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| 07:42.13 | badcloud- | has anyone managed to boot latest kali? |
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| 09:02.19 | badcloud- | or any latest distro for that matter |
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| 09:03.33 | badcloud- | *latest version of distro I mean |
| 09:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | heard nothing recently |
| 09:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | except maemo devuan |
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| 09:24.46 | badcloud- | DocScrutinizer05: thanks |
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| 09:34.01 | Wizzup | \o |
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| 11:42.23 | jonwil | I have just bought a "unviersal Li-Ion charger" and according to the LCD display on the thing, one of my 3 N900 batteries is currently charging. YAY. |
| 11:42.57 | Wizzup | nice, those are useful |
| 11:44.19 | jonwil | Yeah with any luck it will fill my battery up to the point that it has enough juice that nolo will allow flasher to see the phone and I can do some fixing... |
| 11:44.47 | Wizzup | but the usb port is still fubar right? |
| 11:44.50 | Wizzup | did you open it up to look? |
| 11:44.51 | jonwil | I dont think it is |
| 11:44.56 | jonwil | It might not be |
| 11:45.05 | jonwil | I wont know until |
| 11:45.11 | jonwil | until I actually try it |
| 11:45.58 | jonwil | The fact that when I have it plugged into USB and then put in the battery I get a very dim NOKIA logo that has a USB icon for about 2s that then vanishes suggests the port isn't as broken as I thought |
| 11:47.34 | Wizzup | better fix it in place while you can :) |
| 11:58.51 | KotCzarny | i hope i was right about your batteries to be flat |
| 11:58.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:05.27 | buZz | jonwil: woooooooot |
| 12:05.33 | buZz | :) |
| 12:05.48 | jonwil | Ok Flasher can see the phone now. YAY. |
| 12:05.52 | buZz | \o/ |
| 12:05.59 | buZz | cake and alcohol all round |
| 12:06.30 | KotCzarny | jonwil: hehe, remember you were saying that all your batts are fine? |
| 12:06.38 | KotCzarny | tried 3! |
| 12:06.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 12:09.46 | jonwil | RescueOS is open |
| 12:12.30 | jonwil | And I am now going to run chargebat script in rescueos and let the actual N900 hardware charge my battery until it wants to stop |
| 12:14.53 | jonwil | mean time lets use that external charger on another battery |
| 12:16.40 | Wizzup | eyes his hildon-desktop powered allwinner tablet |
| 12:25.52 | sicelo | Wizzup: model? |
| 12:26.05 | Wizzup | some inet thing, |
| 12:26.09 | Wizzup | http://www.plaisio.gr/tablet/tablets/tablets-all/Turbo-X-Twister-16GB-Mauro-Tablet-7-WiFi.htm |
| 12:26.16 | Wizzup | br |
| 12:26.17 | Wizzup | b |
| 12:31.59 | freemangordon_ | sixwheeledbeast: hi, do you remember the name we choose for the new maemo release last time we discussed it? |
| 12:33.07 | KotCzarny | miko? |
| 12:33.19 | KotCzarny | miho |
| 12:33.23 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: no, I think it was Kona |
| 12:33.28 | freemangordon_ | but I am not sure |
| 12:33.28 | KotCzarny | ah, right |
| 12:33.33 | KotCzarny | remembered 4 letters |
| 12:33.36 | KotCzarny | just didnt know which |
| 12:34.57 | KotCzarny | you sure dont want willie-willie ? |
| 12:35.34 | freemangordon_ | yes, sure :D |
| 12:39.33 | freemangordon_ | Oroshi will be it |
| 12:39.43 | freemangordon_ | any objections? |
| 12:40.07 | KotCzarny | missed letters? |
| 12:40.27 | freemangordon_ | hmm? |
| 12:40.37 | freemangordon_ | ah |
| 12:40.56 | freemangordon_ | well, it is not needed to be in sequental order |
| 12:41.20 | freemangordon_ | example scirocco diablo fremantle harmattan |
| 12:45.57 | freemangordon_ | ok, no objections accepted from now on - https://github.com/maemo-oroshi |
| 12:46.33 | KotCzarny | no name with uan at the end? |
| 12:46.53 | freemangordon_ | no |
| 12:47.06 | KotCzarny | Tehuantepecer |
| 12:47.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 12:47.16 | freemangordon_ | wtf is that? |
| 12:52.40 | KotCzarny | A violent squally wind from north or north-northeast in the Gulf of Tehuantepec (south of southern Mexico) in winter. It originates in the Gulf of Mexico as a norther which crosses the isthmus and blows through the gap between the Mexican and Guatamalan mountains. It may be felt up to 100 miles out to sea. See also PAPAGAYO |
| 12:55.16 | freemangordon_ | Wizzup: like what? |
| 12:55.27 | Wizzup | one sec. |
| 12:56.57 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: I am not sure I will be able to pronounce it. sounds more like Eyjafjallajökull |
| 12:57.01 | Wizzup | well, just, something not japanese |
| 12:57.01 | freemangordon_ | :D |
| 12:57.06 | Wizzup | let me ask a few people from finland |
| 12:57.11 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 12:57.24 | freemangordon_ | why Finland? |
| 12:57.37 | Wizzup | nokia? |
| 12:57.51 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 12:57.53 | Wizzup | I mean |
| 12:58.00 | Wizzup | I don't want to dictate anything, just asking |
| 12:58.05 | Wizzup | I don't care much, just preference for not japanese |
| 12:58.19 | freemangordon_ | I am fine either ways, as soon as it sounds tasty :D |
| 12:58.58 | freemangordon_ | oroshi sounded like a kind of sushi, thus I liked it ;) |
| 13:01.32 | parazyd | lol |
| 13:01.58 | Wizzup | we could go the openwrt name, find an alcoholic drink |
| 13:02.11 | Wizzup | s/name/way/ |
| 13:03.31 | Wizzup | laiva ? |
| 13:04.23 | freemangordon_ | what is that? |
| 13:04.27 | Wizzup | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/laiva |
| 13:05.08 | freemangordon_ | this is not a wind |
| 13:05.34 | freemangordon_ | what about Lodos or Leste |
| 13:05.45 | Wizzup | no, but it fits in the 'burning ship' |
| 13:05.46 | Wizzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.53 | KotCzarny | The Oroshi wind which causes unpredictable damage |
| 13:06.01 | KotCzarny | Maf\u016b (\u9b54\u98a8 lit., devilish wind, 1853) |
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| 13:06.22 | Wizzup | ok.. how about... |
| 13:06.28 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: pidgin cannot read what you wrote :) |
| 13:07.05 | freemangordon_ | Wizzup: lets continue that tradition using wind names |
| 13:07.11 | Wizzup | tazmania |
| 13:07.45 | freemangordon_ | isn;t that island? |
| 13:07.58 | freemangordon_ | Wizzup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_local_winds |
| 13:08.05 | freemangordon_ | choose a one from here |
| 13:08.17 | Wizzup | freemangordon_: from the tazmanian devil :) |
| 13:08.30 | KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroshi |
| 13:08.31 | freemangordon_ | yes, yes |
| 13:08.43 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: Wizzup doesn't like japanese |
| 13:08.59 | freemangordon_ | ok, what about Leste |
| 13:09.18 | Wizzup | Wreckhouse ? ;p |
| 13:10.09 | freemangordon_ | or Solano. This is sunglasses as well, but |
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| 13:10.17 | parazyd | bayamo |
| 13:10.43 | freemangordon_ | too "latino" |
| 13:10.44 | parazyd | maemo bayamo sounds crap though |
| 13:10.48 | freemangordon_ | yeah |
| 13:10.53 | parazyd | lmao |
| 13:11.14 | freemangordon_ | hmm, Leste likes me more and more |
| 13:11.21 | freemangordon_ | oops |
| 13:11.24 | Wizzup | lodos? |
| 13:11.31 | Wizzup | 15:10 < parazyd> maemo bayamo sounds crap though |
| 13:11.33 | Wizzup | hahahaha |
| 13:11.56 | freemangordon_ | i was thinking about Lodos as well, but I think Maemo Leste sounds better |
| 13:12.08 | Wizzup | fine with either. |
| 13:12.20 | Wizzup | and this will match with jessie? |
| 13:12.28 | freemangordon_ | yes |
| 13:12.38 | freemangordon_ | oh, wait |
| 13:12.39 | Wizzup | maybe elephanta next :) |
| 13:12.53 | freemangordon_ | no, no, this will match whatever we call release |
| 13:12.59 | Wizzup | hmm |
| 13:13.04 | freemangordon_ | I think we'll want to rebase to ascii first |
| 13:13.22 | sicelo | i'm liking 'leste' too |
| 13:13.22 | freemangordon_ | before calling it a day |
| 13:13.34 | freemangordon_ | parazyd: ^^^ |
| 13:13.40 | parazyd | so, maemo-leste ? |
| 13:13.47 | freemangordon_ | mhm |
| 13:13.49 | parazyd | done |
| 13:13.52 | sicelo | there's Maestro as well - which seems nicely related to maemo |
| 13:14.11 | parazyd | https://github.com/maemo-leste |
| 13:14.21 | freemangordon_ | but, is debit cards brand :) |
| 13:14.43 | sicelo | ah yes :) |
| 13:14.54 | freemangordon_ | ok, great, everybody's happy |
| 13:15.27 | KotCzarny | leste? lol |
| 13:15.31 | KotCzarny | maemo-les |
| 13:15.36 | Wizzup | almost everybodt |
| 13:15.37 | Wizzup | :P |
| 13:15.39 | KotCzarny | now for girls! |
| 13:15.41 | Wizzup | let's go |
| 13:15.49 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: that's why I went for kawai initially |
| 13:15.50 | Wizzup | lol |
| 13:15.53 | Wizzup | (with one i) |
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| 13:27.13 | KotCzarny | i liked kona because it was short to write |
| 13:27.14 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 13:36.42 | Wizzup | my second fav was bayamo |
| 13:36.49 | Wizzup | maemo-bayamo just sounds amazing |
| 13:36.55 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 13:37.04 | KotCzarny | bay amore mio ? |
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| 13:55.51 | parazyd | Wizzup: lmao @ bayamo |
| 13:56.08 | Vajb | myrsky, if u prefer finnish |
| 13:56.35 | Vajb | not the name of wind perse, but means storm |
| 13:58.29 | KotCzarny | so its los angeles angels? ;) |
| 13:58.40 | KotCzarny | wiatr, burza, huragan |
| 13:58.48 | KotCzarny | local wind related names |
| 13:58.52 | KotCzarny | halny |
| 13:59.03 | KotCzarny | orkan |
| 13:59.04 | Wizzup | we ... already picked a name and made a github orga |
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| 14:04.42 | Vajb | so it'll be bayamo? |
| 14:04.54 | parazyd | https://github.com/maemo-leste |
| 14:06.29 | Wizzup | Vajb: :D |
| 14:06.34 | Wizzup | no, it's not bayamo |
| 14:06.37 | Wizzup | laughing irl |
| 14:07.00 | KotCzarny | lesbyamo |
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| 14:54.48 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 15:35.47 | Vajb | bayamaemo would have been cool name |
| 15:36.07 | Vajb | bajamaja is kind of toilet they use at the festival =) |
| 15:37.01 | Vajb | btw purism made its fiance mark and announced to be delivering devices at 2019 |
| 15:37.28 | Vajb | will be interesting device for Maemo |
| 15:37.41 | Vajb | if they keep the opennes they claim |
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| 18:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | They claim what? |
| 18:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | their Librem13 can't even get schematics |
| 18:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so how are they really more open than any (unlocked) android phone? |
| 18:17.22 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: on their web site they claim that basically any os can be run on their device |
| 18:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? See above |
| 18:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think N900 is more open |
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| 18:18.24 | Vajb | beats my current knowledge to be honest |
| 18:18.34 | Vajb | im a victim of marketing :) |
| 18:19.10 | Vajb | but i think they claim their modem and cpu to be separate |
| 18:21.51 | Wizzup | the droid4 has that too |
| 18:22.02 | freemangordon_ | Vajb: what about GPU drivers? |
| 18:22.17 | Wizzup | vivante |
| 18:22.23 | freemangordon_ | FOSS? |
| 18:22.28 | Wizzup | etnaviv driver |
| 18:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yes they claim that but you couln't really check thanks to lack of any schematics |
| 18:23.18 | Vajb | freemangordon_: no idea, can't recall anything about that |
| 18:23.23 | freemangordon_ | Wizzup: but that's REed, right? |
| 18:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't doubt the modem is separate but... |
| 18:24.14 | Wizzup | yes |
| 18:24.15 | Vajb | well let them make first devices and then we dig deep to see what they are about? |
| 18:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. yesterday I tried helping them with battery charging issues in coreboot - they couldn't even tell me which chip is doing the battery management |
| 18:24.23 | Wizzup | they are going to to use i.mx afaik |
| 18:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | they do RE of ACPI |
| 18:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | the i.MX8 SoC they plan to use *might* eventually get public docs... or not. Up to NXP |
| 18:25.23 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: wait, what? they don;t know BM chip? |
| 18:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not |
| 18:25.56 | freemangordon_ | could it be they just use some reference chinese board? |
| 18:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Intel Reference design covered with NDA |
| 18:26.34 | freemangordon_ | ah |
| 18:26.56 | freemangordon_ | anyway, /me is back to REing connui |
| 18:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so for Librem13 at least, the only "open" think is the FOSS stuff they upstream. And when that's broken or orphaned, we are with librem13 exactly where we are with any other usual Android hardware that got rooted or sold unlocked |
| 18:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sailfish anybody? "sorry, you can't reflash it, you need to send it in" |
| 19:01.22 | Vajb | well i could argue that, if they claim that any os could be run. Then it must be user flashable |
| 19:01.53 | Vajb | but we'll see |
| 19:02.27 | Vajb | and i wont be buying it. It misses one key feature. |
| 19:03.37 | xy2_ | kb? |
| 19:03.57 | Vajb | xy2_: ! |
| 19:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not saying they plan to not allow flashing. I just referred to Sailfish to show how you can fsck up on a hw level and still claim you're "open" |
| 19:04.52 | Vajb | calm down doc. It'll be two years since they deliver :) |
| 19:05.28 | Vajb | hmm i think i wanted to say untill |
| 19:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, two years to nourish false expectations and fail on hw design level |
| 19:06.47 | Vajb | it is a plan! |
| 19:06.51 | Vajb | ;) |
| 19:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | they have a damn cute marketing team, that's really the most remarkable thing about it |
| 19:07.55 | Vajb | haha i love the part where they compare their product to android and ios |
| 19:08.39 | Vajb | they should add "consumer can buy it from any store" |
| 19:09.22 | KotCzarny | worldwide guarantee? |
| 19:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I love¡ the part where they say >>A fully standards-based freedom-oriented system, based on Debian and many other upstream projects, has never been done beforeâwe will be the first to seriously attempt this.<< -- simply neglecting OpenMoko, Maemom Sailfish and others |
| 19:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly paper thin miss from a lie |
| 19:11.27 | M4rtinK | I've also heard they are very "marketing based" |
| 19:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the most sad thing in all this is: FSF grant RYF certification to their Librem13 et al |
| 19:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, N900 is more "RYF" than Librem13 |
| 19:13.48 | Vajb | u just lost a n00b in me. |
| 19:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | google "respects your freedom" FSF certification |
| 19:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom |
| 19:14.51 | Vajb | ah |
| 19:15.34 | Vajb | those hw switches seem pretty convincing |
| 19:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 19:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | as I said, they have a damn good marketing team |
| 19:17.27 | M4rtinK | I've heard they are just GPIO |
| 19:17.30 | M4rtinK | on their laptops |
| 19:17.40 | M4rtinK | not really powering of anything |
| 19:18.07 | Vajb | things that go "click" |
| 19:19.10 | Vajb | at least header of the fsf page sounds good, but i must get some sleep |
| 19:19.36 | Vajb | nite, and c u before 2019 |
| 19:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900/2017-10-13#20317932; |
| 19:21.10 | M4rtinK | I dont have that personally just heard that |
| 19:21.21 | M4rtinK | have not seen that personally |
| 19:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: no, they have a lengthy web page explaining "how smart to have but difficult to implement it is to add two DPDT switches and 4 wires" |
| 19:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be embarrassed as EE when somebody would make such a fuss about the simplest thing in electrics (not even electronics) you could think of |
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| 19:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, badass marketing |
| 19:25.43 | M4rtinK | I'm kinda sorry for all the people backing them |
| 19:25.51 | M4rtinK | who get fooled by the marketing |
| 19:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 19:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | they even almost got me |
| 19:31.08 | M4rtinK | it would be really nice if it was all true |
| 19:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | just yesterday I learned about the schematics issue in their librem13 which basically forbids community to contribute to e.g coreboot in a meaningful way |
| 19:33.16 | M4rtinK | no t nice |
| 19:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is about as bad as what nokia did, until noia leaked the schematics which aiui Purism never will/can do |
| 19:33.33 | M4rtinK | & has potential to further ruin the image of mobile Linux/FOOS effort |
| 19:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes :-/ |
| 19:34.03 | M4rtinK | also the hardware looks ugly |
| 19:34.10 | M4rtinK | eq. like a MacBook |
| 19:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not something to object/discuss I'd think. That's really just a question of personal preferences |
| 19:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | them perpetuating to diminish/heglect all previous open linux projects is probably the worst thing they do by their campaign to FOSS |
| 19:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | too few users who notice it and perveive it as dishonest, too many who really buy that "we're the very first to ever try" |
| 19:40.00 | M4rtinK | yeah, that's just rude |
| 19:40.11 | M4rtinK | without the other projects they would not even have a chance now |
| 19:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
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| 21:18.24 | jonwil | YES YES YES, my N900 is alive! |
| 21:19.05 | jonwil | For the first time since this whole saga began, I have the scrolling dots |
| 21:19.52 | jonwil | Got the N900 to appear in Flasher and imminently flashed rootfs/Fiasco (no combined). So now unless something has gone wrong, I should be able to recover (and restore) the backupmenu backup I made earlier |
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| 21:23.23 | jonwil | before I do anything though I am going to copy the backupmenu backup off the phone |
| 21:24.11 | jonwil | I am now convinced that the only way to truly kill a N900 is a hardware failure (genuinely broken USB, cellular modem failure, whatever) |
| 21:34.31 | sicelo | :-) |
| 21:34.36 | sicelo | welcome back!!! |
| 21:35.12 | jonwil | Now I am installing backupmenu whereupon I will reboot and restore my BM backups which will restore my phone to what it was before I installed CSSU |
| 21:35.33 | jonwil | Then I will carefully install CSSU-testing |
| 21:35.44 | jonwil | and figure out very carefully what packages to install on top of that |
| 21:36.37 | jonwil | I have copied the BM backups of the phone along with everything else visible in "mass storage mode" |
| 21:39.53 | KotCzarny | i still think uboot should check for some key before booting default config |
| 21:40.15 | KotCzarny | then if key is pressed to boot into rescueos or the like |
| 21:41.12 | jonwil | I never had uboot installed |
| 21:41.14 | jonwil | just nolo |
| 21:41.19 | jonwil | so that doesn't factor into it |
| 21:43.44 | KotCzarny | but it would be nice for unbreaking rootfs |
| 21:44.04 | KotCzarny | maybe even add flash image for internal reflash |
| 21:44.25 | sicelo | wouldn't that be too much for u-boot .. remember we're limited to 2MB iirc |
| 21:45.09 | KotCzarny | unless you repartition emmc and keep it that way |
| 21:45.21 | KotCzarny | or maybe detect 'restore sdcard' inserted |
| 21:45.29 | KotCzarny | then load things from there |
| 21:46.27 | jonwil | The good news is that I am down $70 for the temporary crap phone and $45 for the external charger. Much cheaper than the cost of any new-to-me device with the desired feature set (likely including another N900) |
| 21:47.19 | sicelo | KotCzarny: you can do that with bootmenu+uboot |
| 21:47.36 | jonwil | I think I will keep my SIM in the temp crap phone until I have finished restoring my old phone though |
| 21:47.44 | jonwil | That way I can make calls while CSSU installs etc |
| 21:47.52 | sicelo | jonwil: should look at rooting that android :-) |
| 21:48.09 | sicelo | won't nearly be as good as the N900, but will sure suck less |
| 21:48.09 | jonwil | its got a locked bootloader I believe |
| 21:48.13 | sicelo | uh oh |
| 21:48.20 | jonwil | plus there is no reason to proceed with it now that my N900 is back up |
| 21:49.03 | KotCzarny | jonwil: universal li-ion charger would surely be handy |
| 21:49.08 | jonwil | Yep, I do have that now |
| 21:49.10 | jonwil | and it is handy |
| 21:49.29 | KotCzarny | pity you didnt order it in the past from china |
| 21:49.43 | KotCzarny | would be few times cheaper and might be better |
| 21:49.50 | KotCzarny | hindsight 20/29 |
| 21:49.52 | KotCzarny | 20/20 |
| 21:51.00 | jonwil | I have 3 batteries, one is the original (with the Nokia hologram sticker) which is sitting in the charger right now, one looks like the Nokia but without the hologram (possibly knock-off) and is sitting next to the charger waiting to be charged and the third is a 3rd party I bought from a "we sell batteries for everything" store and that's in my N900 right now |
| 21:51.17 | KotCzarny | there were original nokia batteries without holo |
| 21:51.17 | jonwil | I left it charging overnight on the external and when I got up the external said it was full |
| 21:51.55 | KotCzarny | but remember, if you are going to store batteries outside the device, discharge to ~40% |
| 21:52.09 | jonwil | why do that? |
| 21:52.16 | KotCzarny | li-ion thing |
| 21:52.16 | jonwil | What's wrong with storing charged batteries loose? |
| 21:52.38 | KotCzarny | storing empty/100% full makes them deteriorate faster |
| 21:54.06 | KotCzarny | also, keep them cool |
| 21:54.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:54.37 | jonwil | Now restoring backupmenu backup hopefully |
| 21:56.38 | jonwil | restored rootfs, now restoring optfs |
| 21:56.51 | jonwil | Although since my clock is wrong its telling me "xyz timestamp is in the future" |
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| 22:00.24 | jonwil | optfs restore complete |
| 22:00.33 | jonwil | lets hope this has worked |
| 22:00.54 | jonwil | now rebooting back to hopefully what I had before I started this mess |
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| 22:05.35 | jonwil | Now to install cssu-t and go from there |
| 22:29.07 | sicelo | ~jr-tools |
| 22:29.07 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 22:31.43 | Maxdamantus | 10:39:53 < KotCzarny> i still think uboot should check for some key before booting default config |
| 22:31.55 | Maxdamantus | You would just have a different default config that does that. |
| 22:32.36 | KotCzarny | i know, i have implemented it in h3droid |
| 22:32.53 | KotCzarny | still too lazy to apply it onto n900 |
| 22:33.56 | Maxdamantus | I suspect the default configuration for N900 is probably already sufficient for that. |
| 22:34.40 | Maxdamantus | Since it goes through the partitions it can read looking for "boot.scr" or something. |
| 22:35.28 | Maxdamantus | My boot.scr causes it to always show pali's boot menu. |
| 22:36.36 | sicelo | hence my bootmenu comment earlier ... you can boot anything, even rescueOS |
| 22:36.55 | KotCzarny | but i meant it to be standard feature |
| 22:37.25 | Maxdamantus | So the N900 uboot images all have rescueOS inside them? |
| 22:37.46 | sicelo | Maxdamantus: no. |
| 22:37.46 | KotCzarny | and maybe fiasco images too |
| 22:38.13 | Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: the uboot image is meant to fit inside the "kernel" flash partition. |
| 22:38.24 | Maxdamantus | which is something like 4MB, dunno. |
| 22:38.36 | KotCzarny | that's why i commented that it could look for data on sdcard |
| 22:38.44 | KotCzarny | and if found, to trigger rescue menu |
| 22:38.53 | Maxdamantus | Right, it already does that, except it looks for a "boot.scr", which is more powerful. |
| 22:39.14 | Maxdamantus | because the boot.scr can just include the commands to boot anything. |
| 22:39.33 | sicelo | KotCzarny should just try it :) |
| 22:39.48 | KotCzarny | so we need nice prepared sdcard image that would allow reflash/rescueos when inserted |
| 22:39.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:39.53 | Maxdamantus | or it can include the commands to populate and show the boot menu. |
| 22:40.07 | Maxdamantus | s/the // |
| 22:40.11 | jonwil | Note to self: NEVER run apt-get upgrade on an N900, especially if you have extras-devel or cssu-devel in your repo list |
| 22:40.16 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 22:40.24 | KotCzarny | jonwil, doing newbie flops? |
| 22:40.41 | KotCzarny | it's standard warning to every new n900 owner we give here |
| 22:41.10 | jonwil | Its often the "power users" who forget the basics |
| 22:41.25 | jonwil | because they think they know better and ignore or forget the "newbie" advice |
| 22:41.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 22:41.53 | sicelo | g'nite all o/ |
| 22:41.58 | KotCzarny | nite nite |
| 22:42.08 | Maxdamantus | I think the main thing to do is encourage people to actually use uboot, since if you have one of the normal N900 uboot images that are floating around, you should be able to rescue your device regardless of whether your USB port works, etc |
| 22:42.18 | Maxdamantus | (just as long as you have a charged battery) |
| 22:42.28 | Maxdamantus | (and an SD card) |
| 22:42.44 | jonwil | Not having an SD card is part of my problem. |
| 22:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, discharging to 40% is a tad over the top. 80% will do just fine |
| 22:43.55 | jonwil | Anyone want to suggest what sort of memory card I should be looking for for the N900? |
| 22:44.10 | KotCzarny | jonwil, what are you going to store on sdcard? |
| 22:44.17 | KotCzarny | chroot or just media? |
| 22:44.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically just go ~0.2V below max voltage, which would be like 4.0V, to store cel, then |
| 22:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: congrats |
| 22:44.37 | jonwil | I want one to store backups from backupmenu |
| 22:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | any SD will do |
| 22:44.46 | jonwil | and also other general stuff |
| 22:44.48 | KotCzarny | then any reliable one will do |
| 22:44.55 | KotCzarny | beware kingstones/nonames/fakes |
| 22:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 22:45.16 | jonwil | Would any of these work? which of these should I buy https://www.jbhifi.com.au/phones/phone-storage/ |
| 22:45.35 | jonwil | Guessing either of the first 2 in the list would be fine |
| 22:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | forget EXTREME, waste of money |
| 22:45.46 | Maxdamantus | jonwil: all of them would work. |
| 22:46.05 | jonwil | I figure the $14.95 one should be more than enough |
| 22:46.13 | jonwil | What size is internal emmc on N900 again? |
| 22:46.18 | KotCzarny | the more, the merrier |
| 22:46.18 | Maxdamantus | 32 GB |
| 22:46.26 | KotCzarny | 32gb is nicer than 16 |
| 22:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | eMMC 32 |
| 22:46.40 | Maxdamantus | has a 128 GB SD card. |
| 22:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~28 available |
| 22:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | got himself a 128GB uSD, just because so many of his music is FLAC |
| 22:49.24 | Wizzup | :) |
| 22:51.24 | KotCzarny | likes module music |
| 22:51.36 | jonwil | Of course now I need to figure out how to get my SIM card to fit in N900 again since I had to punch it out to smaller size for the temp crap phone. |
| 22:51.37 | KotCzarny | tunes ranging from 1kB to few megs |
| 22:51.50 | KotCzarny | jonwil, put it back into cutout |
| 22:51.51 | jonwil | Although I suspect I can just use the bit I punched it out of as adapter |
| 22:52.17 | KotCzarny | you can use some thin tape to keep it in |
| 22:54.14 | jonwil | ok, cssu-testing now installed |
| 22:55.08 | jonwil | Now to manually install those packages that are outdated in CSSU-testing where being out of date actually makes a difference |
| 23:03.55 | jonwil | ok, I screwed up and need to restore my backupmenu backup and then reinstall CSSU again. My clock is wrong and all the file dates on my system are out of whack meaning I need get my clock set right THEN install CSSU-testing again |
| 23:04.32 | jonwil | I kept getting "timestamp in the future" errors that should have been a sign I did something wrong. |
| 23:05.31 | KotCzarny | maybe BM should also save some timestamp |
| 23:05.40 | KotCzarny | to keep things sane |
| 23:05.53 | KotCzarny | and set clock if device is in the past |
| 23:07.18 | jonwil | Yeah it should keep a timestamp of when the backup was made |
| 23:07.29 | jonwil | and if the backup is newer than the phone clock, set it to whatever is set in BM |
| 23:08.14 | jonwil | I do love that its a lot harder to loose your personal user data on an N900 than it is on an iPhone or Android |
| 23:08.30 | jonwil | ok, my clock is now set correctly |
| 23:08.46 | jonwil | Meaning I can restore my BM backup again and get no errors I hope |
| 23:09.01 | jonwil | Then in goes CSSU-testing |
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| 23:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't even worry about timestamps at all |
| 23:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | orjust: man tar |
| 23:40.19 | jonwil | well my phone is up with the correct clock and BM restored with no errors |
| 23:40.28 | jonwil | So now I just need to install CSSU-testing and we are good to move forward |
| 23:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ift did restore without errors in the first place as well, just told you *warnings* about tar restoring file mtimes that are into the future with respect to current system time |
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| 23:44.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea about apt |
| 23:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly also just warnings |
| 23:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway nobody really bothers what mtime your files have |
| 23:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/nobody/nothing/ |
| 23:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for incremental backups that are not supported by any known backup method (except rsync) on maemo |
| 23:52.58 | jonwil | Now installing cssu-enabler |
| 23:58.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you fixed the repos beforehand, seems I recal cssu-installer might blow chunks otherwise |