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| 05:18.30 | Vajb | what would be the command to disable vibration? I tried "stop vibrating incoming call" from "phone control wiki", but it didn't have effect. |
| 05:18.50 | KotCzarny | ~phonecontrol |
| 05:18.50 | infobot | i guess phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 05:18.56 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 05:18.57 | Vajb | my problem is libnotify which overruns even the setting from profile menu |
| 05:19.23 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it's a function that can be disabled by some rmmod |
| 05:21.01 | Vajb | no idea. I only know that DocScrutinizer05 said that it can be disabled by using alarmed. So i started to look and couldn't find a command. So i am back :) |
| 05:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | silent mode |
| 05:25.49 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: that's the exact problem. Libnotify still vibrates my phone even if i have silent mode with vibration disabled |
| 05:26.08 | freemangordon | shouldn't be |
| 05:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry U don't know what's libnotify and how it gets in here |
| 05:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I* |
| 05:26.45 | Vajb | could somebody else test it? |
| 05:26.56 | Vajb | pidgin uses it to notify user |
| 05:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, no pidgin here |
| 05:27.39 | Vajb | only way to disble vibration is via libnotify setings, but that kinda misses the point of that function.... |
| 05:27.57 | KotCzarny | i guess apps can override system settings if using hw directly instead of system |
| 05:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are libnotify settings? |
| 05:28.31 | KotCzarny | could it be that libnotify needs a patch |
| 05:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already thought along same line as KotCzarny |
| 05:28.48 | Vajb | pidgin-plugins-libnotify-configure plugin |
| 05:29.03 | freemangordon | Vajb: iiuc, freedesktop.notify functionality is provided by hildon-home via hildon-plugins-notify-sv |
| 05:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck pidgin, sorry |
| 05:29.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't touch that POS |
| 05:30.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: possibly that abomination called pidgin directly uses sysnodes |
| 05:30.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
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| 05:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, fcam did same for LED |
| 05:31.31 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: well that does not answer my question exactly :) |
| 05:31.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I doubt |
| 05:32.03 | KotCzarny | vajb, are you good in c code reading? ;) |
| 05:32.19 | Vajb | i disabled vibration from the plugin menu, but then i miss a lot of messages while on the move |
| 05:32.34 | KotCzarny | vajb, maybe it has 'run some command on notify' |
| 05:32.51 | KotCzarny | then you could try plugging in phonecontrol line |
| 05:32.59 | Vajb | KotCzarny: sure, an expert one might say. After all i've been learning typescript for four weeks already ;) |
| 05:33.29 | freemangordon | Vajb: sorry, but could you explain again what your problem is? You want to disable vibration system-wide or for pidgin notifications only or what? |
| 05:33.35 | KotCzarny | typescript is very c-like, so all you will need to catch up is some default functions |
| 05:33.54 | KotCzarny | fmg: pidging does vibrate even when phone set to 'silent' |
| 05:34.03 | freemangordon | ah, I see |
| 05:34.04 | KotCzarny | that's how i understood his problem |
| 05:34.10 | Vajb | freemangordon: i want libnotify to respect system settings |
| 05:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop talking about libnotify |
| 05:34.23 | freemangordon | Vajb: libnotify respects them, that's for sure |
| 05:34.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes, it is libnotify |
| 05:34.49 | freemangordon | that calls hildon-home through dbus |
| 05:34.55 | KotCzarny | fmg: libnotify respects system settings? |
| 05:35.04 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: ^^^ |
| 05:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but podgin lies to you |
| 05:35.20 | Vajb | then how come it does not for me? |
| 05:35.24 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/hd-notification-manager.c#L79 |
| 05:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you should not use "libnotify" when you mean "puidgin" |
| 05:35.44 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 05:35.48 | freemangordon | Vajb: what notification category is used? |
| 05:36.36 | Vajb | i don't understand the question :) |
| 05:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | see? |
| 05:37.38 | freemangordon | Vajb: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-plugin.c#L22 |
| 05:37.41 | KotCzarny | vajb, are there any configurability regarding notifications? |
| 05:37.48 | KotCzarny | or just simple 'do or dont' ? |
| 05:38.07 | KotCzarny | dbus-monitor then? |
| 05:38.07 | Vajb | i have pidgin. I use telegram. I have libnotify for pidgin. I set vibration on from libnotify settings in pidgin. I ask it to vibrate when message is received. Then it vibrates always when there is a message. No matter if i use silent profile without vibration. |
| 05:38.47 | freemangordon | Vajb: use dbus-monitor to find what parameters are passed to org.freedesktop.Notifications |
| 05:40.52 | Vajb | would "mdbus2 -l org.freedesktop.Notifications" be the right command to use? |
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| 05:41.29 | freemangordon | no idea what mdbus2 is |
| 05:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! |
| 05:41.45 | freemangordon | but as long as it monitors dbus, it should do the job |
| 05:41.51 | Vajb | ok |
| 05:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/31189121 |
| 05:42.59 | freemangordon | Vajb: see https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/test-notifications.py for how to test notifications |
| 05:43.19 | Vajb | [SIGNAL] org.freedesktop.Notifications.NotificationClosed /org/freedesktop/Notifications :1.34 |
| 05:43.21 | Vajb | ( 88 ) |
| 05:43.42 | Vajb | that is what it gives me |
| 05:44.15 | freemangordon | well, you should have a call to org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify first :) |
| 05:44.34 | Vajb | i have silent profile enabled and vibration disabled from settings menu and my phone sure is vibrating when there is a message in telegram :) |
| 05:44.43 | freemangordon | ok, got that |
| 05:45.05 | freemangordon | Vajb: read a bit about notifications on https://developer.gnome.org/notification-spec/ |
| 05:45.10 | freemangordon | but not now :) |
| 05:45.39 | freemangordon | Vajb: however, please provide the parameters of org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify DBUS call |
| 05:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | DocScrutinizer05: |
| 05:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-monitor |grep -C3 otifi *should* work |
| 05:47.20 | freemangordon | Vajb: notification category is the start of the 4th parameter - see https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/test-notifications.py#L17 |
| 05:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think mdbus -l offers a parameter for filtering |
| 05:50.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/37952339 |
| 05:50.54 | freemangordon | then it gets translated by https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-plugin.c#L22 to nsv category |
| 05:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a -A5 on grep will serve better |
| 05:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead -C3 |
| 05:53.12 | Vajb | -A5 otifi? |
| 05:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 05:53.24 | Vajb | k will try |
| 05:53.51 | Vajb | mdbus2 didn't provide anything else than what i already pasted |
| 05:54.09 | freemangordon | then use dbus-monitor |
| 05:58.24 | Vajb | doing it not, just waiting for the message to happen |
| 05:58.37 | Vajb | it now* |
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| 05:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: waiting? |
| 05:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 06:00.29 | Vajb | yes me and dbus-monitor :) |
| 06:00.35 | freemangordon | Vajb: also, you may look at https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-profile.c#L361 as well |
| 06:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think he might rather want to look into pidgin sources |
| 06:01.23 | freemangordon | or actually read the whole hildon-plugins-notify-sv code, to see how are notifications, categories, profiles etc connected |
| 06:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no? |
| 06:01.46 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that one as well, if it is going to help him find what category is used for notification |
| 06:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: Vajb is no coder |
| 06:01.57 | freemangordon | well... |
| 06:02.11 | freemangordon | not much I can do there :) |
| 06:02.37 | Vajb | DocScrutinizer05: will be, eventually! Went to school already. |
| 06:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither, except suggesting to check if everything except pidgin behaves or if it's a system wide problem |
| 06:03.20 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I can bet this is not a bug, but feature ;) |
| 06:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still could bet the damn pidgin plugin is fubar |
| 06:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like whole pidgin |
| 06:04.45 | Vajb | is it true that all the bugs are features, but all the features are not bugs? |
| 06:05.09 | bencoh | err, notifcations don't make phone vibrate |
| 06:05.27 | bencoh | you have to explicitly send a request to mce |
| 06:05.35 | freemangordon | bencoh: come on |
| 06:06.08 | bencoh | freemangordon: well, that was my conclusion last time I tried and eventually hacked the pidgin notify plugin |
| 06:06.10 | freemangordon | that request is send by hildon-plugins-notify-sv when needed |
| 06:06.28 | freemangordon | ah, you mean that pidgin calls mce? |
| 06:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 06:06.42 | freemangordon | that another story then |
| 06:06.46 | Vajb | bencoh: any plans to update the plugin in the repos? |
| 06:07.13 | freemangordon | bencoh: however, notifications may make phone vibrate |
| 06:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, by SENDING a signal to mce |
| 06:07.48 | freemangordon | no |
| 06:08.08 | freemangordon | just a second to find the code |
| 06:08.09 | bencoh | freemangordon: well, either I don't recall correctly, or my test fell in a corner case that wasn't properly handled |
| 06:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea then |
| 06:09.08 | freemangordon | bencoh: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-util.c#L18 |
| 06:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | all I know is I send vibra dbus msg explicitly in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh |
| 06:10.26 | freemangordon | you can make it vibrate via a call to org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify, but it depends on the notification type and obeys current profile |
| 06:10.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I *rhink* this call obeys silent profile |
| 06:11.16 | bencoh | meh I don't have access to my maemo clones for now |
| 06:11.19 | freemangordon | calling mce directly bypasses all this, so yeah, you might be right that pidgin notifications plugin is an ugly hack |
| 06:11.44 | bencoh | freemangordon: the question is why did they feel the need to do such a hack |
| 06:11.56 | bencoh | (ie didn't it work in the first place without calling mce) |
| 06:12.00 | freemangordon | no idea, might be a lack of knowledge? |
| 06:12.04 | bencoh | maybe |
| 06:12.58 | bencoh | Vajb: I dont really have anything ready (and can't access my code for now, which doesn't help here) |
| 06:13.07 | freemangordon | bencoh: try https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/test-notifications.py on your device, with various categories from https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-plugins-notify-sv/blob/gtk2/lib/nsv-plugin.c#L22 |
| 06:13.33 | Vajb | btw, now im wondering what "otifi" means in dbus-monitor |grep -A5 otifi? |
| 06:14.00 | freemangordon | bencoh: make sure you have vibration enabled in profile settings |
| 06:14.26 | freemangordon | Vajb: it is a part of Notifications |
| 06:14.45 | bencoh | val = (const GValue *)g_hash_table_lookup(hints, "vibra"); |
| 06:14.50 | bencoh | interesting |
| 06:14.52 | freemangordon | N-otifi-cations |
| 06:14.58 | freemangordon | bencoh: yeah, that one too |
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| 06:17.51 | freemangordon | bencoh: BTW, the link between hildon-home and above code is in https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/hildon-home/blob/master/src/hd-sv-notification-daemon.c |
| 06:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | N otifi cations |
| 06:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I meant to use N otif y |
| 06:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | n otif ication |
| 06:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | m otif ation ;-P |
| 06:20.34 | freemangordon | bencoh: is that pidgin plugin code available somewhere onlain? |
| 06:20.40 | freemangordon | *online |
| 06:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | garage? |
| 06:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | back in those days people used garage.m.o a lot |
| 06:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems that's not 'modern' anymore |
| 06:23.07 | freemangordon | github is way easier to use |
| 06:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=pidgin&Search=Suche |
| 06:24.15 | bencoh | freemangordon: apt-get source iirc |
| 06:24.29 | bencoh | and I rebased it on top of a bit newer version |
| 06:24.35 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I don't see plugins there |
| 06:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 06:24.52 | freemangordon | bencoh: do you have it on some github repo? |
| 06:25.00 | bencoh | freemangordon: I have never pushed it, no |
| 06:25.01 | freemangordon | I want to see the code of that plugin |
| 06:25.05 | freemangordon | oh, ok |
| 06:25.21 | bencoh | and muarf.org is unreachable for now |
| 06:25.35 | bencoh | (my sb vm is hosted on it) |
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| 06:26.42 | freemangordon | do you have an idea how is package called? |
| 06:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway WRONG file but still at least a sourcefile: https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/pidgin/trunk/pidgin/add-icons-to-control |
| 06:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw startpage is down |
| 06:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, was temporary |
| 06:28.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iiuc plugins are not part of pidgin itself |
| 06:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not, ye |
| 06:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/pidgin/trunk/pidgin/patches/ |
| 06:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | now for something possibly more useful: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Desktop_notifications |
| 06:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | might at least give away the package name |
| 06:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or hint to it |
| 06:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=pidgin-plugin+libnotify+maemo |
| 06:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | libnotify-dev (v. 0.4.4-2) libnotify1 (v. 0.4.4-2) from http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=123 |
| 06:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | generic: http://gaim-libnotify.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:38.03 | bencoh | freemangordon: pidgin-libnotify iirc |
| 06:38.27 | bencoh | (s/iirc/assuming Vajb is referring to this one) |
| 06:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>This plugin adds a libnotify interface to pidgin Version 0.13 (2007-06-30): rename to pidgin-libnotify<< |
| 06:41.16 | freemangordon | sorry, have to run to the office, bbl |
| 06:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gaim/ |
| 06:45.21 | Vajb | yes that is the one. Got lots of info from dbus-monitor. Including messages. What info i need to provide from it? |
| 06:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/gaim kibgaim/notify.c ? |
| 06:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or libgaim/plugins/*whatever* ? |
| 06:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: which version is pidgin? |
| 06:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 06:53.35 | infobot | somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 06:54.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pidgin-libnotify/ |
| 06:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/pidgin-libnotify/0.14.2-3/ |
| 06:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | buold-depends: mce-dev |
| 06:56.51 | Vajb | pidgin: |
| 06:56.51 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.48 | Vajb | pidgin-libnotify: |
| 06:57.49 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: seems http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/p/pidgin-libnotify/pidgin-libnotify_0.14.2.orig.tar.gz src/pidgin-libnotify.c |
| 06:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *diff* |
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| 06:59.33 | Vajb | https://pastebin.com/raw/9jWv78dR |
| 06:59.43 | Vajb | freemangordon: ^ |
| 07:00.04 | Vajb | paste from grep otify |
| 07:00.13 | Vajb | during one received message |
| 07:01.32 | Vajb | hope this helps |
| 07:01.33 | Vajb | bbl |
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| 12:41.08 | Vajb | where does devuan store vmlinuz and initrd? |
| 12:41.49 | Vajb | i had broken memory and it messed my system so it only boots to grub |
| 12:42.23 | Vajb | i found my root file system but can't locate vmlinuz or initrd |
| 12:42.36 | Vajb | or is it saner to just reinstall? |
| 12:42.44 | KotCzarny | did you check partition 1 ? |
| 12:42.46 | Vajb | though it wont teach me anything |
| 12:44.34 | Vajb | could vmlinuz be in different partition than root filesystem? |
| 12:44.53 | Vajb | i found root system in (hd0,4) |
| 12:45.17 | Vajb | and vmlinuz-linux from (hd0,3) |
| 12:45.29 | Vajb | but no initrd.img so far |
| 12:46.43 | Vajb | in /boot i have just folder grub |
| 13:26.02 | buZz | on a x86 jessie install, i have it all in /boot |
| 13:26.38 | buZz | does anyone know, if in ascii i can still run ~newish proprietary nvidia drivers and Steam ? :) |
| 13:26.44 | buZz | replaying HL2 |
| 13:27.01 | KotCzarny | just get older laptop |
| 13:27.10 | KotCzarny | for sentimental gaming |
| 13:27.14 | buZz | eh :) |
| 13:27.24 | buZz | my workstation is a xeon with gtx1060 :P |
| 13:27.42 | buZz | and 5520x1080 resolution |
| 13:28.12 | KotCzarny | grab thinkpad t60p |
| 13:28.22 | KotCzarny | perfect for such activities |
| 13:28.25 | buZz | i have a x201 and x230 |
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| 13:28.47 | buZz | either way, no clue about the nvidia question? :) |
| 13:28.59 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 13:29.08 | buZz | maybe i should just try it out for yolo, worst case will need a reinstall |
| 13:29.12 | KotCzarny | best hw i have is ati 7870 ;) |
| 13:29.29 | buZz | i have a 6950 here catching dust |
| 13:29.36 | buZz | from when i used to mine with a pile of gpus |
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| 13:30.51 | hurrian | buZz: ah, the X201. great laptop, just don't put it on your lap ;) |
| 13:31.03 | buZz | hehe yeah, x230 is a lot better in that aspect |
| 13:31.36 | hurrian | not entirely sure what I expected though getting a full-voltage i5 in that form factor! |
| 13:32.01 | buZz | hm? its a 640LM in mine |
| 13:32.21 | hurrian | ah. I got the i5 540M in mine |
| 13:32.32 | KotCzarny | you say 6950, ho hum |
| 13:32.43 | buZz | KotCzarny: interested? i owe you anyway |
| 13:32.47 | hurrian | I have mine sitting on its Ultrabase semi-permanently, pretty much just use it to get into my desktop's IPMI |
| 13:32.51 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 13:32.58 | KotCzarny | let me check the comparisons first |
| 13:33.02 | buZz | its modded though, the fans died and i plonked 2x 80mm fans on it with zipties |
| 13:33.15 | KotCzarny | seems 7870 is faster |
| 13:33.16 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 13:33.19 | buZz | cant be controlled now, but you could totally remod it |
| 13:33.28 | buZz | heh, np, i have more dust for it to collect ;) |
| 13:33.48 | KotCzarny | yeah, i have 5770 catching dust too |
| 13:33.56 | KotCzarny | pity cant run any of them together |
| 13:34.06 | buZz | you can, just not in SLI :) |
| 13:34.15 | KotCzarny | that's what i meant |
| 13:34.24 | buZz | ^_^ just get more monitors |
| 13:34.32 | KotCzarny | and more hands/eyes ? :P |
| 13:34.36 | buZz | yez |
| 13:34.39 | buZz | grow em :D |
| 13:34.59 | buZz | i maxed out this workstation, need to get upgrades |
| 13:35.12 | buZz | i'm thinking ; xeon e5 26xx v4 and http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X10DAL-i.cfm |
| 13:35.35 | buZz | should get me 8+ cores and higher max ram than i will ever be able to hit :) |
| 13:36.07 | buZz | and just ~0.3 btc for motherboard + cpu , without ram |
| 13:37.26 | KotCzarny | i should get me better compilation station |
| 13:37.32 | hurrian | buZz: Go wide ;) http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X10DAi.cfm |
| 13:38.11 | buZz | hurrian: whats the benefit beside higher max ram? :) |
| 13:38.42 | hurrian | More space taken up inside the cavernous case required to house an EATX machine! |
| 13:38.50 | buZz | lol |
| 13:38.56 | hurrian | I'm using a dual LGA1366 board... with 18 DIMM slots |
| 13:39.18 | buZz | i wanna avoid E- (and EE-) ATX |
| 13:39.24 | hurrian | Got 18 * 16GB RDIMMs off eBay -> fun |
| 13:39.39 | buZz | registered? |
| 13:39.42 | hurrian | yep |
| 13:39.43 | buZz | nice and warm :D |
| 13:39.56 | hurrian | the machine takes around 5 minutes to do the memory training |
| 13:39.58 | buZz | oh wait, no, confusing it for FBDIMM |
| 13:40.44 | hurrian | still warm, board's environment sensors say that the DIMMs are running 15C above ambient |
| 13:41.03 | buZz | :) |
| 13:41.07 | hurrian | so I had to add a Spot Cool-type fan to get the air moving |
| 13:42.48 | buZz | oh wait, i thought this was #devuan , lol |
| 13:42.57 | buZz | ^_^ |
| 13:44.27 | KotCzarny | is there a difference? |
| 13:45.20 | buZz | hehe :P well for some ;) |
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| 15:14.01 | sicelo | i'll bring it to the attention of the others :-) |
| 15:14.13 | sicelo | backscroll fail sorry |
| 15:24.02 | freemangordon | Vajb: |
| 15:24.08 | freemangordon | if (purple_prefs_get_bool ("/plugins/gtk/libnotify/vibrate")) |
| 15:25.21 | freemangordon | Vajb: unfortunately that pidgin plugin uses mce directly to control vibra |
| 15:25.37 | freemangordon | but, it seems it can be disabled, along with LED notification |
| 15:25.37 | KotCzarny | ping the maintainer? |
| 15:25.46 | KotCzarny | otherwise send to limbo for fixes? |
| 15:26.38 | freemangordon | Naikel Aparicio <naikel@gmail.com> Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:47:13 -0700 |
| 15:26.48 | freemangordon | good luck with that |
| 15:27.10 | KotCzarny | is there fremantle-fixes-team ? |
| 15:27.17 | freemangordon | no idea |
| 15:28.28 | freemangordon | Vajb: however, it sees you should be able to disable vibra in pidgin preferences (or plugin preferences) |
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| 16:00.27 | sicelo | or Vajb should take over maintainership :-) |
| 16:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: shoulfn't MCE disable vibra in silent mode? or rather, should we teach it to act like this? |
| 16:04.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I don;t think so, it is not mce to decide about profiles |
| 16:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, obviously not, but maybe mce can learn a "permanently disabled" mode for resources, and some optional app would send the necessary signals/msgs |
| 16:07.13 | freemangordon | why shall we do that, after all if some stupid program wants access to vibra, it can reach it through sysfs and we can;t stop it |
| 16:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, how's that relevant? |
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| 16:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the question is rather: is there a canonical way to play a MCE vib pattern that obeys profile settings |
| 16:09.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: maybe I can't understand your idea |
| 16:09.36 | freemangordon | ah |
| 16:09.57 | freemangordon | but, mce is just an executor |
| 16:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and aiui it receives all commands re vibra directly from the apps, no? |
| 16:11.01 | freemangordon | well, it is passed through dbus, but we can assume it is the same |
| 16:11.10 | freemangordon | so yes |
| 16:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | so there's missing the global "killswitch" for vibra |
| 16:11.44 | freemangordon | checks |
| 16:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still think my xchat vibra is "muted" in silent mode ->> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh - need to re-check that |
| 16:14.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2/mce/blob/gtk2/modules/vibrator.c#L454 |
| 16:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd *expect* it to work like that, at least |
| 16:14.20 | freemangordon | this is the only condition I see |
| 16:14.36 | freemangordon | so yeah, no vibra_lill_switch |
| 16:14.46 | freemangordon | *vibra_kill_switch |
| 16:15.02 | freemangordon | however, one can alwasy make vibra sysfs path read-only |
| 16:15.10 | freemangordon | a kind of a hack, but still |
| 16:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, that's a very funny special check |
| 16:15.28 | freemangordon | but deffinitely makes sense |
| 16:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but we could easily augment that so it also checks for silent mode |
| 16:16.18 | freemangordon | you can have active vibra in silent mode |
| 16:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's that dedicated "[_] vibrator" field in profiles settings, I'd expect that to work globally, not only for notifications |
| 16:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | architecture/design flaw |
| 16:17.38 | freemangordon | I see your point, but still think this is app problem, not system |
| 16:18.19 | freemangordon | also, the application in question has setting to disable vibra |
| 16:18.50 | freemangordon | also, imagine we want to urgently get user's attention |
| 16:19.03 | freemangordon | overheat, for example or battery critical, or... |
| 16:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a system architecture problem, system doesn't provide a globally kill-able vibra invokation method aiui. Requiring every app to do check for a system global flag to decuide if to mute vibra is no good design |
| 16:19.28 | freemangordon | applications are not supposed to call mce directly |
| 16:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | then what IS the canonical vibra trigger method? |
| 16:20.42 | freemangordon | no such thing, you should create notification and that will obey profile settings |
| 16:20.55 | freemangordon | and will enable vibra or not |
| 16:21.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, I want to activate a vibra, not pop up a requester |
| 16:22.47 | freemangordon | I am not sure I know the answer of that question :) |
| 16:23.15 | freemangordon | but, for IM client, notification is the right way IMO |
| 16:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | either or, when you say apps need to call mce directly to trigger vibra then that's the flaw. When you say they should rather invoke notifications then I miss a call that does exactly same like the direct mce call in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh and apps shpuld get fixed to use such call instead of direct mce call like I do |
| 16:24.31 | freemangordon | mce has a queue for vibra, if I read the code correctly |
| 16:24.47 | freemangordon | anyway, pizza is here, /me is going afk |
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| 16:58.13 | Vajb | freemangordon: i disabled vibra from settings, but then i started missing messages. It it is kind of pain to always go to settings to disable vibra, kinda misses the point of check box in silent profile. Well, I'll live with it. |
| 17:03.44 | KotCzarny | vajb: is there 'execute program on action' plugin/functionality? |
| 17:04.43 | sicelo | there should be |
| 17:08.02 | KotCzarny | then it should be possible to plug dbus-vibrate-on-msg |
| 17:09.17 | sicelo | actually no plugin needed |
| 17:09.40 | sicelo | it's in "Sounds" preferences ..allows you to specify a custom command |
| 17:10.54 | sicelo | oh wait .. i'm wrong. that accepts sound files. |
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| 18:23.49 | Vajb | wow i found system using older kernel than n900, tho it is from my cdrom. Knoppix is using kernel 2.6.28.4 |
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| 20:07.17 | Langoor | what media player would you recommend for maemo |
| 20:07.20 | Langoor | has to play flac :x |
| 20:08.42 | KotCzarny | oscp |
| 20:08.43 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 20:09.39 | Langoor | hmm installing it |
| 20:09.55 | KotCzarny | use the one from extras-devel |
| 20:10.26 | Langoor | I have extras and extras-devel activated |
| 20:10.32 | Langoor | so it'll get the newest from devel I think? |
| 20:10.40 | KotCzarny | most likely |
| 20:10.58 | Langoor | oh god what did I download |
| 20:11.01 | Langoor | :P |
| 20:12.05 | Langoor | well it does work |
| 20:12.12 | Langoor | is there something neater with fancy album art and all? |
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| 21:28.34 | sixwheeledbeast | Wouldn't you just need the Ogg support package? |
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| 22:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<sicelo> oh wait .. i'm wrong. that accepts sound files.)) that's exactly what I exploited in xchat |
| 22:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I adjusted "sound playing program" (OWTTE) to pint to my script http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/notify.sh |
| 22:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe the sequence of commands in that script is nonsense, should get inverted: dbus-send first, then aplay |
| 22:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | err play-sound, downside: play-sound is pretty stupid a audioplayer |
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