:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait |
| 22:29.16 | jonwil | So yeah we need to figure out who has access to CSSU-devel and CSSU-testing and figure out a way forward (I can do the work to upload things for it but we need whoever has all the needed access to make decisions about what should happen) |
| 22:29.30 | Pali | wait until HAM finished everything and after that close it |
| 22:29.32 | jonwil | I have no idea who has access to CSSU-devel and CSSU-testing |
| 22:29.45 | Pali | jonwil: that is question for merlin1991 |
| 22:29.59 | jonwil | Ok. |
| 22:30.27 | Pali | he is admin of cssu |
| 22:30.37 | Pali | and iirc has all rights for cssu repos |
| 22:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:32.13 | rhombus | ok, now I see the HAM main screen AND I have a flashing yellow exclamation mark in the status bar |
| 22:32.29 | rhombus | Can I close HAM now? |
| 22:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ |
| 22:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: chack app menu |
| 22:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't close HAM |
| 22:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yet |
| 22:33.10 | Pali | check if you have cssu icon in menu |
| 22:33.17 | rhombus | Yes, I see it |
| 22:33.22 | Pali | if you have it, then close HAm and open that icon |
| 22:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 22:33.34 | rhombus | What's the yellow exclamation mark about? |
| 22:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | pending update |
| 22:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 22:34.14 | rhombus | Opened enabler |
| 22:34.18 | rhombus | shit is now happening |
| 22:34.25 | rhombus | holy shit |
| 22:34.28 | rhombus | serious shit |
| 22:34.33 | rhombus | lots of shit |
| 22:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka "The Real Thing" :-) |
| 22:34.55 | rhombus | and now it's waiting for headers, oh my god! |
| 22:35.12 | Pali | it is just normal apt-get update |
| 22:35.14 | rhombus | 94%... come on come on come on come on |
| 22:35.22 | Pali | you have not seen debian yet? |
| 22:35.37 | rhombus | what is this apt-get |
| 22:35.47 | rhombus | I last tried Debian in 1999 |
| 22:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the real installer |
| 22:35.52 | rhombus | that was enough |
| 22:35.55 | Pali | ~apt |
| 22:35.55 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is a stuild bot, said by Cotulla |
| 22:36.01 | Pali | ~apt-get |
| 22:36.01 | infobot | rumour has it, apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me ... |
| 22:36.20 | Pali | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_(Debian) |
| 22:36.32 | rhombus | sorry, for a Gentoo user for 15 years, that rings hollow |
| 22:36.38 | rhombus | more shit is happening |
| 22:36.51 | rhombus | HAM is loading again |
| 22:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 22:37.15 | Pali | yes, HAM is now started again and would update rest of system |
| 22:37.17 | rhombus | churning |
| 22:37.32 | rhombus | And this will take 47 min, I take it? |
| 22:37.46 | Pali | so just wait until it show you screen for installing/updating packages |
| 22:37.58 | jonwil | How long it takes depends on (among other things) the download time to download everything it needs to pull |
| 22:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | wich in turn depends on your internet |
| 22:38.39 | Pali | and number of all packages in all Maemo repositories... |
| 22:38.41 | rhombus | is it safe to plug the phone in to charge it? The battery is very low |
| 22:38.46 | Pali | yes |
| 22:38.50 | Pali | plug charger |
| 22:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely |
| 22:38.58 | jonwil | Yes its safe to plug it into the wall charger while its flashing |
| 22:39.03 | jonwil | I mean updating |
| 22:39.05 | jonwil | not flashing |
| 22:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | WALL CHARGER, not PC |
| 22:39.19 | Pali | it is *unsafe* to not use charger when updating :-) |
| 22:39.54 | Pali | now all actions are done via HAM |
| 22:40.02 | rhombus | Ok, now I see a screen with a package list and a button "Update all" |
| 22:40.13 | Pali | yes, update all |
| 22:40.19 | Pali | I hope you do not need me anymore, so I'm going offline |
| 22:40.20 | Pali | bye |
| 22:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ta & n8 |
| 22:40.33 | *** join/#maemo Smily (~SmilzOrg@ip5f5bf6ca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 22:40.44 | rhombus | Pali: thank you |
| 22:40.55 | rhombus | Pali: I also hope I do not need you anymore :) |
| 22:42.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | we really should clone this pal |
| 22:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 22:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: once HAM is done (you prolly can leav device on charger over night) you should check cataligs once more, making sure there are no duplicates and no maemo-devel or -testing enabled, then do another BM backup and start having fun, maybe by restoring your backup of contacts etc |
| 22:46.18 | rhombus | ok... so this can run overnight? |
| 22:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think so. Make sure it's charging |
| 22:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E look at the system try battery icon if it's animated |
| 22:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | tray* |
| 22:47.55 | rhombus | it did notify me it was charging when I plugged it in |
| 22:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 22:48.16 | rhombus | Thank you for your help Jörg |
| 22:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | locking scren with side slider switch you should see amber flashing LED |
| 22:48.49 | rhombus | Yes, I see that |
| 22:49.06 | rhombus | That turned out to be quite a bit less simple than it appeared, I don't think that would have gone very well if I had tried it alone |
| 22:49.18 | rhombus | It certainly would have taken about five times as long |
| 22:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | so tomorrow you will find a charged battery (green LED) and either HAM finished update or it opened a requester with warning to nod off |
| 22:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and heads over to TV |
| 22:53.22 | rhombus | Thanks |
| 22:53.26 | rhombus | again |
| 22:55.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | one last generic advice for today: *always* do a backup before doing any restory of old backups, so you don't overwrite valuable data by restoring the backup |
| 22:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | restore* |
| 22:57.06 | rhombus | ok |
| 22:57.19 | rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: I'm not sure how you mean that |
| 22:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | immediately before doing a restore, make a new backup of the old (possibly broken or incomplete) state of your system |
| 22:58.36 | rhombus | just in case? |
| 22:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:58.52 | rhombus | (I notice the clock has stopped -- is that expected behaviour?) |
| 22:59.16 | rhombus | The update list has cleared and the progress bar is full |
| 22:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, not really |
| 22:59.35 | rhombus | Device is being restarted |
| 22:59.41 | rhombus | A tone! |
| 22:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | clock might stop until some event happens that tells clock that somebody is looking at it |
| 23:00.01 | rhombus | Right |
| 23:00.05 | rhombus | Vibration |
| 23:00.09 | rhombus | Nokia logo... |
| 23:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no audio? |
| 23:00.39 | rhombus | "Knight Rider - A shadowy flight into the world of a man... who does not exist" |
| 23:00.43 | rhombus | Ok |
| 23:00.47 | rhombus | Clock works again |
| 23:00.50 | rhombus | Desktop |
| 23:00.57 | rhombus | "Operating system updated successfully" |
| 23:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 23:01.15 | rhombus | Sorry, my question of the night |
| 23:01.17 | rhombus | Now what? |
| 23:01.31 | rhombus | Catalog check in HAM? |
| 23:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, then backup |
| 23:01.47 | rhombus | with BM |
| 23:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, then rootsh |
| 23:02.17 | rhombus | no duplicate catalog |
| 23:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | then BM backup |
| 23:02.24 | rhombus | Install rootsh first, then backup |
| 23:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and maybe you also want to install sshd? |
| 23:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't live without logging in to system via WiFi&ssh |
| 23:04.18 | rhombus | Sure, why not |
| 23:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM ->openssh iirc |
| 23:04.34 | rhombus | Installing BM does that automatically though |
| 23:04.43 | rhombus | as a dependency |
| 23:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, only for BM VM |
| 23:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 23:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure |
| 23:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's already installed then you won't find it in HAM "install" / "all" |
| 23:05.38 | rhombus | installing OpenSSH client and server |
| 23:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also install bash right away, can't stand that messybox |
| 23:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | also you want to take care of "cherry", see ~jrtools |
| 23:07.30 | rhombus | yeah, I saw that, but didn't understand what it was about |
| 23:07.33 | rhombus | I have to delete file? |
| 23:07.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about a compulsory SMS the system sends to Nokia |
| 23:07.56 | rhombus | what is the difference between bash4 and bash4-opt? |
| 23:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | bfc |
| 23:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no* |
| 23:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs |
| 23:08.26 | infobot | #maemo pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 23:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, optified http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash4-opt/ |
| 23:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification |
| 23:09.11 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 23:09.45 | rhombus | so I want this, yes? |
| 23:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | though i never bothered, my root still has a plenty 30 or 40MB free |
| 23:10.41 | rhombus | ok, bash4-opt, openssh client and server, and rootsh are installed. Now I do the backup with BM |
| 23:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 23:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to write it to uSD |
| 23:11.16 | rhombus | right, as I did the last time |
| 23:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is considered safe |
| 23:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't reflash uSD |
| 23:11.39 | rhombus | ok |
| 23:12.02 | rhombus | whoops, the phone spontaneously restarted after I shut it off |
| 23:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, you were busy and pressed button twice |
| 23:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it had a hiccup, happens sometimes |
| 23:12.53 | rhombus | Well, not intentionally |
| 23:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you have charger plugged in :-D |
| 23:13.06 | rhombus | yes |
| 23:13.14 | rhombus | ok, now it is "off", I think |
| 23:13.26 | rhombus | should I do this backup without the charger connected? |
| 23:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mater really |
| 23:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd recommend to keep it charging |
| 23:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | also iirc BM screen backlight is brighter when on charger |
| 23:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the normal version, I patched mine |
| 23:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | is old and needs bright screen always |
| 23:15.52 | rhombus | ha |
| 23:15.54 | rhombus | so do I |
| 23:16.55 | rhombus | whoops, forgot to install BM |
| 23:17.01 | rhombus | ? |
| 23:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know |
| 23:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 23:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 23:17.52 | infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install |
| 23:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | check catalogs after doing so |
| 23:18.11 | rhombus | Oh right, I have to install it with the URL |
| 23:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you booted with slider open though |
| 23:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | might just not have noticed the open slider |
| 23:18.43 | rhombus | I did, it didn't work |
| 23:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait a second |
| 23:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ls -la /boo* |
| 23:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16648 2015-06-27 13:05 /bootmenu.sh |
| 23:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't have that when BM not installed |
| 23:20.32 | rhombus | I'm installing it now |
| 23:20.42 | rhombus | I must have missed that step |
| 23:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't miss checking your catalogs after installing BM,it enables a few nasty ones |
| 23:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least duoblettes |
| 23:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *each* catalog takes its time (minutes) in HAM ipdate |
| 23:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-devel even can break your system when running "update all" in HAM while it's enabled |
| 23:23.38 | rhombus | WARNING WARNING ============ WARNING etc. |
| 23:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, much of that is from I2Ctools package and genuine upstream |
| 23:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | we didn't remove those warnings |
| 23:24.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | though they might not really apply to N900 |
| 23:25.37 | rhombus | ok, in BM |
| 23:26.15 | rhombus | backing up |
| 23:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it give an ETA? |
| 23:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and is your clock correct? it's not mandatory but useful especially in backups |
| 23:27.36 | rhombus | It was off by about 12 min (fast) |
| 23:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't matter :-) (except for GPS) |
| 23:28.18 | rhombus | RootFS backup complete |
| 23:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sonds weird but verified |
| 23:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | OPTfs how much? |
| 23:30.07 | rhombus | done |
| 23:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 23:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | fast |
| 23:30.29 | rhombus | I don't have much stuff |
| 23:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 23:30.39 | rhombus | wouldn't that explain it? |
| 23:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:30.44 | rhombus | ok |
| 23:30.46 | rhombus | so |
| 23:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | restore contacts et al |
| 23:30.59 | rhombus | now I can reboot and restore my contacts, right? |
| 23:31.04 | rhombus | hehe |
| 23:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 23:31.45 | rhombus | here comes the pedo again |
| 23:31.57 | rhombus | Desktop |
| 23:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | pedo? aaah |
| 23:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe get DONTPANIC! and again, no sound with shakehands videio? |
| 23:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that would be slightly worrisome |
| 23:33.05 | rhombus | no, there was sound |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah ok |
| 23:33.18 | rhombus | How do I get my backup back onto the phone? |
| 23:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | backup app: restore |
| 23:33.54 | rhombus | but the backup is gone from the phone |
| 23:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I use konqueror and sftp://IroN900 for that |
| 23:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may use scp or... ass rage mode |
| 23:35.08 | rhombus | can't I just copy the folder onto my Nokia N900 mount? |
| 23:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your uSD |
| 23:36.11 | rhombus | man, I hope my Notes got backed up! |
| 23:36.54 | rhombus | oh no |
| 23:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you can plug it into PC USB, enable assrage, copy file to destination it been before (the destination you also find your backup you will just have done according to my recommendation), then UNPLUG USB(!!!) to stop assrage and make volume available to system again, then restore |
| 23:37.42 | rhombus | ok |
| 23:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or worst case you find all the data in BM's tarball you did as vackup before you reflashed |
| 23:38.12 | rhombus | right |
| 23:38.17 | rhombus | phew |
| 23:39.09 | rhombus | the program list is part of the backup |
| 23:39.14 | rhombus | I don't want to restore that, do I? |
| 23:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in *opt*.tgz in (/home)/user/...* |
| 23:39.28 | rhombus | right |
| 23:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you don't |
| 23:39.50 | rhombus | and settings? |
| 23:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you might want to restore them, or not. Depends on ,,, what you want |
| 23:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | they include stuff like system name, WLAN settings etc iirc |
| 23:41.08 | rhombus | Oh -- okay, I want those |
| 23:41.25 | *** join/#maemo cyteen (~cyteen@230.178.93.209.dyn.plus.net) |
| 23:41.34 | rhombus | restoring |
| 23:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you do a backup first? |
| 23:41.55 | rhombus | but I just did a backup |
| 23:42.05 | rhombus | how many backups do i have to do? |
| 23:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, since the restore will nuke recent stuff |
| 23:42.37 | rhombus | I haven't done anything except install packages, and after that I did a backup with BM |
| 23:42.51 | rhombus | I interrupted the restore now |
| 23:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | B; != hildon backup |
| 23:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM* |
| 23:43.29 | rhombus | yeah, but why do I need to do a Hildon backup on a system that is empty? I don't get it |
| 23:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's possible but comlicated to extract just settings, or just contacts from a BM backup |
| 23:44.22 | rhombus | But... the phone was just flashed |
| 23:44.28 | rhombus | there was nothing on it |
| 23:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for good measure, since it's always done that way ;-) |
| 23:44.41 | rhombus | ok |
| 23:45.11 | rhombus | ok, well, this time it's just superfluous |
| 23:45.27 | rhombus | I'm doing another restore, the interruption meant the settings were lost |
| 23:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. I assume you already got a new WLAN config, that might not be identical (though you prolly know it is) to the one in backup |
| 23:46.01 | rhombus | it should be the same |
| 23:46.18 | rhombus | but I also had other WLAN configs (work, etc.) that I would like to get back |
| 23:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about root passwords, they are most likely not even saved |
| 23:46.43 | rhombus | ok, the settings worked, the phone is silent |
| 23:46.48 | rhombus | and my contacts are back |
| 23:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sire, go ahead. Just keep it in mind |
| 23:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure* |
| 23:47.21 | rhombus | and all my messages |
| 23:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | next time you might want to do a backup first ;-) |
| 23:47.40 | rhombus | my notes are gone though |
| 23:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | notes? |
| 23:48.00 | rhombus | The N900 notes app |
| 23:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it installed? |
| 23:48.10 | rhombus | yes |
| 23:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, weird |
| 23:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a stock app, no? |
| 23:48.44 | rhombus | the notes are saved in the documents directory though, I don't think the Hildon backup tool saves that (which is stupid if you ask me) |
| 23:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 23:49.23 | rhombus | ok, I will have to get them from the BM backup |
| 23:49.28 | rhombus | but that can wait until tomorrow |
| 23:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM is a plain tarball |
| 23:49.48 | rhombus | but I want to do one more thing and test the GPS |
| 23:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix cherry first |
| 23:50.10 | rhombus | oh right |
| 23:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a oneliner |
| 23:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 23:50.25 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 23:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | touch /home/user/.cherry_state |
| 23:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | saves you a SMS fee if nothing else |
| 23:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, I wonder if CSSU already fixed that |
| 23:51.51 | rhombus | Should there be a Bash terminal app if I have installed bash? |
| 23:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | xterm |
| 23:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | `bash` |
| 23:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I do |
| 23:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | chsh is dangerous |
| 23:53.09 | rhombus | xterm? |
| 23:53.19 | rhombus | Is that the same as X Terminal? |
| 23:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | others reported success, but there were also bootloops when changing user's shell (NOT root's shell, weird enough) |
| 23:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:54.05 | rhombus | Where do I change the settings for it? |
| 23:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so my messybox hustory hasonly one command: bash |
| 23:54.35 | rhombus | oh, you just enter 'bash' as a command |
| 23:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may do `chsh bash` or the like, but... needs more love to get the syntax etc right, and as stated it's dangerous |
| 23:55.16 | rhombus | ok, I touched the .cherry_state file |
| 23:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:55.22 | rhombus | is that all I have to do? |
| 23:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure, prolly yes |
| 23:55.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cherry |
| 23:55.49 | infobot | well, cherry is http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 23:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | imsert SIM, make sure your clock is (or gets) set correctly, test GPS. |
| 23:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a liblocation-test app somewhere, pretty useful |
| 23:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | location-test-gui |
| 23:59.26 | rhombus | ok, sim is in, restarting |
| 23:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/location-test-gui/ |