| 00:40.55 | blap | "great job ED you're building the most user servicable handheld in the world... and by a huge margin " |
| 00:40.58 | blap | https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fsebt3.openpandora.org%2Fpics%2FIMG_20170920_213453.jpg&hash=df448b249b9996a0044588ecc817e87a |
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| 07:24.57 | Vajb | does https secure connection from point to point? |
| 07:25.13 | KotCzarny | as long there is no main-in-the-middle, yes |
| 07:25.48 | Vajb | so it is possible to intervene? |
| 07:26.12 | KotCzarny | define 'intervene' |
| 07:26.57 | Vajb | i mean is it always point to point or man in the middle could happen without user knowing about it? |
| 07:27.33 | KotCzarny | i think if they manage to plant cert on your computer, then yes |
| 07:27.47 | Vajb | we discussed about internet protocols today and somehow i recall reading that https is not as secure as it claims to be |
| 07:28.15 | Vajb | maybe i mixed it up with something else |
| 07:28.54 | KotCzarny | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/how-secure-https-today |
| 07:29.04 | Vajb | i recaaled https being secure between ur computer and ur isp and from isp to service u r using it is pretty much up to r isp to keep it secure or not |
| 07:29.14 | KotCzarny | 2011, i bet there are more ways to sneak around |
| 07:29.59 | Vajb | im not planning to sneak into anything, but to confirm if im recalling things correctly :) |
| 07:34.38 | KotCzarny | vajb: remember that keys can be stolen, and there were cases of that already |
| 07:34.58 | KotCzarny | anyone who has the key, can decrypt and encrypt data using it |
| 07:35.09 | KotCzarny | and impersonate the key owner |
| 07:35.15 | Vajb | sure, but i was thinking more of it being broken by design |
| 07:35.42 | Vajb | but it seems i mixed up somethings, probably |
| 07:35.45 | KotCzarny | in that sense it is point-to-point |
| 07:36.22 | KotCzarny | server encrypts, client decrypts |
| 07:36.55 | KotCzarny | as long you dont accept suspicious certs (or keys not being compromised) you are safe |
| 07:37.06 | Vajb | so if any three letter acronym had access to some mainknots of internet, connection would still be secure? |
| 07:37.30 | KotCzarny | rephrase the question |
| 07:38.09 | Vajb | can't recall the correct term it seems |
| 07:38.17 | Vajb | but like u connect to ur isp |
| 07:38.27 | Vajb | ur isp connects to something else |
| 07:38.35 | KotCzarny | another issue is crypto function, if it's bad (easy to crack) |
| 07:38.53 | Vajb | and that something else connects to something even broader link over network |
| 07:39.02 | KotCzarny | vajb: your client should throw the warning in the case key not matching |
| 07:39.10 | Vajb | i see |
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| 07:39.56 | KotCzarny | that's why you should usually inspect cert data (or site owner information) |
| 07:41.01 | Vajb | yes, my friend found a webpage which had very cheap laptops and page was only five days old and proved to be hoax in further investigation |
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| 13:08.53 | parazyd | anyone experienced "Card did not respond to voltage select" in u-boot when doing sdboot? |
| 14:13.27 | blap | not i |
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| 15:00.36 | Vajb | nor me |
| 15:01.32 | Vajb | KotCzarny: i thought about this https and i guess i mixed point to point and end to end. At least this is most likely. |
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| 17:24.13 | Vajb | is it possible to disable and enable vibration via alarmed? Over ruling all other settings. |
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| 17:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yes |
| 17:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: sounds like an SDcard issue |
| 17:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: isn't there more? |
| 17:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aa wait, uBoot so no syslog, a pity |
| 17:46.34 | parazyd | no it just drops that line a bunch of times and then puts me back on the prompt |
| 17:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried another Sd card? |
| 17:46.53 | parazyd | but this entire phone might be dying though |
| 17:47.06 | parazyd | it's failing to charge sometimes and that... |
| 17:47.16 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't had time, but i intend to |
| 17:47.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you need a new devel device, eh? |
| 17:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you? |
| 17:49.09 | parazyd | not really |
| 17:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | k, toss over the dd image when I shall help with testing on another device |
| 17:50.09 | parazyd | sure |
| 17:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | though short on time really |
| 17:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a short dd and SD swap can get done |
| 17:50.45 | KotCzarny | wasnt that error with mainline and sd common? |
| 17:50.54 | KotCzarny | but dont remember what was the trick |
| 17:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall |
| 17:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | was it? |
| 17:51.19 | KotCzarny | my photographic memory says yes, but it can be wrong |
| 17:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: to the rescue! |
| 17:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ |
| 17:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | for issues with uBoot ask the uBoot expert -> Pali ;-) |
| 17:53.07 | Pali | "Card did not respond to voltage select"? |
| 17:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds strangely scary, regarding bus factor |
| 17:53.20 | Pali | make sure you have correct version of uboot |
| 17:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: could you please clone yourself? ;-P |
| 17:53.45 | Pali | if it still happen, turn phone off, remove battery and insert again |
| 17:54.00 | Pali | it is some strange thing with NOLO |
| 17:54.07 | Pali | also make sure that battery is charged |
| 17:54.17 | Pali | NOLO sometimes do nasty things when battery is low/empty |
| 17:54.32 | Pali | and does not initialize all needed HW correctly (maybe powersafe mode?) |
| 17:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 17:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | 911 & charging topmost prio |
| 17:54.55 | Pali | I saw this problem when I rebooted from mainline kernel to uboot |
| 17:55.17 | Pali | power off/on or reboot via nolo basically helped |
| 17:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need to solve this for Neo900 |
| 17:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if one thing won't be portable then that's NOLO |
| 17:57.41 | Pali | proper uboot hw init |
| 17:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything else I still think will work OOTB |
| 17:57.59 | Pali | I have not figured out whole HW init from linux kernel |
| 17:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe suboptimal but works |
| 17:58.21 | Pali | so sometimes when nolo does not init everything, uboot does not have to work |
| 17:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 17:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody should RE NOLO |
| 17:59.26 | Pali | not needed, whole init code is also in kernel |
| 17:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | just lazy RE, like "aah this is clock init, we already coevered that. So skip that, next one please" |
| 18:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | only analyze in deep when there's something strange or unexepected |
| 18:01.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, could we place a regular kernel into e.g. initrd NAND partition and use that instead of uBoot for init and loading the real kernel? |
| 18:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should check what Werner almesberger did for Openmoko Qi bootloader |
| 18:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | he hated the idea to duplicate init from kernel in bootloader |
| 18:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus we got Qi-bootloader |
| 18:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | he dispised uBoot as "yet another OS" |
| 18:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 18:07.10 | KotCzarny | uboot is quite important because it allows more than just linux |
| 18:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 18:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | like electricity |
| 18:24.44 | blap | you are all registered as info-terrorists |
| 18:25.23 | blap | so maximise your potential |
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| 19:40.26 | blap | 14,1ââ1,14â1,1 1,15â 15,14â1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 15,1â15,15 15,1â1,15â 15,1â |
| 19:40.38 | blap | 1,1 1,15â 15,14â1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 14,15â 15,1â |
| 19:40.49 | blap | 1,1 1,14ââââââââââââ1,1 1,15â 15,14â1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 14,15â 15,1â1,15ââââ1,1 |
| 19:40.59 | blap | 1,14â1,1 1,14âââ 14,15âââââââââ14,14 1,14â1,1 1,15â 15,14â1,1 15,15 1,1 15,15 1,1 15,14â15,15 15,1ââ15,15 1,15â1,1 |
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| 19:41.11 | blap | 14,14 14,1â 1,14â 14,15â15,14âââââââ âââ14,15â14,14 14,1â 1,15â15,1ââ1,14â1,1 15,1âââ âââ 1,15â15,1ââââ1,14â1,1 |
| 19:41.11 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: ^^ |
| 19:41.23 | blap | 14,14 1,14â1,1 1,14â 14,1ââââ14,14 14,15â15,0â15,15 14,14 14,1ââââ14,14 14,1â |
| 19:41.23 | buZz | i tried, but i have no chanserv access |
| 19:41.34 | blap | 14,14 1,14âââ14,1â14,14 14,15ââââââââ15,14â0,15â15,0ââ 0,15â14,15âââ14,1ââ14,15ââ14,1â14,14 14,1â |
| 19:41.40 | bencoh | err? |
| 19:41.48 | blap | 14,14 14,1â14,14 14,15â15,14â15,15 0,0 15,0âââââ0,15â0,0 14,15ââââ15,14â15,15 15,14â 14,1â 15,1â15,15 15,1â 15,15 1,14â1,1 1,14â14,15ââ1,14â1,1 14,15âââ1,14â1,1 14,15âââ1,14â1,1 1,15â15,14â15,15 15,1â1,15â1,1 |
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| 19:41.57 | bencoh | blap: please, dont do that kind of stuff here |
| 19:42.02 | blap | 14,14 14,1âââ14,14 15,14â15,15 0,0 0,15â15,0ââ â15,14â14,15â15,14â14,15ââ14,14 1,14â1,1 14,15â 15,1â 15,15 15,1ââ1,15â1,1 1,15â 15,1â1,14â15,15 15,14â1,14â15,15 1,1 15,15 1,14â15,15 1,14â1,1 |
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| 19:42.36 | sixwheeledbeast | ty |
| 19:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 19:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: you might ask generalantilles/ryan-abel to transfer GC to me, to allow me improve chanop situation in here |
| 19:46.32 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 19:46.43 | KotCzarny | that wouldnt be wise |
| 19:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: alternatively, if you can't rwch him at all (which is the root problem) yoiu may send a email from maemo.org to freenode about same issue to trabsfer GC to me |
| 19:47.34 | sixwheeledbeast | I assumed you where about as active an hour ago but I have no idea who other ops are |
| 19:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | reach* |
| 19:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody basically |
| 19:48.10 | KotCzarny | sixwheeledbeast: /msg chanserv flags #maemo |
| 19:48.21 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 19:48.23 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 19:48.25 | sixwheeledbeast | well nobody active anyway |
| 19:48.27 | KotCzarny | cant even see |
| 19:49.52 | sixwheeledbeast | GC has been an issue for maybe 5 years now |
| 19:49.58 | sixwheeledbeast | ? |
| 19:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | since migration it been generalantilles but he's MIA |
| 19:51.09 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe I am thinking of pre-migration then |
| 19:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | pre.mifg was x-fade |
| 19:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | pre-mig* |
| 19:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein |
| 19:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia's sysops |
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| 19:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw GenearlAntilles is actually online |
| 19:54.05 | sixwheeledbeast | I recall x-fade then |
| 19:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's looong afo |
| 19:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ago even |
| 19:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway a job for council to fix: transfer GC to somebody who's going to stay around and active |
| 19:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB that's NOT any of council members since those may vanish after 5 months |
| 19:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so either warfare, other techstaff, or me |
| 19:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or MC eV somebody who's not going to leave. No idea if there's such lifetime position in MC |
| 19:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not mind taking up on the duty and hand it on to somebody else _before_ I leave if that would ever happen |
| 19:59.57 | sixwheeledbeast | yes GA was HF which made sense at the time. |
| 20:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike MC, HF was permamnent entity |
| 20:01.19 | sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: what is GC? sorry i am yet to read backscroll properly |
| 20:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Broup contact |
| 20:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Group Contact |
| 20:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://freenode.net/groupreg |
| 20:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the namespace is registered and GeneralAntilles is maemo namespace Group Contact, responsible for cloaks etc, and also for fixing issues like the lack of chanops in here |
| 20:03.35 | sicelo | okay. i understand it. |
| 20:04.06 | sicelo | i'll bring it to the attention of the others :-) |
| 20:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | council sending an email from council@maemo.org to the freenode address in ^^^ with "please assign maemo Group Contact primary to $useraccount, $email" will do |
| 20:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you just ping generalantilles and ask him to do it via IRC, which would be waaaay faster given you can contact him |
| 20:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | he *is* GC, he is the one who's supposed to do the GC transfer |
| 20:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | since GC transfer is one of GCs duties |
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| 20:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | blap: please don't send ascii gfx! |
| 20:13.09 | blap | ok |
| 20:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | though your gfx are really nice... if only I had no proportional font ;-P |
| 20:14.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ascii art etc is a real nogo in public channels |
| 20:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually |
| 20:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly muses if Group Registration is an asset and thus belongs to MC's domain |
| 20:17.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't hurt they shanghaied me, eh? |
| 20:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 20:17.54 | blap | thanks DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | blap: np |
| 20:18.38 | blap | ##ascii has more |
| 20:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 20:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, this is the one channel where ascii art is highly welcome :-) |
| 20:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: I'd suggest to assign GC to warfare and/or me. Possibly warfare isn't available for that task though, I don't know. anyway should be (ex?)-techstaff |
| 20:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's mere technical/organizational managenent role, thus close to techstaff |
| 20:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | for council it's no big thing to negotiate, just aon of council's maintenance tasks you're assigning/delegating |
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| 20:32.32 | blap | germans are good |
| 20:32.35 | blap | jews are evil |
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| 20:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah you did |
| 20:38.21 | blap | jews made intel management engine |
| 20:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | blap: please stop that stuff! immediately |
| 20:39.55 | blap | ok |
| 20:40.36 | blap | why not tell you people who did it though |
| 20:40.43 | blap | :) |
| 20:41.18 | blap | you want freedom, and are too afraid to say who threatens your freedom? |
| 20:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | blap: STOP IT! last warning |
| 20:51.16 | blap | ok thanks DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | next statement that violates freenode and maemo spirit will earn you immediate ban |
| 20:51.56 | blap | fair to give warning |
| 20:52.23 | blap | i appreciate |
| 20:53.12 | blap | but let's discuss the bombing of germany |
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| 21:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: /msg chanserv access $CHANNEL list |
| 21:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea if /msg chanserv flags #maemo is supposed to work, it does for me |
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