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| 05:09.44 | jonwil | hi |
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| 05:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
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| 05:44.17 | xes | hi... |
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| 07:49.49 | KotCzarny | no one's home, coma back later |
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| 07:55.32 | CatButts | does PalmOS and related get any love these days? |
| 07:55.52 | KotCzarny | does it work on n8x0/n900 ? |
| 07:56.07 | CatButts | very unlikely |
| 07:56.15 | KotCzarny | then no |
| 07:57.08 | CatButts | Palm and Maemo are the two platforms that I look kindly to |
| 07:57.24 | CatButts | Maybe older Windows Mobile if I pull some hairs :P |
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| 07:58.35 | CatButts | https://gizmodo.com/5424090/run-palm-os-garnet-vm-on-your-nokia-n900 |
| 07:58.41 | CatButts | does this count? |
| 07:58.45 | CatButts | :p |
| 08:00.32 | KotCzarny | kinda |
| 08:00.36 | KotCzarny | as long it's usable |
| 08:00.51 | KotCzarny | and doesnt eat battery too much |
| 08:02.54 | CatButts | I never really liked Android |
| 08:03.25 | CatButts | my main gripe is the capacitive touchscreen setting the standard for UI design |
| 08:03.42 | CatButts | no stylus smaller than a meat sausage |
| 08:03.47 | CatButts | finger |
| 08:04.09 | KotCzarny | on the plus side you can control it with your willy |
| 08:04.20 | KotCzarny | as long its not smaller than sausage :P |
| 08:04.27 | CatButts | hehe |
| 08:05.01 | CatButts | I remember something along those lines involving iphone's fingerprint lock |
| 08:15.17 | jonwil | My god getting anything Android that is even remotely close to non-sucky is impossible without spending a fortune... |
| 08:15.42 | jonwil | Looking in the phone store today all the Android phones worth thinking about as a permanent replacement (e.g. Samsung Galaxy) cost over $1k |
| 08:15.57 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 08:16.07 | KotCzarny | jonwil, i can look for used n900 here |
| 08:16.20 | KotCzarny | should fit in 30-50usd |
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| 08:21.49 | jonwil | The biggest problem I have with anything overseas is that I have had bad issues with PayPal in the past and refuse to use it for anything. |
| 08:21.59 | jonwil | So finding one that I can pay for without using PayPal is hard |
| 08:22.12 | KotCzarny | i can get it and send to you |
| 08:22.36 | jonwil | I am still investigating if I can find my current N900 somehow |
| 08:22.39 | jonwil | and get it working again |
| 08:22.54 | jonwil | If I could find a way to charge my batteries to full, that might allow me to do something. |
| 08:23.17 | KotCzarny | bl-5j was used in a bunch of phones |
| 08:23.22 | KotCzarny | even in some recent ashas |
| 08:25.51 | jonwil | An external charger for a BL-5J would be perfect if I could find one |
| 08:26.02 | jonwil | I know they exist, I just dont know where the hell I get one from |
| 08:26.15 | KotCzarny | any li-ion charger could do i guess |
| 08:26.21 | KotCzarny | if you are careful |
| 08:27.01 | CatButts | do these batteries come with built-in protection circuits? |
| 08:27.21 | KotCzarny | that means if pins order/size is the same you can try to hold it even if it wouldnt fit |
| 08:27.52 | CatButts | or better yet, alligator clips |
| 08:29.29 | CatButts | https://renerento.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/bl-5j-wires.jpg yup, built-in circuit |
| 08:32.39 | jonwil | I am going to try something I saw on TMO where I plug it into the wallcharger and then insert the battery and just leave it even if its bootlooping or otherwise doing something |
| 08:32.48 | jonwil | It cant make things any worse |
| 08:33.12 | jonwil | And it may well add juice to the battery somehow using the deep level nolo battery logic mentioned in the tmo post I found |
| 08:33.33 | KotCzarny | ~bootloop |
| 08:33.33 | infobot | well, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 08:33.38 | KotCzarny | talking about this one? |
| 08:33.54 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:33.57 | KotCzarny | ~flatbat |
| 08:34.01 | KotCzarny | ~flatbatt |
| 08:35.07 | KotCzarny | ~flatbatrecover |
| 08:35.07 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) |
| 08:35.10 | KotCzarny | or this one? |
| 08:35.45 | jonwil | Yeah its not going that far, I dont get amber lights at all |
| 08:36.09 | KotCzarny | what did you do to the poor thing? |
| 08:41.45 | KotCzarny | hmm, spam alert on wiki.maemo.org, anyone? |
| 08:41.47 | jonwil | The USB port may or may not be broken (i.e. some pins are making contact but other pins may not be) but regardless of that state the system is broken to the point it cant load any kernel modules and therefore cant boot whatever is on the flash at all (either normally or booting backupmenu) |
| 08:42.55 | jonwil | Best guess from what I was able to see when I did have flasher able to talk to the phone was that the kernel booted and then loaded the root FS which tried to load all the modules then the kernel said "hey module xyz is incompatible with this kernel" and couldn't load it. |
| 08:43.03 | jonwil | Then it tried to start all the userspace daemons |
| 08:43.15 | jonwil | which looked for their kernel drivers from the modules that didn't load |
| 08:43.22 | jonwil | and couldn't find them so they exited |
| 08:43.27 | jonwil | Watchdogs kicked in and tried again |
| 08:43.45 | jonwil | before kicking the phone offline since essential system processes refused to start |
| 08:45.17 | jonwil | If the USB port isn't broken and I can get a battery that's charged up to the point I can get flasher to talk to the device (ideally one that's full) then I can attempt to boot the stock maemo PR1.3 fiasco image, get the phone to start up, copy off all my data and reflash the thing. |
| 08:45.41 | jonwil | But if I cant get a battery that is charged enough or the USB port really is broken, I think my N900 is dead |
| 08:46.03 | KotCzarny | keep it, good screen is valuable spare part |
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| 08:46.15 | jonwil | The screen on the thing is scratched up |
| 08:46.20 | jonwil | i.e. its not "good" anymore |
| 08:46.23 | KotCzarny | but works? |
| 08:46.32 | jonwil | Seems to do |
| 08:46.42 | KotCzarny | and external bezel is quite easy to replace |
| 08:47.22 | jonwil | Its like there is a layer of plastic on top of the screen (not a screen protector but actually part of the screen) and that top layer has come off in a bunch of places |
| 08:47.26 | jonwil | if you know what I mean |
| 08:47.38 | jonwil | But its still worth keeping if I do end up with another N900 just because other parts may be useful. |
| 08:54.00 | KotCzarny | sixwheeledbeast: ping |
| 09:20.19 | jonwil | So my options at this point are: |
| 09:20.21 | jonwil | 1.Find someone in Brisbane (or close enough that shipping is cheap and fast, i.e. not from Europe or China or somewhere) who can get me a fully charged and 100% guaranteed to work BL-5J that doesn't cost a fortune |
| 09:20.22 | jonwil | 2.Find someone in Brisbane (or close enough that shipping is cheap and fast, i.e. not from Europe or China or somewhere) who can get me a working device (another phone or a charger) that can charge a BL-5J that doesn't cost a fortune |
| 09:20.24 | jonwil | 3.Get a new N900 somehow (again in a way that doesn't cost a fortune, doesn't mean waiting weeks/months for shipping from Europe and doesn't mean people on here spending their own hard-earned money to buy a phone on my behalf and then more on top of that on fast shipping to Oz plus whatever Customs decides they want me to pay in fees/taxes/etc when it does get here assuming the increased... |
| 09:20.25 | jonwil | ...regulations on shipping of Li-Ion batteries dont get in the way) and then maybe using the fully charged battery from the new one to see if my USB port on the old one works or not |
| 09:20.26 | jonwil | or 4.Buying some other device (either from a local phone shop or from a suitable online retailer) and moving to an OS and platform that isn't stuck using cryptography that's more than 10 years old the access the web... |
| 09:25.22 | KotCzarny | wish you luck upgrading any droid that vendor isnt supporting longterm |
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| 09:32.22 | jonwil | If I did go to Android I would go for one that has a 100% unlocked firmware and can be totally reflashed with whatever I want, that has a vibrant dev community over on xda-developers or similar and has solid support from one of the alternative ROM options out there. |
| 09:32.59 | jonwil | And I would not buy it from any carrier-run store, I would go for a generic non-carrier version to avoid any extra bloatware or locks the carrier may have wanted |
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| 09:33.23 | jonwil | Buying something generic also may cost less than the outright no-contact, phone-is-mine-forever price the carrier options would want me to pay. |
| 09:33.52 | KotCzarny | i often go for used ones, because i dont need current fluff |
| 09:34.21 | KotCzarny | and after a week or two they usually stop being used for anything else than phone/im/camera |
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| 09:53.26 | jonwil | I used my N900 a lot for web browsing and such |
| 09:56.56 | jonwil | I dont plan to use my current temp phone for anything beyond calls and SMS and clock/time for the most part because I dont want to have to figure out all the crap Alcatel and Vodafone did to the UI, because I dont want to give anyone who might have access to whatever my phone is doing anything remotely private or sensitive and because I dont want to have to set up accounts and other crap. |
| 09:57.12 | jonwil | Or give the thing any kind of access to my existing Google accounts |
| 10:03.00 | KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 121M Dec 30 2012 plasma_theme_Amarok-Mockup.data |
| 10:03.00 | KotCzarny | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33M Dec 30 2012 plasma_theme_Amarok-Mockup.index |
| 10:03.02 | KotCzarny | what? |
| 10:24.11 | sixwheeledbeast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.51 | KotCzarny | swb: spam alert on wiki |
| 10:24.55 | sixwheeledbeast | oh spam on wmo, I'll check been afk for a few days |
| 10:25.01 | KotCzarny | kk |
| 10:25.07 | sixwheeledbeast | I normally zap it daily |
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| 13:33.48 | sunshavi | CatButts: palm works on n900 |
| 13:40.13 | CatButts | via the emu, I assume |
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